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Offline Vintagewife3

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Re: What does it take to be a good husband, ladies?
« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2018, 02:33:58 PM »
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  • Asking complex advice about life in cyberspace is a total waste of time. Only by direct long term observation and friendship with an exemplar family can one learn how to behave.
    Horrific parents can be examples of what not to do.
    That’s not how it always works. I’m sure some people are able to break the cycle, but others have problems. That’s why child abuse can go on for generations before someone stops it. I think asking questions opens up ideas for research for what the church has to say, and the Bible.


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    Re: What does it take to be a good husband, ladies?
    « Reply #46 on: December 12, 2018, 02:36:37 PM »
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  • A man's constitution should never be based on females' emotions. To concede to female feelings is a recipe for disaster. Female emotions change like a river's undercurrent. The Lord God tells us in holy scripture that wives should fear their husbands. It doesn't say for wives to influence husband's decisions by emoting to them.

    Regarding children, they should, also, fear their fathers as much as they love him. One reason children are chaotic, undisciplined, disrespectful brats these days is because their false sense of "security" and willingness to engage in behaviors without accountability or fearing consequences is the result of not fearing their fathers (if they even have a father in the household).
    You know that has always bothered me. Why should I fear my spouse? I feared my first husband because my life was endanger, but I don’t fear this spouse. I will admit maybe I am being to literal with the word “fear”. So, please explain your interpretation.


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    Re: What does it take to be a good husband, ladies?
    « Reply #47 on: December 12, 2018, 04:09:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Last Tradhican on Today at 01:39:09 PM
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    Asking complex advice about life in cyberspace is a total waste of time. Only by direct long term observation and friendship with an exemplar family can one learn how to behave.

    That’s not how it always works. I’m sure some people are able to break the cycle, but others have problems. That’s why child abuse can go on for generations before someone stops it. I think asking questions opens up ideas for research for what the church has to say, and the Bible.
    Read again what I wrote.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: What does it take to be a good husband, ladies?
    « Reply #48 on: December 12, 2018, 05:16:47 PM »
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  • ha ha ... Your personality assessment aside, considering the videos Quid posted a few days ago from Pastor D's protege, I'd say there's a decent probability that Croix & Quid are the same person.

    hmmmm

    Well, you do have access to their IP addresses.

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    Re: What does it take to be a good husband, ladies?
    « Reply #49 on: December 12, 2018, 05:24:54 PM »
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  • You know that has always bothered me. Why should I fear my spouse?

    Because the Lord God tells women to fear their husbands: "Nevertheless let every one of you in particular love his wife as himself: and let the wife fear her husband." ~ Ephesians 5:33 (Douay-Rheims)

    If you have a problem with it, then you have a problem with the Holy Ghost Who is the Author of the Bible.

    Fear corrects behavior, thus harmony ensues. The Lord God still forgives sins through the Sacrament of Penance, even if the motivation of the penitent is fear of the Lord more than love for Him. That's how necessary fear is to the human condition. Of course, a more perfect contrition would stem from love for God, but contrition due to fear of God still suffices.

    The Catholic Church is the Bride of Christ, and we are to fear the Lord God as told in holy scripture. Our Blessed Mother tells us to fear Him: "And His mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear Him." ~ Luke 1:50 (Douay-Rheims)

    Listen to your Heavenly mother. She's the only woman whose counsel is foolproof.

    Likewise, the wife should fear her husband, lest she be rightfully corrected by her husband who, like a refiner of silver, should put her through the fire as to remove the impurities, and this would be painful, as to maintain their harmonious union as one (Ephesians 5:31) before the Lord God.  The husband must see his reflection in his wife, just as the Refiner of Silver (Malachi 3:3) must see His reflection in the silver. This can only happen when the silver is pure. Harmony in marriage is necessary for both husband and wife to support each other in their quest to Heaven.

    The word of God further tells us: Being subject one to another, in the FEAR of Christ. Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord: Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. He is the saviour of his body. Therefore as the church is subject to Christ, so also let the wives be to their husbands in all things. ~ Ephesians 5:21-24 (Douay-Rheims)

    A wife's true love for a her husband is best reflected by her obedience to him.  A woman who doesn't fear her husband, she doesn't truly love him, nor does she respect him. She thinks he's a joke, and he is a joke. Disobedience of the wife is sure to follow. Sooner or later, she'll clandestinely entice a man who has the disposition and willingness to put her in her place.  Such is the duality of woman. She disobeys her husband because he's a eunuch in the first place, yet she seeks a real man who will have no scruples in making her realize it's in her best interest and well being to be obedient to him.
    From the woman came the beginning of sin, and by her we all die. ~ Ecclesiasticus 25:33

    International Women's Day is a day we all celebrate Eve's rebellion at the Tree and our plummet into sin.


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    Re: What does it take to be a good husband, ladies?
    « Reply #50 on: December 12, 2018, 08:05:35 PM »
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  • Because the Lord God tells women to fear their husbands: "Nevertheless let every one of you in particular love his wife as himself: and let the wife fear her husband." ~ Ephesians 5:33 (Douay-Rheims)

    If you have a problem with it, then you have a problem with the Holy Ghost Who is the Author of the Bible.

    Fear corrects behavior, thus harmony ensues. The Lord God still forgives sins through the Sacrament of Penance, even if the motivation of the penitent is fear of the Lord more than love for Him. That's how necessary fear is to the human condition. Of course, a more perfect contrition would stem from love for God, but contrition due to fear of God still suffices.

    The Catholic Church is the Bride of Christ, and we are to fear the Lord God as told in holy scripture. Our Blessed Mother tells us to fear Him: "And His mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear Him." ~ Luke 1:50 (Douay-Rheims)

    Listen to your Heavenly mother. She's the only woman whose counsel is foolproof.

    Likewise, the wife should fear her husband, lest she be rightfully corrected by her husband who, like a refiner of silver, should put her through the fire as to remove the impurities, and this would be painful, as to maintain their harmonious union as one (Ephesians 5:31) before the Lord God.  The husband must see his reflection in his wife, just as the Refiner of Silver (Malachi 3:3) must see His reflection in the silver. This can only happen when the silver is pure. Harmony in marriage is necessary for both husband and wife to support each other in their quest to Heaven.

    The word of God further tells us: Being subject one to another, in the FEAR of Christ. Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord: Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. He is the saviour of his body. Therefore as the church is subject to Christ, so also let the wives be to their husbands in all things. ~ Ephesians 5:21-24 (Douay-Rheims)

    A wife's true love for a her husband is best reflected by her obedience to him.  A woman who doesn't fear her husband, she doesn't truly love him, nor does she respect him. She thinks he's a joke, and he is a joke. Disobedience of the wife is sure to follow. Sooner or later, she'll clandestinely entice a man who has the disposition and willingness to put her in her place.  Such is the duality of woman. She disobeys her husband because he's a eunuch in the first place, yet she seeks a real man who will have no scruples in making her realize it's in her best interest and well being to be obedient to him.
    So, if a wife doesn’t fear her husband, what happens then? I don’t fear my husband, but I do what we tell eachother out of respect not fear. 

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    Re: What does it take to be a good husband, ladies?
    « Reply #51 on: December 12, 2018, 08:12:16 PM »
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  • You know that has always bothered me. Why should I fear my spouse? I feared my first husband because my life was endanger, but I don’t fear this spouse. I will admit maybe I am being to literal with the word “fear”. So, please explain your interpretation.
    Fear does not necessarily lead to flight from danger, but healthy, holy fear leads us to feel discomfort at knowing that there may be an impending unpleasant correction.
    This ties in with your questions related to authority.
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    We are all under God's authority.
    For this reason we fear God.
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    Wives are under the authority of their husbands.
    For this reason wives fear their husbands.
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    Children are under the authority of their parents.  
    For this reason children fear their parents.
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    This is a similar question that you have asked on another thread where you said:

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    How do all of you handle noisy toddlers in church?
    If the child does not fear the parent the result of his upbringing could be disastrous - as we see all around us in society.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: What does it take to be a good husband, ladies?
    « Reply #52 on: December 12, 2018, 08:57:14 PM »
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  • Uhm, the word fear in this context refers to respect and submission rather than fear as of an abuser.


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    Re: What does it take to be a good husband, ladies?
    « Reply #53 on: December 12, 2018, 09:31:56 PM »
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  • Fear does not necessarily lead to flight from danger, but healthy, holy fear leads us to feel discomfort at knowing that there may be an impending unpleasant correction.
    I don’t believe that is the correct motivation. 
    I do not fear an ‘impending unpleasant correction’ from my husband. 
    Fear of disappointing him, now that I can see. 
    And it is similar with God, it is more of a fear of disappointment in my selfish actions, and not a potential correction or punishment. 
    Positive, healthy love, not negative. 

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    Re: What does it take to be a good husband, ladies?
    « Reply #54 on: December 12, 2018, 10:00:55 PM »
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  • I don’t believe that is the correct motivation.
    I do not fear an ‘impending unpleasant correction’ from my husband.
    Fear of disappointing him, now that I can see.
    And it is similar with God, it is more of a fear of disappointment in my selfish actions, and not a potential correction or punishment.
    Positive, healthy love, not negative.
    VW3 seems to be confused about what is meant by fear. We are to fear God. How is that wrong motivation? I did not use the word punishment. Selfish actions need correction. Correction is a loving, not negative, action.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: What does it take to be a good husband, ladies?
    « Reply #55 on: December 12, 2018, 10:28:30 PM »
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  • VW3 seems to be confused about what is meant by fear. We are to fear God. How is that wrong motivation? I did not use the word punishment. Selfish actions need correction. Correction is a loving, not negative, action.
    I was speaking from personal experience that for me it comes from a positive place, that fear of disappointing my husband is healthier, and not a fear of correction which to me seems negative. Perhaps there is a definition by The Church of what kind of fear Scripture is referring to in regards to wives and their husbands.  


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    Re: What does it take to be a good husband, ladies?
    « Reply #56 on: December 12, 2018, 11:39:49 PM »
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  • Carissima, this is what St Paul teaches in Chapter 5 of his Epistle to the Ephesians:

    [24] Therefore as the church is subject to Christ, so also let the wives be to their husbands in all things.[25] Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himself up for it: [26] That he might sanctify it, cleansing it by the laver of water in the word of life: [27] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy, and without blemish. [28] So also ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife, loveth himself. [29] For no man ever hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, as also Christ doth the church: [30] Because we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. [31] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall be two in one flesh. [32] This is a great sacrament; but I speak in Christ and in the church. [33] Nevertheless let every one of you in particular love his wife as himself: and let the wife fear her husband.

    [24] "Church is subject to Christ": The church then, according to St. Paul, is ever obedient to Christ, and can never fall from him, but remain faithful to him, unspotted and unchanged to the end of the world.

    How beautiful! 
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: What does it take to be a good husband, ladies?
    « Reply #57 on: December 13, 2018, 07:42:21 AM »
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  • All this advice might just be coming from unemployed unmarried childless men (and women) in their underwear from their basement computer. What at waste of time on minute details.  

    Like I said, go by a real example you can actually see and talk to over time, in every situation and obstacle. Go to people who are examples of what you want to be and make friends with them and learn from them. The more friends the better.
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: What does it take to be a good husband, ladies?
    « Reply #58 on: December 13, 2018, 09:02:21 AM »
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  • Uhm, the word fear in this context refers to respect and submission rather than fear as of an abuser.

    You talk like a Protestant. Try reading a Catholic Bible, not the Protestant translations that water down and misinterpret the true scriptures.
    From the woman came the beginning of sin, and by her we all die. ~ Ecclesiasticus 25:33

    International Women's Day is a day we all celebrate Eve's rebellion at the Tree and our plummet into sin.

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    Re: What does it take to be a good husband, ladies?
    « Reply #59 on: December 13, 2018, 09:08:52 AM »
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  • And it is similar with God, it is more of a fear of disappointment in my selfish actions, and not a potential correction or punishment.

    Then you don't believe in La Salette, Fatima, and the Biblical history of the Lord God's punishments upon man.

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    Positive, healthy love, not negative.

    Your way of thinking is flawed on this matter, for it comes from a Greek "rational" way of thought, and not from a Hebrew way of thinking that was employed when the scriptures were written, for all of the testimonies in the Bible are from Hebrews. Much of Western thinking is shaped by Greek "reasoning" and "logic". This is a problem when reading and interpreting the scriptures that recorded events from a Hebrew state of mind and experience.

    Punishment from God (and husband towards wife as commissioned by God) is a JUST punishment. Period. It has NOTHING to do with "positive" or "negative". Those are false Greek constructs that distort the true meaning of God's word.
    From the woman came the beginning of sin, and by her we all die. ~ Ecclesiasticus 25:33

    International Women's Day is a day we all celebrate Eve's rebellion at the Tree and our plummet into sin.