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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: What if Adam had refused to taste the forbidden fruit?
« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2018, 01:36:13 PM »
Hey Quid,
The title of this thread started off with the 2 words "What if...".  Maybe if you had better reading comprehension skills, you could've avoided this "waste of time" and leave those of us alone who wish to discuss it. 
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Offline Quid Retribuam Domino

Re: What if Adam had refused to taste the forbidden fruit?
« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2018, 01:38:20 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 20, 2018, 01:36:13 PM
Hey Quid,
The title of this thread started off with the 2 words "What if...".  Maybe if you had better reading comprehension skills, you could've avoided this "waste of time" and leave those of us alone who wish to discuss it.

You're the one who lacks reading comprehension of logical fallacies.

That "what if..." is the mechanism of the Begging The Question fallacy, and its basis is the false notion that Eve remained without stain of sin.
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Offline Vintagewife3

Re: What if Adam had refused to taste the forbidden fruit?
« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2018, 01:39:52 PM »
Quote from: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 20, 2018, 01:33:20 PM
This OP, and many commenting on this thread, commit Begging The Question fallacy.

It ignores the fact that Adam would NOT have sinned, if Eve had not sinned first, weakened his nature and corrupted him to sin.  

Your fallacy is Eve remained without stain of sin, despite the fact she was the first person to disobey God and trust Satan.
Adam corrupted his own nature. He could have thrown the apple away, and Talked To God right away. You can’t blame just the woman for a sin you joined in on. Both of them sinned. Both of them damned us to original sin. But Adam didn’t have to go with it.
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Offline Quid Retribuam Domino

Re: What if Adam had refused to taste the forbidden fruit?
« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2018, 01:48:09 PM »
Quote from: Vintagewife3 on December 20, 2018, 01:39:52 PM
Adam corrupted his own nature. He could have thrown the apple away, and Talked To God right away. You can’t blame just the woman for a sin you joined in on. Both of them sinned. Both of them damned us to original sin. But Adam didn’t have to go with it.

Adam is guilty of choosing to sin, but Eve sinned first, thereby, corrupting his and all of nature. She further seduced him, directly, by convincing him to eat of the apple. He still had free will and chose to sin against God by disobeying Him and following the example Eve.

Adam gets the blame because he had authority over Eve, for she was created from his rib by God. He was, ultimately, responsible for the fall because he lapsed in leadership, which allowed Eve to be navigated by her own faculties and trust in Satan, but Eve was the first person to meet all conditions required to sin, thus, she was the mechanism for the fall of man and nature.
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Offline Quid Retribuam Domino

Re: What if Adam had refused to taste the forbidden fruit?
« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2018, 02:04:22 PM »
and Cera made one of the biggest fallacies I've seen on this forum. She cites two Biblical passages, which have absolutely no relevance to original sin, that show the New fulfilling the Old, then she erroneously proceeds to use that as a parallel to God somehow abrogating the truth (Ecclesiasticus 25:33) of the Old Testament with the New Testament. Truth can't be revoked, because God is Truth, and He doesn't change. He is the same in the New Testament as in the Old Testament.
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