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What do FEers, BOD deniers, and dogmatic anti-sedevacantists have in common?

Before I reveal why I see a common thread with these three positions, I like to see what other forum members believe the connection to be.

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  • What do FEers, BOD deniers, and dogmatic anti-sedevacantists have in common?


    Common sense. 

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  •  :sleep:

    You can find something in common among pretty much any set of groups.

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  • They brush their teeth. 
    Most sweet Jesus, whose overflowing charity for men is requited by so much forgetfulness, negligence and contempt, behold us prostrate before you, eager to repair by a special act of homage the cruel indifference and injuries to which your loving Heart is


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  • What do FEers, BOD deniers, and dogmatic anti-sedevacantists have in common?

    Before I reveal why I see a common thread with these three positions, I like to see what other forum members believe the connection to be.
    A) they are extremely stupid
    B) they are unpleasant to be around and lack most social graces
    C) they are  "mouth breathers"
    D) all of the above

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    I say that it is licit to resist the Roman Pontiff by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will; it is not licit, however, to judge, punish or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior." St. Robert Bellarmine

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  • What is obvious to a rational and objective person is the fact that all three groups prefer *their* own interpretation of Scripture, tradition, and the Church’s councils to the common opinion (sometimes unanimous opinion) of what the Church’s experts (Popes, theologians, Doctors) teach.
    In a word...PRIDE.
    Typical liberal response. Lay blame using the tactics you employ.


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  • Now, please explain how I employ the same tactics....
    Saying that we interpret scripture our own way.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I post quotes from Fathers, Doctors, Popes, saints and ancients like Moses, Enoch, Cosmas, St. Jerome, St. John Chrysostom, St. Robert Bellarmine, Bishop Severian of Gabala, Methodius and scripture.  Blaming flat earthers for the fact that scripture and the Fathers agree on flat geocentric earth is like blaming the Pope for being Catholic.  Ridiculous.  

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  • Further, you employ disparaging comments rather than content.  A useless endeavor.

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  • 1) I don’t believe that the Church has ever raised to the level of dogma that the Earth is a globe.
    2) I don’t consider those who believe in a FE to be outside the Church because of #1, however I do consider then extremely gullible people.
    3) I do believe in the geocentric model, but I don’t believe that one is a heretic if he doubts or denies it.
    4) I question your interpretation of what the authorities you cite wrote, so please cite them.
    5) Even if it is unquestionably true that a few of them believed in a FE, the vast majority disagrees.
    "Major est Scripturae auctoritas quam omnis humani ingenii capacitas."  "Nothing is to be accepted save on the authority of Scripture, since greater is that authority than all the powers of the human mind."  --St. Augustine, Commentary on the Book of Genesis


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    The Church has not raised to a dogma the specific gravity of lead, potassium or carbon, either.
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    Does that mean lead, potassium or carbon do not have specific gravity?

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    I don’t believe that the Church has ever raised to the level of dogma that the Earth is a globe.
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    The Church has not raised to a dogma the thermal conductivity of diamond or silver, either.
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    Tell a jeweler that he cannot use thermal conductivity to check for the authenticity of those things.
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    He'll be happy to sell you cubic zirconia at the price of diamonds and pewter at the price of silver.
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  • What is obvious to a rational and objective person is the fact that all three groups prefer *their* own interpretation of Scripture, tradition, and the Church’s councils to the common opinion (sometimes unanimous opinion) of what the Church’s experts (Popes, theologians, Doctors) teach.
    In a word...PRIDE.

    Nah.  FE is not even a theological opinion, but a scientific one, so it's really outside the scope of Popes, theologians, Doctors, etc.  None of these Catholic authorities have ever taught that the earth is a sphere.  As for rejection of BoD, that's indeed counter to the popular opinion, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.  Now, the dogmatic anti-sedevacantists -- you're actually quite mistaken on that one.  Theologians agree that the Universal Church cannot accept a false pope, so YOU are running counter-current on that one.

    If I've seen anyone who's guilty of pride, it's really the dogmatic sedevacantists; they're BY FAR the worst.

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  • Nah.  FE is not even a theological opinion, but a scientific one, so it's really outside the scope of Popes, theologians, Doctors, etc. 
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    Flat-earthism is an UNscientific opinion. There is no evidence for it.
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    And flat-earthers refuse to make deliberate, controlled observations of reality.
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    They all worship their false-god-golden-calf pipe dream, which is nonsense.
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     None of these Catholic authorities have ever taught that the earth is a sphere.  
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    Why should Catholic authorities teach that the earth is a sphere? 
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    Anyone with two eyes and a thinking mind can know that's true -- we don't need the Church for that.
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    The Church is here to teach on consequential matters of faith, not what we can observe with our eyes and reason with simple logic.
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  • Sedevacantists like Recusant refuse to see the contradiction of claiming, on the one hand, that the consensus of theologians is effectively infallible and a proximate rule of faith while, on the other hand, asserting that the consensus of all the Church's bishops teaching the Universal Church in Ecumenical Council failed.  So theologians can't be wrong while the entire Ecclesia Docens, the world's bishops, can teach heresy and defect en masse.  Anti-BoD sedevacantists also claim that heretical ecclesiology is the chief of Vatican II's errors while at the same time holding the same ecclesiology themselves in their obsessive neurotic attack against Father Feeney, the only man who REALLY saw what was happening in the Church.  Sedevacantists champion the cause of the Heresiarch Cushing over the faithful Traditional Father Feeney.

     

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