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Offline cassini

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What does 'the gates of hell shall not prevail' mean?
« on: October 20, 2018, 05:17:23 AM »
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  • For a hundred years now, Catholicism has lost billions of souls due to Modernism, beginning with the elimination of God from His creation via heliocentrism, long-ages uniformitarianism and evolution, all taken aboard as truths by Popes. Then came Vatican II that destroyed many other traditional Catholic dogmas, teachings and tenets. Once the NO Mass was ordered into all Catholic Churches by more popes, even sacramentals went into skips and churches were turned into hotel lobbies. Finally, today's hierarchy is run by ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs while the traditional practicing Catholic population is down to a few.
    It seems to me the gates of hell have long prevailed in the Church but on faith I must believe they have not. So, what needs to happen for the gates of hell to prevail?


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    Re: What does 'the gates of hell shall not prevail' mean?
    « Reply #1 on: October 20, 2018, 10:03:10 AM »
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  • If the gates of Hell did prevail (had prevailed), it would mean that there was no one (but especially among the clergy, representing that Church) who believed and practiced the True Faith any longer.  But this has never been true in Church history -- never, and it is not true today.
     
    "Hell not prevailing"  does not mean that those of the True Faith will be in the majority, or that the Pope will be close to an ideal Pope (or even a good leader).  That's not what the word "prevail" means.  

    The mere fact that the restoration is very slowly but very steadily growing means that Hell has not prevailed.  The battle is just working toward intensity because the forces of Hell are also getting stronger at the same time.


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    Re: What does 'the gates of hell shall not prevail' mean?
    « Reply #2 on: October 20, 2018, 10:38:09 AM »
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  • From the scriptural annotations of Matthew 16:18:

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    18. Gates of Hell: Because the Church is resembled to a house or a city, the adversary powers also be likened to a contrary house or town, the gates whereof, that is to say, the fortitude of impugnations shall never prevail against the city of Christ. And so by this promise, we are assured that no heresies nor other wicked attempts can prevail against the Church builded upon Peter, which the Fathers call Peters see and the Roman Church. Count (saith St. Augustine) the Priests from the very See of Peter, and in that order of fathers consider who to whom hath succeeded, that sames is the rock which the proud gates of Hell do not overcome. And in another place, that it is which hath obtained the top of authority. Heretics in vain barking round about it.  

    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: What does 'the gates of hell shall not prevail' mean?
    « Reply #3 on: October 20, 2018, 02:53:06 PM »
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  • The Book of Daniel says "The eternal sacrifice will be ended." This means the eternal sacrifice to God, the Holy Mass (the sole means by which grace enters the world) will be ended. And yet, if only one faithful Catholic remains, the gates of hell will not have prevailed.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

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    Re: What does 'the gates of hell shall not prevail' mean?
    « Reply #4 on: October 20, 2018, 04:17:27 PM »
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  • ... while the traditional practicing Catholic population is down to a few.

    I have been wondering about you, Cassini, and how you cope with your great knowledge, why I admire.  But it doesn't always augur well for the one with more knowledge than Joe Average, and can lead to a loss of confidence in the Church.  
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    The above snippet  is appropriately called "remnant". 
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    "Even so then at this present time also, there is a remnant saved according to the election of grace." Romans 11.5
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    Re: What does 'the gates of hell shall not prevail' mean?
    « Reply #5 on: October 21, 2018, 10:12:25 AM »
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  • So, what needs to happen for the gates of hell to prevail?
    In the end, Satan would need to emerge the Victor - which can never happen.

    I like this snip from a sermon given by Fr. Wathen that I think applies to this subject:

    "....We have reason to celebrate at all times because as you know, even though we commemorate the sorrowful event of Our Lord’s Passion and death, and even though we live in a very sad situation, we realize that our sorrow is not that of complete tragedy. We might even use the expression, “The Divine Comedy”, of which we are players, because everything that happens is under the Divine Control. And even though there is much sin and there is real tragedy, the only real tragedy and the only irreparable tragedy of course being the loss of a soul, and this actually happens.

    But as far as creation is concerned and our part in it, we do not really recognize any tragedy because we anticipate salvation. We have no reason to disbelieve that Almighty God does not intend to save us. Not that we are not able to lose our own souls, but we recognize that we are serious about being saved. We intend to be and we have reason to rejoice that Almighty God has shown us such mercy.

    Among all the mysteries that we live amongst, is that of the fact that God saves those whom He wills. And yet those who are lost are lost because they will. No one is saved against his will and no one is damned against his will. At the same time almighty God has known from all eternity who would be His whom he would succeed in saving. And all the jubilation that the Church expresses in its many Masses and in its Office, is over the fact that those whom God regards as His elect will be saved.

    Furthermore, that no matter how much tragedy with which history is strewn, Christ moves towards His glorious triumph. With His resurrection was the announcement that He would have his victory, when he emerged from the tomb He proved that there was no force, no power greater than He, and he proved that if He was invincible, then that which He would establish is also invincible, namely His Church.

    It really does not matter therefore that throughout history the Church suffer terrific blows, that it at times – and these times almost have always prevailed – that the Church suffer it’s terrible embarrassments, it’s setbacks.

    Despite all this, despite all appearances and despite whatever losses, Christ is triumphing in the Church and He is proving His power, His invincibility and He is succeeding in doing what He came to the world to achieve, and God the Father is fulfilling the purposes of His creation.

    If it were not so, He would never have created anything to begin with. If it could be, that Almighty God could set in motion anything out of which He could not draw whatever He wished, then He would never had done anything like that and He indeed would not be infinite in the first place.

    We have it in our power to participate, or we have it in our choice to be turned away, it is strictly within our choice, and whatever grace is necessary is within our grasp...."
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: What does 'the gates of hell shall not prevail' mean?
    « Reply #6 on: October 21, 2018, 11:45:16 AM »
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  • Many thanks for your replies friends, all make perfect sense and amswered the question asked, especially the fact that the teachings and dogmas of the Church are without change, cannot change, forever even unto the end of the world.

    Of all the above however, there is one (Cera's) that I experienced today and can associate with, the traditional Holy sacrifice of the Mass. Having survived Cromwell in my country and Vatican II and its Modernism, thanks to Archbishop Lefebvre, just as the divinity of Christ survived the Airian heresy by way of St Athanasius of Alexandria, it is an example of Christ's promise. As I saw the priest ascend to Christ's altar 2018 years after He died on the Cross, it answered my question for me. The gates of Hell will not prevail.