Author Topic: What exactly does it mean to live lukewarm? (Read 1272 times)

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #5 on:** April 10, 2013, 01:43:19 AM »

Quote from: Marlelar

Lukewarm is being neither hot nor cold. A person who doesn't love God but doesn't hate Him is lukewarm; it means not caring one way or the other.
Rev 3:[15] I know thy works, that thou art neither cold, nor hot. I would thou wert cold, or hot. [16] But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, not hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth.

I think ecuмenism is also a good example of being lukewarm, to an ecuмaniac it doesn't matter what religion a person believes in they are all equally "good", ecuмaniacs don't care about ultimate truths but believe everyone is a "seeker" and on the "way" to truth :faint:

Marsha

In the third century, St. Clement of Alexandria wrote: “Before the coming of the Lord, philosophy was necessary for justification to the Greeks; now it is useful for piety . . . for it brought the Greeks to Christ as the Law did the Hebrews” (Miscellanies 1:5).

“We have been taught that Christ is the first-begotten of God, and we have declared Him to be the Logos of which all mankind partakes (Jn. 1:9). Those, therefore, who lived according to reason [logos] were really Christians, even though they were thought to be atheists, such as, among the Greeks, Socrates, Heraclitus, and others like them . . . those who lived before Christ but did not live according to reason were wicked men, and enemies of Christ, and murderers of those who did live according to reason, whereas those who lived then or who live now according to reason are Christians. Such as these can be confident and unafraid” (Justin Martyr, First Apology 46).

Stubborn · « **Reply #6 on:** April 10, 2013, 06:14:53 AM »

Quote from: Marlelar

Lukewarm is being neither hot nor cold. A person who doesn't love God but doesn't hate Him is lukewarm; it means not caring one way or the other.
Rev 3:[15] I know thy works, that thou art neither cold, nor hot. I would thou wert cold, or hot. [16] But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, not hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth.

I think ecuмenism is also a good example of being lukewarm, to an ecuмaniac it doesn't matter what religion a person believes in they are all equally "good", ecuмaniacs don't care about ultimate truths but believe everyone is a "seeker" and on the "way" to truth :faint:

Marsha

Good post and yes, [false] ecuмenism is a good example. Modernism breeds lukewarmness.

When one is lukewarm he is indifferent - "neither hot or cold" - i.e. being middle of the road, no real conviction one way or the other - or saying one thing then doing the other.

Either the new mass or the True Mass is fine, and there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church, yet some outside might be saved, are a few examples of being lukewarm.

TKGS · « **Reply #7 on:** April 10, 2013, 08:15:39 AM »

Lukewarmness is the heart and soul of Modernism. It is the idea that no one can "impose" his beliefs upon anyone else and that everyone has the right to believe whatever doctrine one wishes. Such people cannot even bear to hear the truth and, in fact, will be indignant that someone dare tell them something they don't want to hear. They will actually condemn the truth-teller as "intollerant" or "bigotted".

The lukewarm soul doesn't care if you wish to privately hold any view, but considers the greatest sin to be expressing a view that conflicts with his own or, even more so, living his life as if such "private views" actually matters.

Ecuмenism is indeed the most visible and easy example of the lukewarm soul.

Agobard · « **Reply #8 on:** April 11, 2013, 03:08:45 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

Lukewarmness is the heart and soul of Modernism. It is the idea that no one can "impose" his beliefs upon anyone else and that everyone has the right to believe whatever doctrine one wishes. Such people cannot even bear to hear the truth and, in fact, will be indignant that someone dare tell them something they don't want to hear. They will actually condemn the truth-teller as "intollerant" or "bigotted".

The lukewarm soul doesn't care if you wish to privately hold any view, but considers the greatest sin to be expressing a view that conflicts with his own or, even more so, living his life as if such "private views" actually matters.

Ecuмenism is indeed the most visible and easy example of the lukewarm soul.

Perfectly stated. The reason why life in the modern world is worse than Pagan Rome.