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What does it really mean - Allahu Akbar?
« on: October 31, 2017, 04:10:40 PM »
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  • This Allahu Akbar - Allah Akbar as can also be reported - when a terrorist yells it, reporters will say it means "God is great."

    But does it not really mean, "Allah is the greatest?"  Or, "Allah is the one god?"

    In other words, Allah is the only god, better than "your" God - he is the supreme god...?

    Don't they really misinterpret it?  It is a war cry, a challenge to Christians. 
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: What does it really mean - Allahu Akbar?
    « Reply #1 on: October 31, 2017, 04:29:22 PM »
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  • 1. Al - Mutakabbir: "Supreme in Greatness".
    2. Al - Azim: "The Incomparably Great".
    3. Al - Kabir: "The Most Great".

    Who's "they"?
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    Re: What does it really mean - Allahu Akbar?
    « Reply #2 on: October 31, 2017, 04:36:44 PM »
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  • Reporters, news people, DZ.  I assumed you were smart enough to know that without me spelling it out.  My mistake.
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: What does it really mean - Allahu Akbar?
    « Reply #3 on: October 31, 2017, 04:51:12 PM »
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  • Reporters, news people, DZ.  I assumed you were smart enough to know that without me spelling it out.  My mistake.
    Ah well, hopefully you'll know better next time and not make that mistake again; "Live and learn".

    You're again so super sweet to think so highly of me, that I would know that this was intended for me for you to make the additional assumption in the first place, and for the writing of it.

    (((Merry)))

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    Re: What does it really mean - Allahu Akbar?
    « Reply #4 on: October 31, 2017, 04:52:06 PM »
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  • This Allahu Akbar - Allah Akbar as can also be reported - when a terrorist yells it, reporters will say it means "God is great."

    But does it not really mean, "Allah is the greatest?"  Or, "Allah is the one god?"

    In other words, Allah is the only god, better than "your" God - he is the supreme god...?

    Don't they really misinterpret it?  It is a war cry, a challenge to Christians.
    It's also used by Arabic-speaking Christians and the Semitic-derived Maltese (Alla hu kbir). 
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    Re: What does it really mean - Allahu Akbar?
    « Reply #5 on: October 31, 2017, 04:54:19 PM »
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  • It's also used by Arabic-speaking Christians and the Semitic-derived Maltese (Alla hu kbir).
    "kbr" (not correcting, just emphasizing the root)

    "Allah" abjad equivalent numeric = 66, I think.
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    Re: What does it really mean - Allahu Akbar?
    « Reply #6 on: October 31, 2017, 07:04:21 PM »
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  • Reporters, news people, DZ.  I assumed you were smart enough to know that without me spelling it out.  My mistake.
    When you use the word "they", it should have an antecedent, then of course there would be no need to ask. I would have thought that an educated person would know that. 
    I would never have thought you were talking about "reporters, news people" You could have meant Muslims, no? They is what I assumed you meant.
    The word Allah means God and is used by Christian Arabs in the same way as we use to word God. "God" can be translated into other languages and still mean "God" as we mean it. 

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    Re: What does it really mean - Allahu Akbar?
    « Reply #7 on: October 31, 2017, 07:36:14 PM »
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  • When you use the word "they", it should have an antecedent, then of course there would be no need to ask. I would have thought that an educated person would know that.
    I would never have thought you were talking about "reporters, news people" You could have meant Muslims, no? They is what I assumed you meant.
    The word Allah means God and is used by Christian Arabs in the same way as we use to word God. "God" can be translated into other languages and still mean "God" as we mean it.
    Ah, so; then there's, for another example, this...
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    Re: What does it really mean - Allahu Akbar?
    « Reply #8 on: October 31, 2017, 08:06:53 PM »
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  • It means trouble on the Haji Express.........................

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    Re: What does it really mean - Allahu Akbar?
    « Reply #9 on: October 31, 2017, 09:59:04 PM »
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    I heard on reliable testimony that a priest performing an exorcism demanded of the devil under subjection that he reveal what his name is and the devil replied that his name is "Allah." In that context a possessing devil is not able to lie, and must divulge his real name.
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    Being in power of the Church to BIND the devil, the priest then made the devil promise to demonstrate some time in the future when the priest would invoke him to show his effect on other people. This was done during the exorcism, and the exorcism was completed effectively.
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    A few weeks later, the same priest was in Saudi Arabia overlooking a public square with hundreds of people walking around in the area before him as he looked out upon them from a higher level, out of a window. The priest invoked the devil he had exorcised by name, commanding him to show his power over all those people walking to and fro outside in the plaza. Immediately, all the walking people stopped in their tracks, and turned to stare for a second or two in the direction of the priest up in that window. Then they all turned forward again and resumed their walking as though they were entirely unaware of having paused just then.
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    Think of it as a flash mob acting on cue, but without having planned on doing so.
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    The priest was convinced of the power Allah the devil has over people of that region and it should never be underestimated, for they know not what influence it is that they are under.
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    Re: What does it really mean - Allahu Akbar?
    « Reply #10 on: October 31, 2017, 10:39:30 PM »
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  • Lepanto, Gulf of Patras, 1571.

    In response to shouts of "Allahu akbar", the Holy League fleet was chanting "Famagusta" as a reminder of the recent Turkish massacre.

    Excerpts from the Battle of Lepanto: Link

    "From daybreak, however, divine favor seemed to manifest itself. It was a Sunday, the feast of St. Justina, and on each of the ships there was a monk or priest to provide spiritual support; Don John had long before ordered that mass was to be celebrated before any battle began. On every deck, the men stood in their armor with their weapons, then knelt for the holy office. Wisps of incense rose from each ship, scenting the air before being carried away by the wind. As the mass began, the Ottoman ships came into sight of the great Christian fleet, and observing the calm and stillness of the ships at rest in the water, thought that terror now gripped the Western armada."

    "On Ali Pasha’s vessels, extended in a long line like the Christians opposite, drums started to beat and the thousands of waiting soldiers to chant as one the verses from the Holy Qur’an, with the steady refrain “Allahu akbar, “God is great.” They stamped their feet and clashed their swords on their shields. On the ships that had musicians, cymbals and horns added to the swelling sound."

    "Don Juan had said to them in the hour before the battle began:" “My children, we are here to conquer or to die as Heaven may determine. Do not let our impious foe ask us, ‘Where is your God?’ Fight in His holy name and in death or in victory you will win immortality.”



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    Re: What does it really mean - Allahu Akbar?
    « Reply #11 on: October 31, 2017, 11:05:56 PM »
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    While certain Eastern Catholics call God's name "Allah" the Moslems who call out the same name hate the word "Trinity" even if they don't know what it means.
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    When Moslems say "Allah" they may think they're referring to God but in reality they are deceived by the devil who goes by that name, Allah.
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    I got a dollar bill with an ink rubber stamp on it, "NO GOD BUT ALLAH" so I wrote on it, "BUT ALLAH IS A DEVIL."

    I spent the dollar and never saw it again.
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    It's silly to write on a dollar bill in the first place but I couldn't let that one get by me.
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    I recommend everyone who sees that on a dollar should write like I did, because Moslems could be writing like this on our money.
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    They would keep it up unless they are stopped in their tracks, and writing "BUT ALLAH IS A DEVIL" is something they don't want to see in print.
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    Exorcise the money!
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    Re: What does it really mean - Allahu Akbar?
    « Reply #12 on: November 01, 2017, 12:14:18 AM »
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    I heard on reliable testimony that a priest performing an exorcism demanded of the devil under subjection that he reveal what his name is and the devil replied that his name is "Allah." In that context a possessing devil is not able to lie, and must divulge his real name.
    .
    Being in power of the Church to BIND the devil, the priest then made the devil promise to demonstrate some time in the future when the priest would invoke him to show his effect on other people. This was done during the exorcism, and the exorcism was completed effectively.
    .
    A few weeks later, the same priest was in Saudi Arabia overlooking a public square with hundreds of people walking around in the area before him as he looked out upon them from a higher level, out of a window. The priest invoked the devil he had exorcised by name, commanding him to show his power over all those people walking to and fro outside in the plaza. Immediately, all the walking people stopped in their tracks, and turned to stare for a second or two in the direction of the priest up in that window. Then they all turned forward again and resumed their walking as though they were entirely unaware of having paused just then.
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    Think of it as a flash mob acting on cue, but without having planned on doing so.
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    The priest was convinced of the power Allah the devil has over people of that region and it should never be underestimated, for they know not what influence it is that they are under.
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    The Devil is still a liar. He was saying that he was God.

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    Re: What does it really mean - Allahu Akbar?
    « Reply #13 on: November 01, 2017, 01:56:48 AM »
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  • It mean war on Christians. 
    Arab Christians should stop saying it because they invoke the devil. 
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    Re: What does it really mean - Allahu Akbar?
    « Reply #14 on: November 01, 2017, 02:39:04 AM »
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    Allah: The name of God in Arabic 
    • Etymology/Composition of: It is a compound word from the article, ‘al, and ilah, divinity, and signifies “the god” par excellence. 
    This form of the divine name is in itself a sure proof that ilah was at one time an appellative, common to all the local and tribal gods. Gradually, with the addition of the article, it was restricted to one of them who took precedence of the others; finally, with the triumph of monotheism, He was recognized as the only true God. 

    In one form or another this Hebrew root occurs in all Semitic languages as a designation of the Divinity; but whether it was originally a proper name, pointing to a primitive monotheism, with subsequent deviation into polytheism and further rehabilitation, or was from the beginning an appellative which became a proper name only when the Semites had reached monotheism is a much debated question. 

    It is certain, however, that before the time of Mohammed, owing to their contact with Jews and Christians, the Arabs were generally monotheists. 

    The notion of Allah in Arabic theology is substantially the same as that of God among the Jews, and also among the Christians, with the exception of the Trinity, which is positively excluded in the Koran, cxii: “Say God, is one God, the eternal God, he begetteth not, neither is he begotten and there is not any one like unto him.” 

    His attributes denied by the heterodox Motazilites, are ninety-nine in number. Each one of them is represented by a bead in the Moslem chaplet, while on the one hundredth and larger bead, the name of Allah itself is pronounced. 

    It is preposterous to assert with Curtiss (Ursemitische Religion, 119) that the nomadic tribes of Arabia, consider seriously the Oum-el-Gheith, “mother of the rain,” as the bride of Allah and even if the expression were used such symbolical language would not impair, in the least, the purity of monotheism held by those tribes.[1] 
    Let it be noted that although Allah is an Arabic term, it is used by all Moslems, whatever be their language, as the name of God. 

    R. BUTIN[2] [3] 

    References
    • ^  1. (Cf. Revue Biblique, Oct., 1906, 580 sqq.)
    • ^  2. Entry: Allah f/ "THE CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: AN INTERNATIONAL WORK OF REFERENCE ON THE CONSTITUTION, DOCTRINE, DISCIPLINE, AND HISTORY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH" by Herbermann, Charles G. © 1907 to 1914 Encyclopedia Press, Inc., New York, US. CENSOR / NIHIL OBSTAT: NOVEMBER 1, 1907 REMY LAFORT, S.T.D. IMPRIMATUR: +JOHN CARDINAL FARLEY ARCHBISHOP OF NEW YORK
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