Author Topic: What does this mean? (Read 1765 times)

songbird · « **on:** June 01, 2014, 07:58:09 PM »

ENOYMION THNOY. The first "O" has a - in the middle of it.

crossbro · « **Reply #1 on:** June 01, 2014, 08:35:53 PM »

THNOY= probably a variation of a Swiss or Austrian surname.

ENOYMION= probably a first name.

Endymion was a poem by Keats.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #2 on:** June 02, 2014, 06:41:28 PM »

Quote from: songbird

ENOYMION THNOY. The first "O" has a - in the middle of it.

Theta (uppercase Θ, lowercase θ or ϑ)

So that would be ENΘYMION THNOY.

IOW -- it's Greek. Perhaps it should be ENΘYMION ΘNOY. But "THNOY" would be okay too.

Reminds me of Eponimous Flower and Maurice Pinoy.

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songbird · « **Reply #3 on:** June 02, 2014, 07:13:05 PM »

Thank YOu! I bought a boulion thread picture of the annunciation. It was done during the war, 1930-1940 I was told. The threads are gold and silver. Below the picture are the 2 words that I have been trying to figure out what it is translated.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #4 on:** June 02, 2014, 11:34:11 PM »

It's all rather odd. THNOY is obviously "Theoi"-Greek possessive plural: "of the gods".

The third letter of the first word is probable the Greek "delta", a "d" sound.

Thus you have Endymion. Endymion of the gods. Endymion was a son of the gods in Greek mythology. He fell in love with the Moon Goddess Selena. I don't know what this would have to do with a picture of the Annunciation. Are you sure the picture is the Annunciation?

One of the parades in MardiGras is done by the Endymion group.
Sounds a little "blackart-ish" to me. What does the picture show?

songbird · « **Reply #5 on:** June 03, 2014, 09:38:59 AM »

It truly is what it is. Someone thought that maybe the one who did the picture was signing their name, or maybe I think that because it was done during the war, maybe the name is some one who died in war, in memory. I hope to find out more background about the "boullion" Thread art then maybe I will get somewhere. Thanks again.

songbird · « **Reply #6 on:** June 03, 2014, 09:41:14 AM »

I think maybe it could mean "Son of God"?

crossbro · « **Reply #7 on:** June 03, 2014, 10:35:02 AM »

Quote from: songbird

Thank YOu! I bought a boulion thread picture of the annunciation. It was done during the war, 1930-1940 I was told. The threads are gold and silver. Below the picture are the 2 words that I have been trying to figure out what it is translated.

It probably is the Greek myth- Thnoy being the artists Endymon the title of the painting. That is what Keats based his poem on.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #8 on:** June 04, 2014, 12:16:07 AM »

Endymion was not an artist, he was a myth. Crossbow and Songbird please go back and read what I wrote using your finger to trace the line, mouthing the words very slowly. Try to avoid breathing through your mouth too excessively. You can ignore me if you want, but first I think you have to refute me.

The remedial class will meet every Wednesday morning for the rest of the summer.

crossbro · « **Reply #9 on:** June 04, 2014, 09:08:23 AM »

Quote from: Lighthouse

Endymion was not an artist, he was a myth. Crossbow and Songbird please go back and read what I wrote using your finger to trace the line, mouthing the words very slowly. Try to avoid breathing through your mouth too excessively. You can ignore me if you want, but first I think you have to refute me.

The remedial class will meet every Wednesday morning for the rest of the summer.

Here are my two posts in this thread:

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THNOY= probably a variation of a Swiss or Austrian surname.

ENOYMION= probably a first name.

Endymion was a poem by Keats.

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It probably is the Greek myth- Thnoy being the artists Endymon the title of the painting. That is what Keats based his poem on.

I don't think anyone is trying to refute you, I do believe though that it is your experience that most people in your life do choose to ignore you, probably because of your arrogant and shallow personality.

PereJoseph · « **Reply #10 on:** June 04, 2014, 12:04:13 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: songbird
ENOYMION THNOY. The first "O" has a - in the middle of it.

Theta (uppercase Θ, lowercase θ or ϑ)

So that would be ENΘYMION THNOY.

IOW -- it's Greek. Perhaps it should be ENΘYMION ΘNOY. But "THNOY" would be okay too.

Reminds me of Eponimous Flower and Maurice Pinoy.

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Enthymion Tinou. I found a site with a medal that appears to be of the Annunciation. I had Google translate the site and it came back as "Souvenir Tinou." Upon looking up Tinou, Google asked if I maybe meant "Tinos." Well, there is apparently a famous (famous to the Greeks, I guess) Orthodox church and shrine dedicated to "Our Lady of Tinos." I don't know any Greek grammar, really, but it wouldn't surprise me if the holy card or medal is somehow related to this shrine, which appears to be of Venetian construction rather than native Greek. Possibly a "souvenir (from/of) Tinos."

PereJoseph · « **Reply #11 on:** June 04, 2014, 12:26:35 PM »

Here are more souvenirs from Tinos, one of the islands in the Cyclades.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #12 on:** June 04, 2014, 02:51:42 PM »

Quote from: crossbro

Quote from: Lighthouse
Endymion was not an artist, he was a myth. Crossbow and Songbird please go back and read what I wrote using your finger to trace the line, mouthing the words very slowly. Try to avoid breathing through your mouth too excessively. You can ignore me if you want, but first I think you have to refute me.

The remedial class will meet every Wednesday morning for the rest of the summer.

Here are my two posts in this thread:
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THNOY= probably a variation of a Swiss or Austrian surname.

ENOYMION= probably a first name.

Endymion was a poem by Keats.

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It probably is the Greek myth- Thnoy being the artists Endymon the title of the painting. That is what Keats based his poem on.

I don't think anyone is trying to refute you, I do believe though that it is your experience that most people in your life do choose to ignore you, probably because of your arrogant and shallow personality.

Wow. And you can judge this based on one post? Do you mean shallow as in arguing without any basis or evidence. That seems to be exactly what you are doing.

I have no problem with people attempting to refute me. The back and forth might just get at the truth. Instead, you make baseless statements such as

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THNOY= probably a variation of a Swiss or Austrian surname.

Where did you get that one?

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Thnoy being the artists

Can you name an artist named Thnoy? Why do you write "artists"? Were there two of them--the famous Thnoy twins? Or is it some attempt at a possessive?

I've had two years of study in classical Greek. Granted it was a long time ago in a galaxy far aware, and I'm far from being an expert, and will readily admit it. And your training was...?

In any case, two of a kind beats jack high.

Pere Joseph, your website seems to be exactly what we are looking for. But still a mystery. I ran everything on the website through a translator. I couldn't find anything explanatory about the medal, only instructions for purchase. It seems to be a Greek version of E-bay, but there is notification that it shutdown the first of May.

The picture on the medal seems to find the Blessed Virgin showing a little too much information. Or am I hallucinating?

Lighthouse · « **Reply #13 on:** June 04, 2014, 03:13:29 PM »

Yes, PereJoseph, I think you are on the right path. See: This.

The fact that the icon is encrusted with gold and silver would line up nicely with the silver and gold thread in Songbird's prize.

This still leaves a lot to uncover. I haven't found anything to explain a linkage to the two words in question. Also, the icon itself appears to differ greatly from the medal that was shown for sale.

It is listed as being a Church of the Assumption. Earlier there is a mention of the original theme as being that of the Dormition. Dormition=sleep=equals the salient quality of Endymion???

Wikipedia.

:idea:

songbird · « **Reply #14 on:** June 04, 2014, 04:27:19 PM »

If I knew how to take a picture of the boulion art and put it on this forum, I would, but I don't know how that is done. I have the cameras that take pictures and then we put them in the computer and we know how to email them to friends. Maybe that is a possibility, I just don't know how to put it on here.

All I know is that I was told, at the estate sale, that the picture is in the pretty gold and silver threads, like embrodery known as bouilion art. It was done during war 1930's 1940's. I was told the Germans did it and or done in Europe mainly. Yes, it is the angel Gabriel in front of Our Lady. Maybe the artist signed his name.