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Offline StCeciliasGirl

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What happened today with Frank?
« on: September 30, 2013, 11:19:20 PM »
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  • Uh, cause INDULT PRIESTS on FB, and some regular career catholic people who just yesterday were talking about trolling forums to "shut up the sedevacanists" and "radtrads" — they're CALLING FRANK "BERGOGLIO" today!

    First article I saw posted: Pope Francis and Rabbi Skorka make history in the Vatican (just Frank being Frank to me; am I missing something?), and then as the day wore on, there was something worse, I think something about getting rid of the College of Cardinals?

    I mean, a lot about getting rid of the Cocks. CoC. Whatever. And TLM priests (well, just two on my timeline, but they're talking to others from other states) are calling Frank Anti-Christ. I don't want to blow identities (for them, though THEY'RE PUBLIC! so also not for me), so I'll just quote some of these PRIESTS STATEMENTS today instead of linking (and this is the MILD stuff; the early stuff before it got ugly):

    Quote from: a TLM priest publically
    Bergoglio says the Church must not engage in proselytism -- Jesus Christ commanded that His Church proselytize the whole world. Bergoglio is Christ's adversary: we must resist him and obey Christ; as St. Peter said, "We must obey God rather than men".

    "Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but that believeth not shall be condemned." (Mark 16: 15-16)

    Which part of the preceding verses does Bergoglio not understand?


    Same old same old to me; but he linked that article up there, too. And I mean, YESTERDAY this one priest was telling people to pray for Frank (he didn't call him Frank, of course, and wasn't the slightest bit perturbed about anything in the world.) I was ABOUT to unfriend him, tbh, because of all the Frank love; can't have that on my timeline because it's upsetting. I've already unfriended many, but he seemed reasonable and holy-ish.

    Just as surprising are the career catholics (bloggers I guess?) who HATE "schismatics" (they didn't use to be so bad; their true colors came out, HUGE, after Frank), who I've been unfriending as I see them, also joined in the ABSOLUTE HATRED for Frank.

    So what happened?!  :stare:  :surprised: .................  :smile:

    If there's some big obvious thread you're already talking about this on, just point me to it and Matthew or someone can delete this thread. I just want to know if we're getting the Indult priests, or if this is some huge joke or something. No, no they're going to LOSE THEIR JOBS even if they're joking. These are things you just don't SAY if you're a priest unless ...I don't even know! What's worse than the beach ball offering? Did Frank come out as an active Sodomite? (I'm 100% serious, though that story's not on Google.)

    Tacking on another one:
    Quote from: same priest
    Bergoglio can obey the directive of the Jєωιѕн high priest if he wishes -- unto his own damnation. I will obey the command of Christ and the apostles rather than the dictates of the Scribes, Pharisees & Chief Priests of тαℓмυdism.


    Edit again: Oh, ONE tried to shut him up (and failed): "IS IT VERY GOOD TO WASH DIRTY LINEN IN public???" with a frowny face.

    WHAT LINEN?!
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    What happened today with Frank?
    « Reply #1 on: October 01, 2013, 12:26:28 AM »
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    I'll control myself regarding your grammar, StCeciliasGirl.  

    But I'm not really confident I know what you're trying to say here.

    If it is what I think it is, there might be something happening, and
    it seems to me that it's going to happen in October, just as the
    Russian Revolution "happened" in October, 1917.  This time it's going
    to be 4 years earlier than XX17, or, could we say MM17?  

    Actually, that would be MMXVII   <minus IV =>   MMXIII


    Anyway, there is a lot more "going on."  

    Fr. David Hewko is at this present hour dismayed that the priests of
    the SSPX are "up in arms" in defense of Pope Francis, and AGAINST
    any constructive criticism of his objective malfeasance, or rather
    conspicuous apostasy.  He wrote an Open Letter to +Fellay and the
    priests of the Society on Sept. 21st, the Feast of St. Matthew, Apostle.

    Matthew of this forum did not fail to notice that, I'm sure.

    Msgr. Perez read the Open Letter and it gave him consolation to see
    that another Traditional priest besides Fr. Paul Kramer and himself,
    are suffering from a conspicuous prejudice against anyone who may
    speak out regarding the deviance of the current Holy Father in
    particular and the conciliar popes in general, including but not
    restricted to, as far back as John XXIII.  

    In case you're having a problem comprehending me here, let me be
    a little more obvious so you can join the ranks of the ticked-off-ites:
    Pope Pius XII was not the squeaky clean guy you might have thought
    him to be, for his actions and policies to a LARGE extent paved the
    way for Vat.II and the Newmass.

    For at the recent Niagara Falls Fatima Peace Conference their
    respective presentations have been "CENSORED" by the likes of one
    Mr. Christopher Ferrara, whose ostensible full Nelson on Fr. Gruner
    gives him the power to "expel" such material from the Fatima.org
    website, on the grounds that IF YOU WANT TO GET THE
    CONSECRATION DONE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KOWTOW TO
    THE MODERNISTS.

    Not to mention the fact that in my own, small, personal experience
    there are two very odd things happening at local chapels on a
    DOCTRINAL level
    ~ things that should not be going on at all,
    and things that are entirely unrelated to these Hewko-Perez-Kramer-
    Gruner-Francis issues.

    In the past, I have seen such coincidences occur just prior to a
    rather huge event of some kind.  

    So do not be surprised if there erupts something really big in the
    next month.  This is the month of the Holy Rosary (starting tomorrow,
    and for those in Central, Eastern or further time zones including UK
    and Europe, it's already here), and the month that holds the end of
    the 50th anniversary of the Most Regrettable Speech of John
    XXIII of Infelicitous Memory (MRSJ23IM)
    , delivered on October
    11th, 1962.  

    This 10-11 will be the beginning of the final 'stretch' of B16's
    "Year of Unfaith"
     -- uhh, sorry -- Year of Faith.  Typo there.  
    The year plus a month-and-a-week-and-six-days extension to this
    so-called Year of Faith will end on November 24th, the Modernist
    Calendar day for Christ the King,  A)  in order to relegate Him to the
    outer fringes and  B)  in order to displace the 24th and Last Sunday
    after Pentecost, a lot like how the Modernists have attempted to
    crush the Third Secret of Fatima by refusing to read its contents in
    public like they should have done, now FIFTY THREE YEARS AGO, in
    1960.  

    One could think of it this way:  in October of 2012, when B16 was
    already planning his abdication for February of 2013 without telling
    anyone except perhaps his "elder brothers in the faith,"  he may
    have seen this Year of Faith as his last hurrah to obfuscate the
    annual Trad observance of the proper Feast of Jesus Christ, King,
    which will occur this year on October 27th, where it belongs.  It is
    there (and not at the end of the year like the Modernists prefer) to
    communicate the FACT that the Social Kingship of Jesus Christ
    belongs HERE and NOW in THIS WORLD, and is not relegated to
    some distant point in the out-of-reach future, most preferably in
    the NEXT WORLD and not at all in this one at all, which is another
    Modernist Deception, one of Diabolical Disorientation.



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    What happened today with Frank?
    « Reply #2 on: October 01, 2013, 03:39:17 AM »
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  • Thank you Neil, and def. an upvote for all that. Sorry about the grammar, and yes, I'm aware of Fr. Hewko's letter. Are the discussions about PPXII going on in a Fr. Hewko thread? I had always thought it a bit disgusting that Bugnini flourished under Pius XII, but haven't seen discussion relating to any details about Pius XII.

    I didn't know about the consecration of Russia resting on fatima.org's content, but I knew it would take something pretty dark to get the lot of bishops out there now to agree on consecrating Russia.

    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Not to mention the fact that in my own, small, personal experience
    there are two very odd things happening at local chapels on a
    DOCTRINAL level
    ~ things that should not be going on at all,
    and things that are entirely unrelated to these Hewko-Perez-Kramer-
    Gruner-Francis issues.

    In the past, I have seen such coincidences occur just prior to a
    rather huge event of some kind.  

    So do not be surprised if there erupts something really big in the
    next month.  This is the month of the Holy Rosary (starting tomorrow,
    and for those in Central, Eastern or further time zones including UK
    and Europe, it's already here), and the month that holds the end of
    the 50th anniversary of the Most Regrettable Speech of John
    XXIII of Infelicitous Memory (MRSJ23IM)
    , delivered on October
    11th, 1962.  

    This 10-11 will be the beginning of the final 'stretch' of B16's
    "Year of Unfaith"
     -- uhh, sorry -- Year of Faith.  Typo there.  
    The year plus a month-and-a-week-and-six-days extension to this
    so-called Year of Faith will end on November 24th, the Modernist
    Calendar day for Christ the King,  A)  in order to relegate Him to the
    outer fringes and  B)  in order to displace the 24th and Last Sunday
    after Pentecost, a lot like how the Modernists have attempted to
    crush the Third Secret of Fatima by refusing to read its contents in
    public like they should have done, now FIFTY THREE YEARS AGO, in
    1960.  

    One could think of it this way:  in October of 2012, when B16 was
    already planning his abdication for February of 2013 without telling
    anyone except perhaps his "elder brothers in the faith,"  he may
    have seen this Year of Faith as his last hurrah to obfuscate the
    annual Trad observance of the proper Feast of Jesus Christ, King,
    which will occur this year on October 27th, where it belongs.  It is
    there (and not at the end of the year like the Modernists prefer) to
    communicate the FACT that the Social Kingship of Jesus Christ
    belongs HERE and NOW in THIS WORLD, and is not relegated to
    some distant point in the out-of-reach future, most preferably in
    the NEXT WORLD and not at all in this one at all, which is another
    Modernist Deception, one of Diabolical Disorientation.


    Right. The Feast of Jesus Christ, King, is well before Advent (and 2 days after my birthday). I just googled the date, and it seems some Protestant sects are celebrating the Feast of Tabernacles on the 27th this year, too.

    Very interesting, thanks. Yes, I must have bunged up the OP because I meant to suggest that Bergoglio did something today that was particularly dastardly, judging from Novus Ordo TLM priests who suddenly started saying that Bergoglio was (1) bowing down to the Jєωs somehow, and also (2) rumored to be getting rid of Cardinals. I did find that last source, if anyone's interested: a blog called Barnhardt, particularly #4:

    Quote from: Ann Barnhardt's blog
    4.  I heard a rumor about a month ago that I alluded to in the last post but sat on, but I think I’ll go ahead and post it here because it looks like it may be coming to fruition within the next few days.  The Pope is probably going to dissolve the College of Cardinals, and perhaps even the Cardinalate itself.


    Just the first few sentences, as it's quite long. After telling the details of the rumor, Barnhardt speculates that ultimately, Bergoglio is going to replace the Cardinalate with something even worse: the one-world-church type of thing.

    So that's it: the "big deal" with Bergoglio in particular is that he's changed the name of his Cardinal committee to a "Council of Cardinals" and has retained the rights to add whoever to the Council as he sees fit (Rorate Caeli); that he may be getting rid of the Cardinalate (rumor linked in this post); and that he's supposedly taking orders from the Jєωs (linked in OP).

    And all of that would tie in with why the SSPX people on Facebook were fighting among themselves, as well, since half had supported Rome and ecuмenism, but now some aren't so sure they should be supporting Bergoglio at all.
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    What happened today with Frank?
    « Reply #3 on: October 01, 2013, 08:23:31 AM »
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  • Can someone tell me where this rumor that the college of cardinals will be dismantled is coming from?

    I just read another forum's entry about it, but it doesn't seem to make sense.

    After all, Bergoglio has just created a council of cardinals to help him govern the Conciliar church.  We've just heard trial balloons sent up about the possibility of creating women cardinals.  What good is any of this if the rank of cardinal is to be eliminated or if the college is to be disbanded?

    I'm not seeing anything other than bloggers talk about the elimination of cardinals.  Where is the rumor coming from?

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    « Reply #4 on: October 01, 2013, 11:19:44 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    Can someone tell me where this rumor that the college of cardinals will be dismantled is coming from?

    I just read another forum's entry about it, but it doesn't seem to make sense.

    After all, Bergoglio has just created a council of cardinals to help him govern the Conciliar church.  We've just heard trial balloons sent up about the possibility of creating women cardinals.  What good is any of this if the rank of cardinal is to be eliminated or if the college is to be disbanded?

    I'm not seeing anything other than bloggers talk about the elimination of cardinals.  Where is the rumor coming from?


    Ann Barnhardt — read #4.

    Apparently not NO, but not SV, refused to pay taxes, got widely popular. People seem to trust Barnhardt though, I'm not exactly sure why.
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    « Reply #5 on: October 01, 2013, 08:42:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: StCeciliasGirl (Oct 01, 2013, 12:19 pm)
    Quote from: TKGS (Oct 01, 2013, 9:23 am)
    Can someone tell me where this rumor that the college of cardinals will be dismantled is coming from? [....] I'm not seeing anything other than bloggers talk about the elimination of cardinals. Where is the rumor coming from?

    Ann Barnhardt [....]&#160; Apparently not NO, but not SV, refused to pay taxes, got widely popular.

    A U.S.-Midwestern RCIA-convert Catholic, maybe still Novus Ordo, with no apparent claim to insider info.  So, not to file too sharp a point onto it: a lay "blogger".

    Whose lack of a record for credibility and failure to even vaguely identify her sources is justifiably objected to as a source for such a major ecclesiastical story.  Altho' the objection by 'TKGS' might've been dismissed as merely inferred, mine should be recognizable as explicit.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 01, 2013, 08:55:36 PM »
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  • Maybe so, but her analysis is pretty interesting:

    Quote from: Ann Barnhardt, the Lay Blogger
    We must also remember that Bergoglio is a Jesuit hippy straight out of the 1970s.  Hippies are defined by their hatred of authority.  Thus, as I have said from the beginning, Bergoglio has always and still does hate the central authority aspect of the Church.  This is why he referred to himself from literally his first moment as Pope not as “Pope” but as “Bishop of Rome”.  We have a pope who in his heart rejects the papacy itself.  Bergoglio does not believe that the Church should be governed by a central authority and instead should be broken up into local synods and bishops conferences who then basically “vote” on what their local “churches” hold as truth.  In short, Francis wants to turn the Catholic Church into the Episcopal “church”, which is to say, to destroy the Catholic Church from the inside-out.  If you don’t believe me, just look at this quote from his now-infamous interview with the heretical Jesuit magazine America published two weeks ago:

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    “The image of the church I like is that of the holy, faithful people of God. This is the definition I often use … the people itself constitutes a subject. And the church is the people of God on the journey through history, with joys and sorrows. Thinking with the church, therefore, is my way of being a part of this people. And all the faithful, considered as a whole, are infallible in matters of belief, and the people display this infallibilitas in credendo, this infallibility in believing, through a supernatural sense of the faith of all the people walking together.”


    This is not Ratzinger talking.  This is the not-terribly-bright South American Jesuit Bergoglio talking, so we must unpack this statement as such.  This is Bergoglio falsely painting the popular will of the people as infallible, and truth as a derivative of the people.  The Truth is Jesus Christ, and the Church and every person that ever has or will exist is a derivative of HIM.

    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

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    « Reply #7 on: October 01, 2013, 09:10:32 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ann Barnhardt
    IF Francis actually does dissolve the Cardinalate, don’t kid yourselves –  it will still be a ruling body – in fact, the new ruling body will be far, far more “powerful” and compact, and will be composed entirely of a close circle of pure idealogues hand-picked by the top man who will be hailed and glorified as a hero of the people, and will, no doubt, attempt to impose their modernist agenda, all the while trumpeting that it is all the “infallible will of the people”, and being done for “the good of the people”, and the world and its Prince will love them for it.  There is nothing new under the sun.  History doesn’t repeat itself, but it rhymes without fail.


    Isn't this self-proclaimed view of Francis, the humble hero of the people, what made so many (who should have known better) sing his praises shortly after "his humbleness" appeared on the balcony?


    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


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    « Reply #8 on: October 01, 2013, 10:39:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: SJB (Oct 01, 2013, 9:55 pm)
    Maybe so, but  [Barnhardt's] analysis is pretty interesting [....]

    Ummm, unexpectedly eclectic interests for a [arguably uncharitable stereotyping deleted] grad.  I thought the following was the most, um, fascinating:

    Quote from: [url=http://www.barnhardt.biz/2013/09/30/catching-up-the-cardinals-and-peronist-fascism/
    catching-up-the-cardinals-and-peronist-fascism[/url] (Sep. 30, 2013)]We have to understand Bergoglio's politics first.  Bergoglio is a Peronist-Fascist.  You all know the Argentinian strongman Juan Peron and his wife Eva Peron from the musical Evita.  The closest comparison one can make of the Peronist milieu is to Mussolini's Blackshirt Italy.  Yeah.  Charming.  [....]&#160; Peronist-Fascism is also rabidly, rabidly anti-aristocracy and anti-clerical.  This is why when I heard the scuttlebut that Francis was going to dissolve the College of Cardinals, I thought it a very plausible scenario.  The Cardinals are an aristocracy--they are literally the Princes of the Church.  IF Francis does this, it will gin up populist support--but don’t be fooled.  This is a very common maneuver among Marxists.  What the strongman does after dissolving a body is to then reform a new body populated entirely with his own hand-picked men.

    Be that as it may, 'twas she who described the Catholic-hierarchy news credited to her as "scuttlebut" above, and elsewhere as "a rumor about a month ago".  Fair game as a hook for commentary, but it's simply not news.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 01, 2013, 11:07:09 PM »
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    Quote from: SJB (Oct 01, 2013, 9:55 pm)
    Maybe so, but  [Barnhardt's] analysis is pretty interesting [....]

    Ummm, unexpectedly eclectic interests for a [arguably uncharitable stereotyping deleted] grad.  I thought the following was the most, um, fascinating:

    Quote from: [url=http://www.barnhardt.biz/2013/09/30/catching-up-the-cardinals-and-peronist-fascism/
    catching-up-the-cardinals-and-peronist-fascism[/url] (Sep. 30, 2013)]We have to understand Bergoglio's politics first.  Bergoglio is a Peronist-Fascist.  You all know the Argentinian strongman Juan Peron and his wife Eva Peron from the musical Evita.  The closest comparison one can make of the Peronist milieu is to Mussolini's Blackshirt Italy.  Yeah.  Charming.  [....]&#160; Peronist-Fascism is also rabidly, rabidly anti-aristocracy and anti-clerical.  This is why when I heard the scuttlebut that Francis was going to dissolve the College of Cardinals, I thought it a very plausible scenario.  The Cardinals are an aristocracy--they are literally the Princes of the Church.  IF Francis does this, it will gin up populist support--but don’t be fooled.  This is a very common maneuver among Marxists.  What the strongman does after dissolving a body is to then reform a new body populated entirely with his own hand-picked men.

    Be that as it may, 'twas she who described the Catholic-hierarchy news credited to her as "scuttlebut" above, and elsewhere as "a rumor about a month ago".  Fair game as a hook for commentary, but it's simply not news.


    He is a populist and a liberal who will remake the authority, not dissolve it. True authority hasn't been seen in Rome for years anyway, simply because the purpose, I suppose, was to allow things to atrophy for a period.

    Anyway, it seems you have a problem with Barnhardt, yet I don't see what it is. Maybe you could tell us.
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    « Reply #10 on: October 01, 2013, 11:52:56 PM »
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  • I've never heard of Barnhardt either; the thing is, the ruckus seemed to be in part about the now-infamous interview Bergoglio gave, and this Barnhardt rumor. At least one of the priests trusts her, but I have no idea why.

    I'll admit it's a little strange that The Berg wants to make a female "Cardinal", right before he gets rids of the Cardinals. But what Barnhardt is saying about Marxist tactics (get rid of the unpopular thing to appeal to people, then replace it with something much worse) rings true.

    I just posted this on another thread, but the Council of Cardinals started yesterday, and there were plenty of photo ops. In one of the photos, a woman is clearly seen (and bandaged up, in a wheelchair, so I doubt she's taking minutes):



    The feminist neo-Cats are going ape**** over this photo. Stuff like, "It's about time!" and "only one?!"

    True, she could be one of their wives ("Cardinal" O'Brien was married so yes it IS possible  :laugh1: ) or the cleaning lady, I don't know.
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    « Reply #11 on: October 02, 2013, 09:52:51 AM »
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  • Quote from: SJB (Oct 02, 2013, 12:07 am)
    Anyway, it seems you have a problem with Barnhardt, yet I don't see what it is. Maybe you could tell us.

    I already have told you.  Rather than cluelessly fully quoting my most recent posting, you should read what I wrote in both of my past postings in this topic: A total of only 9 lines of text&#160;
    • , all in English at about the same level of difficulty as your sig-quote.


    And 'twas you who disagreed with her commentary on Bergoglio as a Peronist-Fascist.&#160; I considered it fascinating enough to be worth excerpting, as speculation that seems to me to be within the realm of possibility.  I wouldn't put it past him, not at all.

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    « Reply #12 on: October 02, 2013, 10:38:34 AM »
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    And 'twas you who disagreed with her commentary on Bergoglio as a Peronist-Fascist.

    Maybe you need to read things more closely.
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    « Reply #13 on: October 02, 2013, 02:02:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: StCeciliasGirl (Oct 02, 2013, 12:52 am)
    I've never heard of Barnhardt either; the thing is, the ruckus seemed to be in part about [...] this Barnhardt rumor. At least one of the priests trusts her, but I have no idea why.

    Me neither.  The self-described "chick ex-cattle broker with a potty-mouth problem" (Jan. 21, 2013) writes very well, and not at all meekly.  Especially on economic & financial issues, based on her education & professional experience.

    But reading "About Ann Barnhardt" added to my skepticism about her being presented as an expert on religion.

    Methinks it highly questionable to grant "credibility" in Catholic ecclesiastical matters to a 30-something who converted 6&#189; years ago to the Novus Ordo via RCIA, thus 2 years after the "inauguration" of Benedict XVI.

    She'd been born 2 years (more or less) before the death of Paul VI.  So to the extent she was ever paying attention as a nonCatholic, growing from infancy to 30-something adulthood, 'twas John Paul II who was "the very model" of a modern&#160; pont'fex maximus&#160;
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    Which might explain her belief that "abominable, devirilized, desacralized, [...] dancing, clowning Masses" are "still valid" (July 31, 2013).  An Internet search found the word "Tridentine" and the phrase "Latin Mass" on her site, in words of her own, only a handful of times total.  She writes as if she no longer attends Novus Ordo Masses (at least in the vernacular), but it's unclear what she does attend.  It may be significant that most of her instances of the "Our Father" are ended with the annoying Protestant "For Thine is the kingdom [....]".

    It's more important that we keep all the above in perspective: The real issue should be whether or not Bishop-of-Rome Francis will be abolishing the Sacred College of Cardinals.  The messenger or rumor-monger should be no more than a peripheral[/b] issue.

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    What happened today with Frank?
    « Reply #14 on: October 02, 2013, 02:08:33 PM »
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    But reading "About Ann Barnhardt" added to my skepticism about her being presented as an expert on religion.


    Who presented her in this manner?
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil