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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: what do you believe about ghosts? demons?
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2017, 12:07:04 AM »
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  • Something really different happened to me, JUST THIS MORNING.  

    Every morning I wake up and its still dark, outside, I like to sit on my couch with a cup of coffee and think about my morning prayers, that I myself have composed, they usually take about 30 minutes to finish unless I fall back to sleep in the middle of them.  

    Today, I was there on the couch and I kept feeling a cold breeze on my face, it was really strange because of it although it was cold it was also comforting, and gentle; I wanted more and more of it.  It was like a warm sort of cold if that makes sense.  

    I closed my eyes and just sat there very still and wondered ... what that was?  After a while, it went away, and I started my day.
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    I think it was your guardian angel comforting you in your morning meditation but keeping you awake.
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    It's best to remain wakeful while you meditate and your desire to avoid dozing off is being rewarded!
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    It seems to me that your wanting more and more of it is like your angel wanting more and more of your meditation.
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    Because to your angel, your prayers are like a warm sort of cold breeze -- it's a message for you.
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    Re: what do you believe about ghosts? demons?
    « Reply #31 on: December 24, 2017, 01:21:31 AM »
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  • I think people are possessed.  Sometimes they seem kind but they aren't.  I have been noticing many people using devil hand gestures in everyday conversation.  They make up excuse that is sign for love.  

    It seems like people are being used by the devil to interfere with us during Christmas.  






    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: what do you believe about ghosts? demons?
    « Reply #32 on: December 24, 2017, 08:42:38 AM »
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    I think it was your guardian angel comforting you in your morning meditation but keeping you awake.
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    It's best to remain wakeful while you meditate and your desire to avoid dozing off is being rewarded!
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    It seems to me that your wanting more and more of it is like your angel wanting more and more of your meditation.
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    Because to your angel, your prayers are like a warm sort of cold breeze -- it's a message for you.
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    Thank you so much Neil, you will never know how much that means to me.
    Merry Christmas to you and all your loved ones. 
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    Re: what do you believe about ghosts? demons?
    « Reply #33 on: December 24, 2017, 07:36:07 PM »
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  • Thank you so much Neil, you will never know how much that means to me.
    Merry Christmas to you and all your loved ones.
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    Oh, I have a pretty good idea already. Glad to be of service. It's nice to be appreciated!!  :farmer:
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    And the Merriest of Christmases to you and yours, Myrna. You have a fortunate family, like I told you 5 years ago!!
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    Re: what do you believe about ghosts? demons?
    « Reply #34 on: December 25, 2017, 12:43:26 AM »
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  • I think people are possessed.  Sometimes they seem kind but they aren't.  I have been noticing many people using devil hand gestures in everyday conversation.  They make up excuse that is sign for love.  

    It seems like people are being used by the devil to interfere with us during Christmas.  
    I always wondered about that, but apparently the hand sign for "love you" involves the thumb sticking out and the hand sign for the "devil's horns" involves the thumb being bent over the two fingers brought into the palm.  

    If that isn't enough, many people interpret the devil's horn sign to mean "rock on."  

    I think it's been overused to the point of being meaningless.  Yet, it is still used in Wicca and they don't mean rock on and of course, Black Sabbath, the band that popularized it, certainly meant for it to have an evil meaning.  


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    Re: what do you believe about ghosts? demons?
    « Reply #35 on: December 27, 2017, 05:30:49 PM »
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  • Yeah, I think a lot of people believe in what they call, "a punishing god."  Of course there's two types of people who say that:  one who just want to do whatever they want and two, those who see God like abusive parents, corrupt judges, degenerate leaders, debauched teachers and all decrepate authorities who often over-react/neglect them when they sin, make mistakes or need help.  

    I think Satan, our flesh and The World will use that to try and get us to turn away from God.  Satan wants to drag us to Hell, our flesh wants to be free of God's Law and so does The World.  So, that evil triad will use scandalous things like that to decieve us.  

    If God is unjust, then He doesn't deserve our fidelity.  If He is just, then He does.  So, we must remember that although people often treat us unjustly, God never does.  However, our own fears and resentments can corrupt our thinking and perceptions.  So we must be ever vigilant.  


    I didn't get the Gomer images and etc?
    anyway, yeh. I don't believe God is degenerate or anything... except that, well, 2b honest I have had the thought that he is against me.. more than a few times here & there throughout life.. so maybe I can't say that I never thought  something along those lines.
    Anyway... yeh, I sometimes think the devil disguises himself (well i know he does) and wants us to get angry at God for all the evil in our lives... But then on the other hand, who can say that God does this or doesn't do that?
    I mean, if God wants to ... well, you know.. He caused Jesus to cry out
    Why have you abandoned me?
    which cry I believe was also what Jesus knew that we ourselves would cry out (we followers of him.. being persecuted)

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    Re: what do you believe about ghosts? demons?
    « Reply #36 on: December 27, 2017, 05:32:16 PM »
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  • I think people are possessed.  Sometimes they seem kind but they aren't.  I have been noticing many people using devil hand gestures in everyday conversation.  They make up excuse that is sign for love.  

    It seems like people are being used by the devil to interfere with us during Christmas.  
    those cheerful ones are the worst of all, usually.
    I have an aversion to people who seem overly cheerful
    I mean what does anyone have to be so cheerful about? abortion is legal, people are evil and hateful toward ea other... and Jesus does not seem  2b coming back too soon...
    :-[

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    Re: what do you believe about ghosts? demons?
    « Reply #37 on: December 28, 2017, 12:07:52 AM »
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  • I didn't get the Gomer images and etc?
    anyway, yeh. I don't believe God is degenerate or anything... except that, well, 2b honest I have had the thought that he is against me.. more than a few times here & there throughout life.. so maybe I can't say that I never thought  something along those lines.
    Anyway... yeh, I sometimes think the devil disguises himself (well i know he does) and wants us to get angry at God for all the evil in our lives... But then on the other hand, who can say that God does this or doesn't do that?
    I mean, if God wants to ... well, you know.. He caused Jesus to cry out
    Why have you abandoned me?
    which cry I believe was also what Jesus knew that we ourselves would cry out (we followers of him.. being persecuted)
    Yeah, I think I get those feelings myself sometimes to, without thinking about it.  Of course, I correct myself, but I don't think I realized the connection, until reading your post.  Thanks!

    Life is hard;  of this there can be no doubt.  

    The Gomer thing is like, faith is always a struggle and I thought that was a good pep talk he gave him.  


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    Re: what do you believe about ghosts? demons?
    « Reply #38 on: December 28, 2017, 01:22:36 PM »
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  • Yeah, I think I get those feelings myself sometimes to, without thinking about it.  Of course, I correct myself, but I don't think I realized the connection, until reading your post.  Thanks!

    Life is hard;  of this there can be no doubt.  

    The Gomer thing is like, faith is always a struggle and I thought that was a good pep talk he gave him.  
    thanks for implying that i w as helpful. I don't get feedback often on things i say.. kinda makes things more... makes sufferings more bearable to know that having dealt  w/ them this or that way helps someone else... or whatever
    still dont get the Gomer thing  LOL
    but that must have been some show he did that wasn't part of Gomer Pyle USMC?
    what was the pep talk about? God?

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    Re: what do you believe about ghosts? demons?
    « Reply #39 on: December 28, 2017, 05:54:08 PM »
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  • I tend to think that "ghosts" are really demonic spirits somehow allowed to visit Earth

    but I have heard such things as .. when they manifest, they are trying to get our attention bc they need our help

    I am wondering what catholics think?
    Personally , I have never seen anything paranormal or anything that could be considered other-worldy or "ghost" like. Ever.
    Not saying that nothing doesn't exist, just nothing from my own personal experience from a sort of long time on this earth and been around a lot of it.Which to me is sort of strange being somewhat spiritual and a traditional catholic and I'm not doubting anyone else's expierence, it's just i've never seen or felt anything other than what exist around me with my own senses.
    Truth is, I don't go looking for ghosts or demons and certainly don't dabble in the supernatural if I can help it. I actually have a lot of doubt at times that any of it is real anyway, sort of ironic being religious and still practicing my faith at the same time. I have every reason to have doubt and be an atheist, yet still cling to the hope in the eternal. 
    Now that's faith! :)

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    Re: what do you believe about ghosts? demons?
    « Reply #40 on: December 28, 2017, 10:34:02 PM »
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  • thanks for implying that i w as helpful. I don't get feedback often on things i say.. kinda makes things more... makes sufferings more bearable to know that having dealt  w/ them this or that way helps someone else... or whatever
    still dont get the Gomer thing  LOL
    but that must have been some show he did that wasn't part of Gomer Pyle USMC?
    what was the pep talk about? God?
    Your welcome.  

    I think Gomer was letting his fears rule over him and he needed some encouragment and inspiration.  


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    Re: what do you believe about ghosts? demons?
    « Reply #41 on: December 29, 2017, 03:12:44 PM »
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  • Your welcome.  

    I think Gomer was letting his fears rule over him and he needed some encouragment and inspiration.  
    could you go over that?
    I mean, I don't normally get sound or CC to watch a video

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    Re: what do you believe about ghosts? demons?
    « Reply #42 on: December 29, 2017, 08:48:50 PM »
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  • could you go over that?
    I mean, I don't normally get sound or CC to watch a video
    Here's the transcript from youtube.  An elderly male officer approaches Gomer Pyle and asks him is there's something wrong... 
    something wrong marine yes sir hey you
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    better get to bed boy sounds like you
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    got a bad cold
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    it ain't a cold oh then what is it
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    it's long story well I got lots of time
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    what's the matter well it was it was
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    this big Navy relief show tonight and
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    that's the whole story I got so scared I
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    lost my voice and I can't sing a Note. 
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    you know something friend, when I sat
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    down here it was because I felt sorry
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    for you but I'm not anymore
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    I'm really not, the ones I feel sorry for
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    are the people who were counting on you
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    sergeant Carter the audience they're the
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    ones you're letting down.  but I can't
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    help it
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    I'm frightened frightened right now it's
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    the biggest thing in my life. well maybe
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    so but I can't sympathize with you too
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    much. now you take him there (abraham lincoln)
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    he had a lot more to worry about than
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    facing an audience he had great
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    decisions to make and he must have been
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    frightened and unsure of himself many a
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    time but he didn't let it stop him from
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    doing what he had to do.  but he was a
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    great man and I'm no hero.  you know what
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    I figure a hero is it's a man doing the
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    job he has to do the best he knows how
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    you think about that. (gomer reads inscription on lincoln momunent)
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    four score and seven years ago our
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    fathers brought forth on this continent
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    a new nation conceived in Liberty and
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    dedicated to the proposition that all
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    men are created equal (his voice comes back) 
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    Sgt. Carter I got my
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    voice back!!  
    ...(gomer pyle enters the stage to sing "The Impossible Dream," from Don Quixote)
    our next performer is
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    marine private first class Gomer Pyle
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    and so ladies and gentlemen I am
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    proud to present marine private first
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    class Gomer Pyle  (then he sings and impresses the orchestra and audience with his performance)  
    To get the full effect, you should go to the library and watch it.  

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    Re: what do you believe about ghosts? demons?
    « Reply #43 on: December 30, 2017, 12:42:55 AM »
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    In 1938 the Welles War of the Worlds radio drama evoked a number of emergency phone calls from listeners.
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    The War of the Worlds is an episode of the American radio drama anthology series The Mercury Theatre on the Air. It was performed as a Halloween episode of the series on Sunday, October 30, 1938, and aired over the Columbia Broadcasting System radio network. Directed and narrated by actor and future filmmaker Orson Welles, the episode was an adaptation of H. G. Wells' novel The War of the Worlds (1898 ). It became famous for allegedly causing mass panic, although the scale of the panic is disputed as the program had relatively few listeners.

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    People called their local police stations reporting they had seen space ships and Martians. Some complained they were suffering the effects of poison gas that they could smell in the air. The people making the complaints were sincerely convinced they were seeing and sensing these things. But exactly what it was that they saw and felt has never been determined, since there were no Martians, no space ships and no poison gas.
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    Re: what do you believe about ghosts? demons?
    « Reply #44 on: January 03, 2018, 03:06:27 PM »
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  • I tend to think that "ghosts" are really demonic spirits somehow allowed to visit Earth

    but I have heard such things as .. when they manifest, they are trying to get our attention bc they need our help

    I am wondering what catholics think?

    Paukla Haigh's Fairyland is Hell, Magic is demon power. 

    Chapter Two: The Devil and His Demons

    Doctrinal Foundations

    Fairies, elves, gnomes, nymphs, dryads, trolls, fauns, satyrs, merpeople, leprechauns, poltergeists, familiars, spirit-guides, yeti, Bigfoot, ET, aliens and all such denizens of the “Otherworld” have also inhabited this world since the creation of Adam and Eve. In fact, it all began with the Fall of the Angels.

    The Church’s definitive work on demonology, The Malleus Maleficarum (1486), states against those who hold that belief in devils and witches is “altogether illusory and fanciful are plainly heretical,” for disbelief in devils is founded upon absolute infidelity:

     ‘… because the authority of Holy Scripture says that devils have power over the bodies and over the minds of men, when God allows them to exercise this power, as is plain from very many passages in the Holy Scriptures. Therefore those err who say that there is no such thing as witchcraft, but that it is purely imaginary, even although they do not believe that devils exist except in the imagination of the ignorant and vulgar, and the natural accidents which happen to a man he wrongly attributes to some supposed devil, ... But this is contrary to true faith, which teaches us that certain angels fell from heaven and are now devils, and we are bound to acknowledge that by their very nature they can do many wonderful things which we cannot do. And those who try to induce others to perform such evil wonders are called witches. And because infidelity in a person who has been baptized is technically called heresy, therefore such persons are plainly heretics.’ (Dover ed, pp. 2-3)

     The fundamental point made here is that it is heresy to disbelieve in the Devil, or Lucifer-Satan – heresy in the baptized and, according to St. Thomas Aquinas, founded upon “absolute infidelity” or apostasy.

    Created on the First Day of Creation Week, in the Empyrean Heaven, the Angels were subjected to a test of their fidelity before they could be admitted to the Beatific Vision. Once bathed in the Vision of God’s glory and beauty, they could never be tempted again. They would be forever confirmed in Grace.

         Theologians do not agree as to the precise nature of the trial to which the Angels were subjected, but sound tradition has it that they were given to understand the great event of the Incarnation: that the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity would become Man, taking His Human Nature from the Immaculate Ever-Virgin Mary.

    Lucifer, one of the highest Angels of the heavenly hierarchy, and those who identified with him in his pride, refused to consent that the Word of God should so humble Himself as to assume human nature from the Woman, thus twice-lowering Himself to a status below that of the angelic. These rebellious Angels refused their homage and obedience to the God-Man Who was to come to Earth in the fullness of time. Most of all, Lucifer’s pride was enraged by the exaltation of the Woman who was to be the Mother of the Incarnate God, for homage from him was required to Her also as the Queen of Heaven with Her Son. In other words, Lucifer set himself in eternal opposition to the Plan of God for Creation.

    In light of the nature of his sin, it is clear that Lucifer’s followers are the great rebels and revolutionaries of history, always opposing the order established by God in the beginning and by His Church throughout history.

    Lucifer had pitted himself against the natural order of society even before the Incarnation, as we see in Cain’s rebellion against God’s law of fraternal love by murdering his brother.  Cain also rebelled against the natural agricultural way of life by building the first city and – again, against the natural law of paternity – naming it after his son. Nimrod’s defiance of God’s Sovereignty in building the Tower of Babel that aspired “to reach unto heaven” was undoubtedly inspired by Lucifer’s lust for power over all men in a centralized human authority. Since the founding of the Church in whom our Lord invested His Divine Authority, heretics and founders of sects even before the major rebellion of Luther in the 16th century, manifested Lucifer’s incessant activity against the Woman and Her Seed as God foretold in Genesis 3:15. Nor was Galileo free of satanic influence when he split, with the sword of his arrogance, the mind of man from faithful adherence to the Word of Divine Revelation.

    In the great trial of the Angels, it is believed that the greater number of the angelic host remained faithful to God and to His Plan for Creation. These were immediately received into the Heaven of the Blessed Trinity and confirmed in Grace. But Lucifer and his angels were cast down to the Earth and hell was created for them in its depths.

    The entire Angelic Host is described by St. Paul’s convert, Denis the Areopagite, as consisting of Nine tremendous Choirs grouped in three Orders: Assisting, Governing and Ministering. The first Choir is formed by the Seraphim, Cherubim and Thrones. These are the Angels who never leave the Throne of God, although God did appoint one of the Cherubim to guard the Gates of Paradise and the Tree of Life after Adam and Eve were expelled from Eden (Gen. 3:24). Perhaps this indicates how near to Heaven the Garden of Eden really was. According to St. Thomas, Lucifer was of the Choir of the Cherubim and these Angels are most excellent for their luminous knowledge. The Governing Angels are the Dominations, Virtues and Powers. These are delegated by God to oversee the actions of all the heavenly bodies and are appointed to assist the heads of nations and cities on Earth. Lastly, there are the Ministering Angels: Principalities, Archangels and Angels. These are appointed to guard and assist individuals on Earth. Amongst these are our Guardian Angels.

         These hierarchies of the Angelic Host are important for our theology of the demons because it is believed that some Angels fell from each of the three Orders though not from each of the Nine Choirs. Some theologians believe, for example, that none of the Seraphim fell because their very nature is fiery Love, whereas Lucifer, the Cherubim, noted for his knowledge, fell more easily into pride, according to St. Thomas.

        But also important for this subject is the nature of the Angels. They are pure spirits of tremendous intellect and will, far greater in power and purity than men in their rational nature. Franciscan theologian Fr. Valentine Long, says that all of them are “instant theologians.” Not only that, but as soon as there existed a Universe to contemplate, the Angels were also:

    ‘… instant astronomers. Our telescopes, probing its vast reaches, can only pick out the less remote stars; so that what we have learned of the cosmos remains infinitesimal compared to the magnitude of our ignorance. But we must not ascribe to the Angels our limitations. At a glance they comprehended it all.[1]

    And if “instant astronomers”, then also “instant” physicists, “instant” biologists, and scientists generally, seeing into the very constitution of natural creatures and understanding nature’s laws in a manner inaccessible to the human mind. In fact, this can be docuмented, as will be described later.

    All this being so, it is important to realize that when Lucifer and his rebellious legions fell from Grace, the love and sanctity that had been theirs and was to have been theirs in its fullness, was turned and transformed into implacable malice and hatred. Since they could not attack God directly, they first turned their evil intent towards their fellow Angels. The great War against Michael and the faithful Angels then began. Michael victorious, Lucifer and his legions were cast into the Hell that was then created especially for them. They now direct all their malevolence against mankind.  We human beings are destined to fill the thrones left vacant and forever forfeited by the evil angels. When all those empty places have been filled by human souls, the number of the Elect will be complete and the great Angel of the Apocalypse will proclaim that Time is no more. Then will God bring about a new heavens and a new Earth.



    [1] Fr. Valentine Long: The Angels in Religion and Art (1970), p.48.