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Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2015, 01:05:12 PM »
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    Obviously God knows the future and He can take into account future prayers to perhaps grant the grace of a final act of perfect contrition to the person.  So continue to pray for this poor soul.


    I have read about this, i.e. about prayers still being effective even after the person has already died, but i don't remember where. Where can it be found?


    If I recall, Padre Pio said something about this.  It's just a simple theological fact that God is in eternity and is not bound by time and can therefore, if He wills, take into account future prayers.  After all, Our Blessed Mother was redeemed by the future Passion of Her Son.

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    « Reply #16 on: August 12, 2015, 05:20:49 PM »
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  • My nephew committed suicide last week.  He was age 37.  My sister(mom) said he had always had low feelings and he was put on a drug (?)  He came off the drug years ago.  when he found out that his dog was dying of cancer, he went into a wooded area and shot the dog and himself. (he was baptized, but mom took the children away from the Faith and they continued in their mom's way, very sad!)

    We have heard of drugs that can make you feel worse and to the point of suicide.

    Also there is the young men  (usually) who shoot kids, or those in the theater and then shoot themselves.  Can they be programmed?  Yes, they could.  There is a book "Black Awakenings".  (to be programmed, a victim is lured into drugs/liquor  and then programmed).

    Then there are those, like Judas, who commit a mortal sin, then go into despair and commit suicide.  The devil works slow with lures and such then despair to win the soul.

    I understand that there are different ways and we keep it in God's judgement.  He is perfect and whatever he decides, it will be right.

    Our prayers never go to waste, Our Lady will see to that.


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    « Reply #17 on: August 12, 2015, 07:42:47 PM »
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  • Sorry for your loss.

    I've know more than my share of family and friends that have committed suicide and just about everyone of them was either on some medication or drugs or manic depressives or some other mentally challenged state of mind.

    I think there are very few people who take their own lives consciously do so in a logical manner. I don't see any God damning anyone to hell for eternity for being mentally disabled.

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    « Reply #18 on: August 12, 2015, 10:59:51 PM »
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  • I just read that there are connections between the stomach and brain and depression is one of those possibilities.  Lack of enzymes for digestion.

    Offline Clemens Maria

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    « Reply #19 on: August 13, 2015, 09:30:52 AM »
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  • We just convicted a guy who had mental problems of first degree murder in the CO theater massacre.  Having mental problems doesn't necessarily relieve one of culpability in a crime.  I agree it is possible to hope and pray for the salvation of those who have committed suicide (apart from those who we know by Divine revelation to be in hell). Nevertheless, the prudence of the Church's traditional stance on these matters is to be admired.


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    « Reply #20 on: August 13, 2015, 09:36:00 AM »
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  • That's right, Clemens.  What's important is whether or not someone is so mentally gone as to have lost the use of reason in terms of distinguishing right and wrong.  Being depressed per se does not necessarily equate to having lost the faculty of reason.  I have heard, however, that the SSRI psychotropic drugs actually cause the mind to disconnect from reality and almost operate in a quasi-dream state.  We leave everything up to the Mercy of God.  If someone has been lost, God is never at fault.  God gives everyone every possible opportunity to be saved.

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    « Reply #21 on: August 13, 2015, 10:14:20 AM »
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    That's right, Clemens.  What's important is whether or not someone is so mentally gone as to have lost the use of reason in terms of distinguishing right and wrong.  Being depressed per se does not necessarily equate to having lost the faculty of reason.  I have heard, however, that the SSRI psychotropic drugs actually cause the mind to disconnect from reality and almost operate in a quasi-dream state.  We leave everything up to the Mercy of God.  If someone has been lost, God is never at fault.  God gives everyone every possible opportunity to be saved.


    I'm blocked from giving you any more up thumbs, Ladislaus. <smile>

    You underscore a critical point.  In these diabolical days, there are many more contributing factors to suicide than other generations.  Psychotropic drugs may be primary, but songbird referenced another factor - simple nutrition.  The food supply is severely lacking in minerals and enzymes, critical for the brain.  Add to that many toxic additives and soy products (which increases estrogen and contributes to the feminization of men) and there you have another significant factor.

    The overall tone of the culture is just plain hopeless though (masonic groundwork).  Dark, depressed, devoid of God, enmeshed in porn. There are so many layers to this. You are right - the bottom line is God's Mercy.  We should not give up praying for these souls.

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    « Reply #22 on: August 13, 2015, 09:50:11 PM »
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  • There! I've done one for you, Per! But don't tell Matthew - I might get into trouble :cheers:


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    « Reply #23 on: August 14, 2015, 05:01:50 PM »
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    thanks for the prayers to all, to be honest I haven't prayed for him since i believe he's in hell, my family is holding a novus order mass for him (since my uncle lived in Italy) but I'm not going, I feel bad for my cousins and aunt, I'll pray for them instead.


    Don't forget, Conspiracy Factist, that (apart from the other extenuating circumstance mentioned here by other posters)  many murders are set up to look like suicides. I hope you have changed your hard line about not praying for your uncle. No prayers are wasted, even if he did suicide and is in that place. I will pray for him too.

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    « Reply #24 on: August 17, 2015, 10:06:24 PM »
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  • My deepest apologies. I am very saddened for your family. I too lost my sister (not to suicide but to a heart attack) and she died before we or a priest could get to her. The nurse did say she asked for a priest though. I cannot explain what I felt when the doctors told us she had died without a priest. But then again my mom, wife and myself all finished the Rosary for her 10 minuted before she died while we were on the way to the hospital. I also said the most sincere prayer I have ever said to the Sacred Heart 20 minutes before she died.

    Once again my sorrow for you. May God have mercy on his poor soul. Amen

     

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