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Offline Trinity

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« on: January 23, 2007, 11:17:00 AM »
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  • to constitute a religion? It's a belief system, right? Does it have to have tenets, rituals, what? If I believe the earth is flat, is that a religion? Or the gov't is corrupt, is that a religion? What makes Methodism a religion? Does there have to be an element of worship? If so, what constitutes worship?
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    « Reply #1 on: January 23, 2007, 11:19:35 AM »
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  • You have a point --

    The same could be said of "What constitutes a Christian sect?"
    Belief that Jesus Christ existed? That He was God?

    It seems odd to call the Christian Scientists "Christian", since they are neither Christian nor do their odd beliefs mesh with science.

    Mormons, also, are almost more pagan than Christian. They believe that what Jesus IS, we can be someday (have our own planet, etc.)

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    « Reply #2 on: January 23, 2007, 01:00:45 PM »
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  • The Baltimore Catechism says:

    Religion, the relationship between God and man; all the teachings and practices of the Church by which we join ourselves to God.

    Relationship... take that non denominationals!

    Anyways, I'm guessing your question is more philosophical trin?
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    « Reply #3 on: January 23, 2007, 02:29:34 PM »
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    to constitute a religion?  It's a belief system, right?  Does it have to have tenets, rituals, what?  If I believe the earth is flat, is that a religion?  Or the gov't is corrupt, is that a religion?


    You must not confuse deeply held opinions with religion.

    Religion deals with Devotion to what is held as an Absolute Truth.  Not mearely holding strong opinions and defending them.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 23, 2007, 03:05:51 PM »
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    Let's just take that and fly with it (devotion to a perceived "absolute truth").  How does satanism fit in here?


    To me it does... as long that it is for them truely a devotion to a perceived absolute truth.

    This discounts those who are in those circles only attracted to it's perversions and do not have a true devotion to the transcandant nature of their acts and rituals.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 23, 2007, 03:15:54 PM »
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  • 'Religion, the relationship between God and man; all the teachings and practices of the Church by which we join ourselves to God.'

    If it's in the Baltimore Catechism, it's good enough for me.


    'So a good working model of a religion would help us recognize the false ones.'

    I have an example:

    '...our Catholic Faith, without which it is impossible to please God,...'
    --Pope St. Pius V, The Council of Trent, Session V, 17 June 1546

     :smile:

    'For instance, is our faith in science a religion?'

    _Our_ faith in science?

    1.  Who is this 'our' who has faith in science?

    2.  Of what does this 'faith' consist?  I.e. what is the point to this 'faith'?

    I would contend that those who have 'faith' in science (presumably, to answer all of Man's questions _without God_, etc.) cannot, by definition, be a faith.  It is humanism.


    'Are we worshiping false gods?'

    _We_?  I dont know about you, but I worship The Holy Trinity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.

    Now, scientists, being secular humanists (generally speaking), do not worship God but place their 'faith' in Man, i.e. in themselves.  By so doing, they might be considered to be attempting to elevate Man to divine status, by implying that Man can answer every question and solve every problem without God.

    Therefore, in a roundabout sense they might be worshipping false gods (scientists).

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    « Reply #6 on: January 24, 2007, 09:46:41 AM »
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  • 'Ok, Vandaler, we will leave Gilbert with the one and only religion and explore what others might think are religions. So you say satanism is a religion, at least to those who believe in its rituals, etc.'

    Really, and with all due respect, what is the point to a lay Catholic trying to understand other religions?  Particularly 'satanism', which isnt really a religion, but the anti-religion.


    'Can we get broader than this?  Because I think it is generally recognized that there are a lot of religions out there.'

    Other religions?  Have you heard of Judaism?  Mohammedanism?  Hinduism?  Buddhism?


    'Do they all hold "absolute truths", rituals, acts, transcendent nature?'

    Some hold to absolute truths which explains why they've survived so far, but they are of course false.  For instance, Mohammedanism holds that there is one God (true) and that Mohammed is his prophet (false).  They also believe that there is only one Truth (true): theirs (false).  They believe in the natural relationship between the sexes (true) but that a man may have more than one living wife (false).


    'Is this what makes them a religion, or is there more?'

    Restating BC: 'Religion, the relationship between God and man; all the teachings and practices of the Church by which we join ourselves to God.'

    Note that the Catechism states:

    1.  That religion is the relationship between God and man.  (Which is why I consider 'satanism' not to be a religion, because it deliberately obstructs man's relationship with God.

    2.  That religion is all the teachings and practices of _the_ Church by which we join ourselves to God.  Notice that it does not say 'churches'.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 24, 2007, 10:34:06 AM »
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    « Reply #8 on: January 24, 2007, 01:05:30 PM »
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    Ok, Vandaler,

    Can we get broader than this?  Because I think it is generally recognized that there are a lot of religions out there.  Do they all hold "absolute truths", rituals, acts, transcendent nature?  Is this what makes them a religion, or is there more?


    In my limited capicity, I do believe you have wrote the make up of what consist a religion, and religious behavior.

    If you expand to much from that, you start streching the definition and then religion becomes a rethorical device.

    ie: Worshiping money, power, hedonism etc...

    While these analogies are usefull tool for analysis, they do not really constitue real religions, but rather share some caracteristics with religious behavior.

    The real pickle you are in right now, is not defining religion, since you know viscerally what that is... but rather finding the fault line between what is truely a religion, and what is similar to religion.




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    « Reply #9 on: January 24, 2007, 01:58:00 PM »
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  • 'I gather that your protest that there is but one religion (Catholic) and all else is something else, is a matter of principle.'

    It is and, since you understand that, I am willing to use the term 'religion' for purposes of this discussion.


    'I see here he/she has pegged the god of liberalism, man himself.'

    Yes.

    Liberalism is the religion of Modernists.  Liberalism is humanistic in orientation: the emphasis is on Man; God is hardly, if ever, mentioned.

    Here is a brief recapitulation and elabouration of the Liberal 'religion':

    The creed of Liberalism is the Separation of Church and State.

    Some dogmas of liberalism include The Big Bang and Evolution, both of which explicitly or implicitly deny God's role in Creation, as well as ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, Pornography, Infanticide, Birth Control, Divorce, Euthanasia, Deracination (or, 'Multiculturalism', if you prefer), Collectivism, and the Redistribution of Wealth ('...from each according to his ability, to each according to his need...').

    Some cults within Liberalism include: the Feminist movement; the Lesbian, gαy, BisɛҳuąƖ and Transgender movement; the Animal Rights movement; and the Environmental Rights Movement.

    The language of Liberalism is Political Correctness (PC, defined as cultural Marxism by William Lind).

    The 'bible' of Liberalism is The Communist Manifesto.  Some derivative texts would include The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and It Takes A Village.

    The 'faith' of Liberalism is Communism.  "There is no God and Marx is His Prophet."

    The pre-eminent anathema of Liberalism is Intolerance... except as pertains to the Intolerant.

    The apostles of Liberalism are, of course, Marx and Engels.  To this list of apostles, I would consider as 'church fathers', disciples, or evangelists: Sigmund Freud; Albert Einstein; Betty Frieden; Gloria Steinem; and Martin Luther King, Jr. (also a martyr).

    Liberalism's symbols include: the Peace symbol, the Rainbow, and the Protestant cross (as opposed to the Catholic crucifix).

    Liberalism's Holy Days of Obligation include: International Woman's Day; Martin Luther King, Jr. Day; May Day; Arbor Day; and Thanksgiving.

    Some rituals of Liberalism include: 'non-denominational prayers', National Hispanic Heritage Month, National African-American Heritage Month, Presidential elections, and Congressional elections.

    Liberalism's clergy include: Affirmative Action and Equal Opportunity Enforcement Officers, psychologists, psychiatrists, the SPLC, the ADL, the ACLU, and the Media.

    Liberalism's shrines include: The television and the National h0Ɩ0cαųst Memorial.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 24, 2007, 01:59:16 PM »
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    That's what I'm getting at.  What makes one a religion and another not.  Here are some recognized religions just for starters.

    budhism
    hinduism
    baptist
    methodist
    arianism
    scientology
    judaism
    mormonism

    I think psychiatry has elements of religion in it, too.  Belief systems with followers, maybe?  What about those nuts that tried to hitch a ride on the comet?  What are some mentioned in the Bible, besides Baalism?

    Could it be something people live their lives by?


    These are all religions in their own rights... but your probably stretching it in the case of psychiatry.

    If one applies itself, one can make convincing arguments to define different things as religions.  Those analogies are only limited by ones inventiveness.  So in a way, your endeaviour while intellectually entertaining will most likely end in frustration from not achieving a defenitive result.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 25, 2007, 08:05:10 AM »
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  • 'I think the NO more closely resembles Judaism than Christianity.'

    If you consider the Novus Ordo to be, essentially, Protestantism, then the following quotes might help:

    "Are not the Protestant Scots Hebrews with their Biblical names, their Jerusalem, their Pharisaic cant?  And is not their religion a Judaism which allows one to eat pork?"
    --Quoted by Louis I. Newman in "Jєωιѕн Influence on Christian Reform Movements", p. 633, in note

    "Protestantism is Judaism with a licence to eat pork."
    --Benjamin Disraeli, Prime Minister of England and Jєωιѕн "convert" to Protestantism

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    « Reply #13 on: January 26, 2007, 08:59:32 PM »
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  • Oh...I can't leave out Michael Hoffman's opinion.

    The National 'h0Ɩ0cαųst' Museum: ѕуηαgσgυє of the New State Religion
    By Michael A. Hoffman II. Copyright 1993. http://www.hoffman-info.com

    The holier-than-thou hollerers of "h0Ɩ0cαųst" hucksterism have hit the jackpot in Washington, D.C. Just a few hundred yards from the Washington Monument squats a chamber-of-horrors financed by the taxpayers, stocked with state-of-the-art video illusion technology and dedicated to the proposition that all Israelis are created superior.

    A Jєωιѕн theologian, Dr. Mark Ellis, has stated that Jєωs are "using the h0Ɩ0cαųst to justify brutality against the Palestinians." Dr. Ellis, asked, "Could Auschwitz be used in a perverse way to claim an inherent and internal (Jєωιѕн) superiority?" (Jєωιѕн Chronicle, Nov. 6, 1 992).

    The "h0Ɩ0cαųst" has become a media religion, the last truly believed religion in the otherwise agnostic West. It is a civic religion, one of the aims of which is to replace the crucifixion of Christ at Calvary with the experience of the Jєωs at Auschwitz, as the central ontological event of Western history.

    The Jєωs are not just a nation of martyrs but human beings like the rest of us, with their share of crooks, killers and war criminals. Plenty of other nations of people have suffered as much or far more, with the difference being that these other nations do not have the attention of the Hollywood publicity machine and thus the horrors they underwent are shrouded in obscurity.

    Is everyone who dares to disagree with this new "h0Ɩ0cαųst" religion a nαzι? Was Jesus Christ a nαzι? Certainly if anyone repeated in public today His statements critical of the Jєωιѕн leadership, they'd be defamed in the media as a "hatemonger" and if possible, hauled in front of the Human Rights Commission for "hate speech."

    This sectarian "h0Ɩ0cαųst" mania enshrines only the victim of the nαzιs. The half-million German women and children deliberately burned to death on orders of Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt in Allied air force ~area bombing" attacks on the civilian centers of Germany's cities, are excluded from the National "h0Ɩ0cαųst" Museum.

    The Arabs of Beirut, Lebanon victimized by Jєωs when they were burned to death by the tens of thousands during intentional Israeli air force attacks on clearly-marked schools, hospitals and apartment blocks in August of 1 982, are excluded from the museum. The Palestinian children who throw stones at helmeted and flak-jacketed Israeli soldiers and are in turn shot to death, will not be included in the exhibits. The 20 million Russian-Christian victims of a Bolshevik leadership dominated by communists of Jєωιѕн extraction, will not be part of the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" temple.

    The museum to a persecution that occurred on foreign shores is installed in our nation's capital alongside the memorials and monuments of the pioneers and presidents who worked, bled and died to make the American dream a reality.
    This marks the eclipse of that dream and the substitution of a macabre diorama from the Old World, a necrophiliac shrine to religious and ethnic negativity having nothing to do with American history. This country was founded as a haven from such destructive and divisive obsessions.

    The ѕуηαgσgυє masquerading as a museum in Washington D.C. represents the first cathedral of the first state-established religion in American history. It symbolizes not only the death of separation of church and state but the death of America as we have known it for 217 years.
    [Excerpted from Mr.Hoffman's "Researcher" newsletter, Vol. 4. No. 3, 1993]

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  • Remember your achilles heel?

     
    h0Ɩ0cαųst Revisionism And its Political Consequences
    Jürgen Graf, January 2001, in Tehran exile   
     
    15. The last battle
    "Achieving our quest for a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr depends upon our learning the h0Ɩ0cαųst's lesson." (Ian Kagedan, director of government relations for the Jєωιѕн Bnai Brith organisation, as quoted by the Toronto Star, 26 November 1991.)

    a) The transformation of the h0Ɩ0cαųst into a religion
    The orthodox h0Ɩ0cαųst story can not possibly be defended with rational arguments because its absurdity is overwhelming. We are asked to believe in the fata morgana of a vast slaughter in killing factories which left no traces whatsoever - no docuмents, no bones, no teeth, no ashes - nothing! We are further asked to believe that the Allies, who had a large network of informers all over Europe and a spy in the German leadership (Admiral Canaris, the head of the German intelligence), did not become aware of this gigantic genocide until the end of the war, for if they had known about the mass murder, they would have acted to stop it.
    Finally, we are asked to believe that the Jєωs in Poland, the epicentre of the h0Ɩ0cαųst, did not know anything about the Auschwitz gas chambers as late as in August 1944, otherwise the Jєωs from the Lodz ghetto would not have gone to Auschwitz voluntarily - which is precisely what they did, as related by Raul Hilberg in his standard work about the h0Ɩ0cαųst (Die Vernichtung der europaeischen Juden, p. 543/544).

    As the Zionist-controlled system of the "Western democracies" is woefully unable to counter the revisionists with arguments, it resorts to censorship and brute force in order to silence the dangerous heretics. And the Jєωs are gradually transforming the h0Ɩ0cαųst into a religion. This is a very clever strategy, for as Robert Faurisson aptly remarks, one cannot refute a religion with scientific arguments. Thus, the h0Ɩ0cαųst museums and h0Ɩ0cαųst monuments spreading like mushrooms all over America and Europe are really temples of the new religion, whereas professional "h0Ɩ0cαųst survivors" such as Elie Wiesel are the priests of the new religion. To prove this assertion, we only have to quote Wiesel himself: "The h0Ɩ0cαųst is a holy mystery, the secret of which is limited to the circle of the priesthood of survivors" (Peter Novick, The h0Ɩ0cαųst in American Life, 1999, p. 211, 212, retranslated from the German). Another high priest of the h0Ɩ0cαųst cult, Simon Wiesenthal, goes even further: "When each of us comes before the Six Million, we will be asked what we did with our lives... I will say: I did not forget you" (Simon Wiesenthal in Response, Vol. 20, Nr. 1).

    No critical questions about the h0Ɩ0cαųst are allowed because they are a blasphemy: They cause immense distress to the eternal victims of persecution, the Jєωs, and are an attempt to whitewash National Socialism - the most evil ideology of all times which made the h0Ɩ0cαųst possible! In today's Germany, it is even considered inadmissible to compare the h0Ɩ0cαųst with the atrocities of communist tyrants such as Stalin or Cambodian dictator Pol Pot because this is regarded as a "relativisation" and "trivialization" of the worst crime in history.

    French Zionist propagandist Claude Lanzmann, the producer of a long and unspeakably dull film about the h0Ɩ0cαųst (the title of this film is Shoa, the Hebrew word for "catastrophe", which is often used by Jєωs as a synonym for "h0Ɩ0cαųst") makes no effort to conceal that the h0Ɩ0cαųst cult is to replace Christianity:
    "If Auschwitz is something other than a horror of history, then Christianity totters in its foundations. Christ is the Son of God, who went to the end of the humanely endurable, where he endured the cruellest suffering. (...) If Auschwitz is true, then there is a human suffering with which that of Christ simply cannot be compared. (...) In this case, Christ is false, and salvation will not come from him. (...) Auschwitz is the refutation of Christ." (Les temps modernes, Paris, December 1993, p. 132, 133.)


    Nowadays, a large percentage of the Jєωs do not believe in God any more, but virtually all of them believe in the Six Million. The Zionist leadership cunningly exploits the h0Ɩ0cαųst to unite the World's Jєωs by keeping them in a constant state of hysteria and persecution mania, insinuating that only if the Jєωs stick together will they be able to ban the threat of a new h0Ɩ0cαųst.

    It goes without saying that very few Non-Jєωs are willing to embrace the murky h0Ɩ0cαųst religion. While the overwhelming majority of people in the West still believe that the official h0Ɩ0cαųst version is essentially true (even if they suspect that the figures might me somewhat inflated), they are thoroughly fed up with the eternal lamentation about Jєωιѕн victims and Jєωιѕн suffering. They simply don't want to hear it any more. In Germany, opinion polls showed that a vast majority of the population was against the planned h0Ɩ0cαųst monument in Berlin (which not a single major party, not a single leading politician and not a single big newspaper dared to oppose).

     Privately, the politicians are probably as profoundly disgusted with the endless h0Ɩ0cαųst litany as the rest of the population, but they cannot possibly afford to let the revisionists win because this would shatter the very foundations of the "democratic" system to which they own their careers and their wealth.

    b) The function of the h0Ɩ0cαųst in the world since 1945
    The political consequences of the h0Ɩ0cαųst since 1945 have been tremendous. When I speak about the "h0Ɩ0cαųst", I do not mean a historical fact, as the extermination of the Jєωs in chemical slaughterhouses did not actually take place. But in the mind of the populace, this extermination is as real as the Second World War or the Egyptian pyramids, while real genocides, such as the artificially provoked Ukrainian famine in which several million people were deliberately starved to death by the Communists in 1932/1933, are all but forgotten.

     Let us have a close look at these consequences:
    - The creation of the state of Israel "Without the h0Ɩ0cαųst, there would be no Jєωιѕн state." This candid statement was made by a Jєω, Robert Goldman (Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 19 December 1997, p. 9). Goldman was right. Without the h0Ɩ0cαųst, the world would never have permitted the founding of a Jєωιѕн state in Palestine three years after the war. The colonial era was coming to an end at this time. The British had already decided to give India her independence, while dozens of Asian and African territories were striving to shake off the rule of the White Man. While other powers were rushing to grant independence to their colonies, the Jєωs in Palestine were allowed to embark on a colonial adventure par excellence, with the blessing of both the West and the Soviet Union.
     In order to ensure that their state would have a Jєωιѕн majority, the Zionists proceeded with ruthless brutality; whole villages were levelled, thousands of Arabs were murdered (Deir Yassein was but one of many massacres), and a great proportion of the Palestinians were expelled from the land of their ancestors. The ones who remained behind have been subject to severe repression ever since. According to the very pro-Zionist Swiss weekly Die Weltwoche (22 October 1992), no less than 15.000 Palestinian political prisoners were languishing in Israeli jails in 1992, and the use of torture was officially sanctioned by the Israeli supreme court in November 1996. As I am writing these lines, Israeli soldiers are shooting unarmed Palestinian demonstrators, many of whom are children, every day.

    Jєωιѕн terror in occupied Palestine is not actually encouraged or approved by world opinion, but it is tolerated. After all, the Jєωιѕн people need a homeland to protect them from a new h0Ɩ0cαųst, and what are the sufferings of the Palestinians compared to those of the Jєωs under Hitler? Let us beware of illusions: As long as people in the West believe in the six million and the gas chambers, they will always support Israel in principle, even if they criticise the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians as being unnecessarily harsh.

    Without outside assistance, the Zionist parasite state would not be viable. Its chief source of revenue consists of financial injections from America, support from international Jєωry and German reparations. According to official sources, the Federal Republic of Germany had paid 85,4 billion Deutschmarks by 1992 (Der Spiegel, 18/1992), but the real sum is much higher. In addition, there have been enormous deliveries in the form of commodities. Nahum Goldmann, long-time chairman of the Jєωιѕн World Congress, made no secret of this fact; he wrote:
    "Without the German reparations that started coming during its first ten years as a state, Israel would not have half of its present infrastructure. All the trains are German, and the same goes for electrical installations and a great deal of Israel's industry" (Nahum Goldmann, Das juedische Paradox, Europaeische Verlagsanstalt, 1978, p. 171).

    In 1999, Germany provided Israel with ultra-modern submarines which can carry nuclear missiles. The Israelis did not have to pay a penny - the submarines were another token of German atonement for the h0Ɩ0cαųst!

    - Jєωιѕн Immunity of the Jєωs from criticism. Before 1945, criticism of Jєωs was legitimate. Today, that is no longer the case. Even the slightest criticism of Jєωιѕн power and Jєωιѕн arrogance - for example the heavy influence of the Jєωs in the mass media of the West, the staggeringly high number of Jєωs in the Clinton administration, or the impertinent behaviour of the Central Jєωιѕн Council in Germany - is immediately shouted down with screams about Auschwitz. The effectiveness of this intimidation is demonstrated by the following fact: The most obnoxious criminal organisation in the world is regularly referred to as the "Russian Mafia" although virtually all bosses are Jєωιѕн, often with Israeli passports. This is irrefutably demonstrated by Juergen Roth in his docuмentation Die Russen-Mafia (Rasch und Roehring, Hamburg 1996). The title of the book translates as "The Russian Mafia", for if it were "The Jєωιѕн Mafia", the author would have gone to a German jail, and his book would have been burnt. In today's Russia, five or six out of the seven big "oligarchs" who made their fabulous fortunes with money stolen from the Russian people are Jєωs. This is never mentioned in the Western media.

    - Creating contempt for the German nation. Since 1945, the German people have been branded with a mark of shame. Self-contempt and self-hatred is the prevailing trend, while self-respect and patriotism are held in contempt.
    After the 1991 war against Iraq, George Bush senior, who was then president of the USA, publicly spoke of a "nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr" which he did not care to define. As a matter of fact, the "nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr" means that America, as the undisputed superpower, can impose its policy and its dubious values on all other countries. And America is nowadays largely ruled by the Jєωs. (Even if Jєωιѕн influence is much less pervasive in the Republican party than in the Democratic one, the Jєωs still own virtually every major newspaper and most of the television chains so that no Republican president can afford to govern against them. In modern society, nobody can govern against the media, as Richard Nixon learned to his disadvantage a quarter of a century ago.)

    c) What would happen if the h0Ɩ0cαųst were publicly exposed as a fraud?
    If the h0Ɩ0cαųst were publicly exposed as a shameless fraud, if people all over the world learned that, while the Jєωs undoubtedly were brutally persecuted during the Second World War, there was no attempt to exterminate them, that the death factories, gas chambers and gas vans were a Jєωιѕн swindle, and that the six million figure was a fantastic exaggeration, the Zionist-led "nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr" would be all but finished.
    Germany would become ungovernable; the German people would feel nothing but hatred and contempt for the politicians, intellectuals and journalists who betrayed and humiliated them day after day. The whole establishment of the country would be hopelessly discredited. This the representatives of the establishment know. On August 15, 1994, journalist Patrick Bahners, commenting on the trial of revisionist Guenter Deckert who was sent to prison for "h0Ɩ0cαųst denial", wrote in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung: "If Deckert's attitude on the h0Ɩ0cαųst were correct, the Federal Republic of Germany would be based on a lie. Every presidential speech, every minute of silence, every history book would be a lie. Therefore, he [Deckert], by denying the genocide of the Jєωs, disputes the legitimicy of the Federal Republic of Germany." The problem could hardly be stated more aptly. Some German opinion makers now openly declare that the h0Ɩ0cαųst is the foundation of the post-war German state. This is shown by a quotation from the influential newspaper Die Welt (28 April 1994): "Whoever denies the truth about the National socialist extermination camps relinquishes the foundations upon which the Federal Republic of Germany was built."
    But also in other Western countries, the belief in the so-called "democratic system" would be profoundly shaken as people would ask themselves why this charade had to be propped up with censorship and naked terror for decades.
    While the consequences of a public exposure of the h0Ɩ0cαųst as a fraud would be most serious for the Western system as a whole, they would be catastrophic beyond repair for international Jєωry and the State of Israel. There would be a world-wide wave of anti-Jєωιѕн feeling, and no non-Jєω would be willing to support the Zionist parasite state any more. German reparations would stop overnight, and the USA would have to reduce its financial aid to Israel so drastically that it would be bankrupt after no more than a year. The Jєωs in Israel would be utterly demoralised, as they would instinctively understand that a state founded upon such a colossal fraud has no moral right to exist. Since the h0Ɩ0cαųst religion, which unites Jєωs all over the world, would collapse, international Jєωιѕн solidarity would be a thing of the past. And the anger of the Palestinians would assume gigantic dimensions as they would understand that they had their country stolen and their sons shot in the name of a lie.


    d) The ultimate weapon against Zionism and the state of Israel
    At the end of the year 2000, Israel is a besieged country, but from the military point of view, it is still vastly superior to its neighbours, and it enjoys the unconditional support of the United States. Should any of the Islamic states grow strong enough to seriously threaten Israel, it would most probably be attacked and militarily annihilated by America. Russia is not likely to risk a confrontation with the USA for the sake of the Palestinians. We can certainly admire the bravery of the Palestinians resistance fighters who are willing to sacrifice their lives to liberate their homeland from the alien intruders, but realistically, they have no chance to win. The Palestinians have stones and slings. The Israelis have helicopters and tanks. You can't destroy helicopters and tanks with stones and slings.
    When fighting one's enemy, one should always look for his weakest spot. The weakest spot of Israel, its Achilles heel, is the h0Ɩ0cαųst lie to which it owes its existence. The revisionists can give the adversaries of Israel and international Zionism a terrible weapon. It is quite true that many revisionists are by no means guided by political considerations. Some of them - Carlo Mattogno is a good example - are only motivated by intellectual curiosity: They want to ascertain what really happened to the Jєωs during the Second World War. But even if revisionism is not a political movement, its political implications are tremendous. The revisionists are endeavouring to find out the truth, and truth is the deadliest enemy of Israel and international Jєωry.

    Thus, the revisionists objectively work against Israel and Zionism, even if subjectively their goals are often purely scientific and devoid of any political ambition. This is, of course, the reason why they are persecuted and their books burnt in more and more countries.
    In view of the total Jєωιѕн media control and the ever-growing anti-revisionist repression in many Western countries, it is very difficult indeed to achieve a revisionist breakthrough. We revisionists are facing an uphill struggle which can only partly be explained by our total lack of financial resources. Fortunately the internet, which the Jєωs are unable to censure, has greatly improved our possibilities to make the results of our research known to the World, but all the same, we should not cherish naive illusions: Not every citizen of the Western world who is informed about the revisionist arguments will automatically become revisionist and anti-Zionist. The average person in the West - and particularly in Germany - has been so thoroughly brainwashed that a sudden exposure to the truth can provoke a nervous breakdown or stomach cramps. I have repeatedly witnessed this myself. Other people would gladly accept the truth about the h0Ɩ0cαųst, but as they know that even the slightest suspicion of revisionism leads to social ostracism, economic ruin and legal persecution, they understandably prefer not to get involved. However, if we want to win the war against those whom one of my Russian friends called "the enemies of God and mankind", we have no choice but to destroy the Big Lie, lest the Big Lie destroy us.

    The logical consequence of all this is that those countries which are authentically anti-Zionist and real friends of the oppressed Palestinian people should make the breakthrough of h0Ɩ0cαųst revisionism their foremost priority. A tank costs millions of dollars, yet one soldier can destroy it with a single missile. The revisionists can provide anti-Zionist freedom fighters with a weapon not even a thousand missiles can destroy.