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Offline Cryptinox

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What counts as active participation at a mass or "mass" if you will.
« on: February 28, 2020, 02:58:09 PM »
Hello, I attend a high school that has the new "mass." I would like to know what qualifies as active participation. Since I consider the novus ordo to be a doubtful and schismatic liturgy, I refuse to attend outside of school. When I am at school I usually just stand when they stand and sit when they sit. I try to avoid the sign of peace but when some tries to grab my hand I just poke their hand. I would like to know if this counts as active participation since it is a sin to actively participate in non Catholic "worship."
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Offline Matto

Re: What counts as active participation at a mass or "mass" if you will.
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2020, 03:06:25 PM »
Just sit in the back and don't sing along or make the responses. I don't think acknowledging another person during the sign of peace instead of ignoring them would be a sin, if it is not already a sin to simply attend at all. If you think it is valid (you say "doubtful") you may consider praying something like, "Oh Jesus, if you are truly present I wish to adore you and make reparation for the sins of sacrilege committed during this Novus Ordo service."

And so you know where I am coming from, I think the Novus Ordo is valid but a joke compared to the old Mass so I do not go for the most part and if I rarely do (like you do at school sometimes.) I do not actively participate. At the sign of peace I do not go out of my way to shake hands but if someone forces themselves on me I will shake their hand. I don't know where this puts me, probably on the liberal side of this forum on that issue. I try not to reject the entire Novus Ordo Church as I am not a sedevacantist, and I hope there are many Catholics inside of it (I don't know where, perhaps in the Eastern rites, the traditional groups like the SSPX and the FSSP and ICKSP and in Africa and China, perhaps?). Oh and I regularly go to an SSPX Mass (but I am not against the resistance), but as I think the Novus Ordo is valid I go to Novus Ordo Churches to visit Jesus when there is no Mass going on.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: What counts as active participation at a mass or "mass" if you will.
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2020, 03:57:01 PM »
The early Church considered simply attending at mass to be participating.  Catechumens were only allowed at mass up until the Sermon.  Before the "essential" parts of the mass started (Offertory, Canon, Communion), catechumens had to leave.  If the early Church considered "just sitting there" as not participating, then catechumens would've have been forced to leave.  But they were.
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The secondary argument is that one is obligated on Sundays and Holy Days to "hear mass".  If one attended mass at a large cathedral or basilica, people in the back could not often see everything that was going on.  The Church knew this and thus only requires one to "assist" or "hear" mass.  Therefore, to simply be present and listen to the mass is "participating" in it.
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Thirdly, the mass is a public celebration of Christ's sacrifice.  If you attend, you are publically involved; you are publically worshipping; you are publically praying with the priest.
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If one assists/hears a novus ordo service, they are participating in it.  This is proven from church history and from logic.
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Offline poche

Re: What counts as active participation at a mass or "mass" if you will.
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2020, 12:07:12 AM »
Quote from: Cryptinox on February 28, 2020, 02:58:09 PM
Hello, I attend a high school that has the new "mass." I would like to know what qualifies as active participation. Since I consider the novus ordo to be a doubtful and schismatic liturgy, I refuse to attend outside of school. When I am at school I usually just stand when they stand and sit when they sit. I try to avoid the sign of peace but when some tries to grab my hand I just poke their hand. I would like to know if this counts as active participation since it is a sin to actively participate in non Catholic "worship."
Where do you go to mass on Sundays?
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Offline Cryptinox

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Re: What counts as active participation at a mass or "mass" if you will.
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2020, 12:16:40 AM »
Quote from: poche on February 29, 2020, 12:07:12 AM
Where do you go to mass on Sundays?
I either go to an indult, ICKSP, or a byzantine divine liturgy. I have mainly been going to the byzantine church as of late though.
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