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Author Topic: What do FEers, BOD deniers, and dogmatic anti-sedevacantists have in common?  (Read 11538 times)

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First, with Stubborn, I argued using Catholic Teaching for a long time. He explicitly, in the past, has said that he refuses to read Catholic Teaching when debating about Sedevacantism. This gets old after a while because he does nothing but spout nonsense and make stuff up. This is why I started arguing with him in this way. It's the only thing that he responds to. When Catholic Teaching is brought up, he shuts down and refuses to hear.
Second, With happenby, she and others like her, claim that this FE is part of the Catholic Faith and treat others who disagree with it as heretics. There is no proof whatsoever of this being Catholic Teaching.
Third, Even though I said she is deceitful, I tried to be fair and said maybe it's because she isn't reading what I'm writing.
So thank you Meg, for your concern, but there is a reason for the things I write.
You are only proving you are not versed in what the saints teach about flat earth and geocentrism and are hardened against them and the model.

Really? When he says that it is anathema to say the Pope is not the Pope, he isn't making things up? Why was St. Vincent not condemned when he followed an antipope in opposition to the Pope.
When he says that a heretic is in the Catholic Church, he isn't making things up? There are numerous teaching that say that heretics and those who disbelieve in Church Teaching are not in the Catholic Church.Happenby has misstated my argument twice and hasn't apologized for it. This lends itself towards dishonesty. If not, well I said maybe she didn't read what I wrote. As for her seeing the arguments before, that's not true because she was unaware of the quotes I provided. Then she had to come up with very weak arguments to try to refute or explain away the Catholic Saint quotes I provided that don't go along with her viewpoint.
On top of that, it's not Catholic to put a virtual anathema on those who don't believe a teaching as infallible because it hasn't been taught at all, just because you feel strongly about the issue.
I have not misrepresented anything. You misunderstood. We know a few saints believed in round earth and I said so in the same statement I first responded with.


Really? When he says that it is anathema to say the Pope is not the Pope, he isn't making things up? Why was St. Vincent not condemned when he followed an antipope in opposition to the Pope.
When he says that a heretic is in the Catholic Church, he isn't making things up? There are numerous teaching that say that heretics and those who disbelieve in Church Teaching are not in the Catholic Church.Happenby has misstated my argument twice and hasn't apologized for it. This lends itself towards dishonesty. If not, well I said maybe she didn't read what I wrote. As for her seeing the arguments before, that's not true because she was unaware of the quotes I provided. Then she had to come up with very weak arguments to try to refute or explain away the Catholic Saint quotes I provided that don't go along with her viewpoint.
On top of that, it's not Catholic to put a virtual anathema on those who don't believe a teaching as infallible because it hasn't been taught at all, just because you feel strongly about the issue.
Scripture, truth and the saints are at stake. It matters.

You present the FE like the Church always believed it and it's some sort of Dogma. I showed you two explicit quotes from very prominent Fathers which say that this issue is not a religious one and actually is harmful to waste time pursuing it. You disregard that and say that these two prominent Sainted Fathers had no idea how to interpret Moses.
FE is an aspect of Geocentrism which perfectly matches the literal description of earth in scripture.  As such, it is revealed truth, although since buried by false narratives and erroneous science at odds with God and his Truth.  While the lie is also ancient, the fullness of how it has progressed is only now beginning to reveal itself.  If you study any doctrine, you'll find that at times, the scriptural passage a doctrine is based on seems obscure and is not always obvious.  The Fathers of the Church brought most to light in a more profound way as time passed.  That pagan science reigns today proves there is no question people are under false delusions that earth is spinning and rotating as many Catholics have recently discovered.  The problem remains that the sphere was resurrected by Copernicus hundreds of years ago and the evil powers have held sway over the minds of men to the exclusion of Church condemnation of Copernicanism.  People will tell you the Church was wrong.  That is impossible.  And if the Church is right about Copernicanism, it necessarily means all of it.  Especially knowing now that so many saints elaborated on Geocentric flat earth already.     

None of this is provable since there is no Church Teaching to back it up.
Scripture and the saints back it up while pagans deny it. Pagans replaced it with their own model despite the Church's official condemnation. And heliocentrism is the model that denies the creator, enables enslavement to false evolutionary science, relativity and modernism. That is enough, even if there are no other "official" statements. We don't need more official to know. No one was really free to deny Mary was conceived immaculate before the 1800s.