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Offline Alex117

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What heresy or blasphemy offends God the most?
« on: December 08, 2012, 03:39:39 PM »
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  • I just had this thought:

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    What offends God more? Paganism or atheism?


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    Do they offend Him equally?


    What are your thoughts, CathInfo?


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    What heresy or blasphemy offends God the most?
    « Reply #1 on: December 08, 2012, 03:45:18 PM »
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  • That's like asking you, "Which would hurt more? Shooting you in your foot, or shooting you in your hand?"

    A different kind of "hurt", I suppose, but the difference doesn't really matter.

    Offending God in matters of Faith is equally deleterious to one's soul. The class or type of sin is the same, the malice is the same, etc.

    Now it's true that sins against the flesh are harder to repent of, so I'm not saying all sins are equal in their effects. But when you're talking about heresies or blasphemies, you're talking about a bunch of sins against God and the Faith. I'm sure they're all about the same.
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    What heresy or blasphemy offends God the most?
    « Reply #2 on: December 08, 2012, 09:16:59 PM »
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  • "Liberalism Is A Sin" quotes St. Thomas Aquinas right out of the blocks. The greatest evil of which man is capable, short of the outright hatred of God Himself ( which is not unheard of among men, especially atheists, communists, etc., although it usually applies only to the damned ) is heresy for it attacks the very root of faith, without which the one, true religion is impossible.

    And the worst heresy ( prior to St. Pius X's Pascendi ) is liberalism, which is a precursor of the even more subtle develomental machinations of Modernism.

    Taken to its utlimate logical conclusion, liberalism demands nothing of its adovcates to which atheists also may lay claim. Since one relgion is as good as another to the practicing liberal, then all are just as equally right as they are wrong.  Hence, nothing in any of them is objectively true since it is all up to the individual to pick and choose his "beliefs" for whatever sentimental, cultural or ideological reasons that may be lying around at the moment.

    By way of application, and consistent with Fr. Sarda's final comments, a great number of Nervous Ordeal Catholics, consecrated and lay alike, are deeply imbued with liberalism.  Modern "ecuмenism" is heretical on its face and has been condemed for its premises time and again by preconciliar pontiffs.  So is "relgious liberty" ( sic! ) and the "new ecclesiology", to say nothing of the "new liturgical movements" and charismatic insanity so popular in Newrome these days.

    Kinda puts a 155mm artillery round right into the whole "hermeneutic of continuity / Brave New Church" camp, doesn't it?

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    What heresy or blasphemy offends God the most?
    « Reply #3 on: December 08, 2012, 10:15:35 PM »
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  • Good question.  Good answers.  Good thread.
    'Liberalism is a Sin' is a valuable Catholic reference, and I often use quotes from same.

    I was taught that the greatest sin was blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.  I heard a sermon centered on this quote from St. Matthew last year:

    Matthew 12:32  
    And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.

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    What heresy or blasphemy offends God the most?
    « Reply #4 on: December 08, 2012, 11:00:07 PM »
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  • It is possible to be a sincere heretic who does not intend to offend God.  It is not possible, that I can see, to be a sincere blasphemer who does not intend to offend God.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    « Reply #5 on: December 10, 2012, 12:29:58 AM »
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  • Quote from: Alex117
    I just had this thought:

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    What offends God more? Paganism or atheism?


    Then I thought:

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    Do they offend Him equally?


    What are your thoughts, CathInfo?


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    What heresy or blasphemy offends God the most?
    « Reply #6 on: December 18, 2012, 02:38:51 PM »
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  • I would say the sin against the First Commandment, denying God His due by ecuмenism, relativism, "one religion is as good as another. He tells us that He is a jealous God!
    "The greatest obstacle in the apostolate of the Church is the timidity or rather the cowardice of the faithful."

    Pope St. Pius X

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    What heresy or blasphemy offends God the most?
    « Reply #7 on: December 18, 2012, 03:00:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    "...sins of the flesh are harder to repent of..."


    Matthew, I am certainly not disagreeing with you here, but for the benefit of others and myself, would you please elaborate on how the above is true?
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar


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    What heresy or blasphemy offends God the most?
    « Reply #8 on: December 18, 2012, 03:27:02 PM »
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    « Reply #9 on: December 19, 2012, 05:44:19 AM »
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  • Well, in my opinion infidelity or total unbelief in God is the most offensive of mortal sins.

    Quote from: Fr.Michael Mueller
    Mortal sin is a deviation from virtue and divine law. The most heinous sin, therefore, is that which separates man from God more than any other. Now, no sin causes a greater separation from God than that of positive infidelity. When the intellect is in error and abandons the knowledge of God, the will follows it and increases in malice in proportion as the intellect turns away from the path of truth, justice, and charity.

    Each step that such a man takes in the darkness of infidelity, increases the distance that separates him from God. A return from that dangerous course is very difficult, for when the intellect is in error and the will is filled with malice and depravity, all the bonds capable of uniting man to God are torn asunder.


    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.