Author Topic: What are traditional Catholic views of ghost/spirits?  (Read 1041 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Stephanos II

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 331
  • Reputation: +0/-0
    • h
What are traditional Catholic views of ghost/spirits?
« on: January 14, 2009, 11:41:25 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Uriel
    Do you have an opinion..let's here it!


    It is forbidden by the Catholic faith to have anything to do with that. It is a grievious sin against the first two commandments.

    I am the Lord thy God:

    1. Thou shalt not have strange gods before Me;

    2. Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain;

    It is the sin of superstitution to have anything to do with what are communications with the Devil and the demons. In the Eastern Church there is version of this which known as toll houses and is totally demonic and evil.


    Offline clare

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2269
    • Reputation: +887/-34
    • Gender: Female
      • h
    What are traditional Catholic views of ghost/spirits?
    « Reply #1 on: January 15, 2009, 03:44:54 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Shane Leslie's Ghost Book is full of Catholic ghost stories, true ones.


    Offline Matthew

    • Mod
    • *****
    • Posts: 23066
    • Reputation: +20234/-244
    • Gender: Male
    What are traditional Catholic views of ghost/spirits?
    « Reply #2 on: January 15, 2009, 09:04:25 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Stephanos II
    Quote from: Uriel
    Do you have an opinion..let's here it!


    It is forbidden by the Catholic faith to have anything to do with that. It is a grievious sin against the first two commandments.

    I am the Lord thy God:

    1. Thou shalt not have strange gods before Me;

    2. Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain;

    It is the sin of superstitution to have anything to do with what are communications with the Devil and the demons. In the Eastern Church there is version of this which known as toll houses and is totally demonic and evil.



    I think you misunderstood the question.

    The poster was asking about GHOSTS, not SPIRITISM or PSYCHICS.

    Ghosts are souls of dead human beings who are given permission to manifest themselves in some way -- perhaps because a great injustice was done to them. For example, a man leaves $20,000 in his will to have Masses said for his soul, but his son decides a new boat would be a better way to spend the money. The poor deceased father will now have to spend longer in Purgatory because of an injustice done by the son. I could easily see God allowing the father to appear to his materialistic son to scare him/get him to undo the injustice.

    Anyhow, when a ghost visits you, you have no say in the matter.

    But getting involved in the occult, magic, communicating with the dead (nevermind devils) is just as you say -- a sin.

    The Catholic position is, "of course Ghosts exist. Human beings have souls that survive the body's death. And there is a place called Purgatory."

    Read the book "Purgatory explained" for plenty of true "ghost stories".

    Matthew
    Start your Amazon.com session by clicking this link, and my family and I get a commission on your purchase!

    Offline clare

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2269
    • Reputation: +887/-34
    • Gender: Female
      • h
    What are traditional Catholic views of ghost/spirits?
    « Reply #3 on: January 15, 2009, 10:02:51 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • There was one case, in Shane Leslie's book I think, where someone (priest or penitent, I can't remember) had left some confession notes in a book. He died, and his ghost came to make sure the notes were destroyed.


    Offline trent13

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 280
    • Reputation: +18/-2
    What are traditional Catholic views of ghost/spirits?
    « Reply #4 on: January 15, 2009, 01:33:39 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I remember seeing a "ghost" hunting episode on tv - which actually was a posession case - interestingly enough the "ghost hunters" who I put no stock by and have always thought was a ridiculous way to rip people off and con money out of them apparently had recommended a lot of posession cases for exorcism back in the day to Bishop Dolan.  The interesting ( and inspiring) thing for me was to see secular "ghost hunters," that when it comes down to brass tacks, will admit of the physical reality of posession and, by their recommendations to traditional catholic priests for exorcism, the truth that the Catholic religion is the only true religion, the only one that can actually effect true spriritual change.  

    One of my relatives had a resident ghost in their house ( a former morgue) and it wasn't until a different relative decided to pray for the soul of whoever it was that the ghost finally left.  


    Offline Stephanos II

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 331
    • Reputation: +0/-0
      • h
    What are traditional Catholic views of ghost/spirits?
    « Reply #5 on: January 15, 2009, 06:30:58 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: ChantCd
    Quote from: Stephanos II
    Quote from: Uriel
    Do you have an opinion..let's here it!


    It is forbidden by the Catholic faith to have anything to do with that. It is a grievious sin against the first two commandments.

    I am the Lord thy God:

    1. Thou shalt not have strange gods before Me;

    2. Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain;

    It is the sin of superstitution to have anything to do with what are communications with the Devil and the demons. In the Eastern Church there is version of this which known as toll houses and is totally demonic and evil.



    I think you misunderstood the question.

    The poster was asking about GHOSTS, not SPIRITISM or PSYCHICS.

    Ghosts are souls of dead human beings who are given permission to manifest themselves in some way -- perhaps because a great injustice was done to them. For example, a man leaves $20,000 in his will to have Masses said for his soul, but his son decides a new boat would be a better way to spend the money. The poor deceased father will now have to spend longer in Purgatory because of an injustice done by the son. I could easily see God allowing the father to appear to his materialistic son to scare him/get him to undo the injustice.

    Anyhow, when a ghost visits you, you have no say in the matter.

    But getting involved in the occult, magic, communicating with the dead (nevermind devils) is just as you say -- a sin.

    The Catholic position is, "of course Ghosts exist. Human beings have souls that survive the body's death. And there is a place called Purgatory."

    Read the book "Purgatory explained" for plenty of true "ghost stories".

    Matthew


    Matt,

    I didn't misunderstand the question at all. Ghosts are not proof of purgatory and apparitions thereof are not from nor are they approved by God. There is only one case in scripture of an appartition and that is of a Devil pretending to be the Ghost of Samuel to Saul of Israel. St. Hippolytus shows from the Hebrew text that it wasn't actually Samuel but the Diabolic. Such things, and that includes speculations like yours, are forbidden by the first two commandments.

    Good bye

    Offline clare

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2269
    • Reputation: +887/-34
    • Gender: Female
      • h
    What are traditional Catholic views of ghost/spirits?
    « Reply #6 on: January 16, 2009, 05:42:58 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Read Me Or Rue It, by Fr Paul O'Sullivan.

    Quote
    THE POLISH PRINCE

    A Polish prince who, for some political reason, had been exiled from his native country bought a beautiful castle and property in France.

    Unfortunately, he had lost the Faith of his childhood and was at the time of our story engaged in writing a book against God and the existence of a future life.

    Strolling one evening in his garden, he came upon a poor woman weeping bitterly. He questioned her as to the cause of her grief.

    "Ah! Prince," she replied, "I am the wife of Jean [John] Marie, your former steward, who died two days ago. He was a good husband to me and a faithful servant to Your Highness. His sickness was long and I spent all our savings on the doctors, and now I have nothing left to get Masses said for his soul."

    The Prince, touched by her grief, said a few kind words and, though professing no longer to believe in a future life, gave her some gold coins to have Masses said for her husband's soul.

    Some time after, it was again evening, and the Prince was in his study working feverishly at his hook.

    He heard a loud rap at the door and without looking up called out to the visitor to come in. The door slowly opened and a man entered and stood facing the Prince's writing table.

    On glancing up, what was not the Prince's amazement to see Jean Marie, his dead steward, looking at him with a sweet smile.

    "Prince, " he said, "I come to thank you for the Masses you enabled my wife to have said for my soul. Thanks to the saving Blood of Christ, which was offered for me, I am now going to Heaven, but God has allowed me to come and thank you for your generous alms. "

    He then added impressively: "Prince, there is a God, a future life, a Heaven and a Hell. "

    Having said these words he disappeared.

    The Prince fell upon his knees and poured forth a fervent Credo ( I believe in God.. ").

    ST. ANTONINUS AND HIS FRIEND

    Here is a narrative of a different kind, but not less instructive.

    St. Antoninus, the illustrious Archbishop of Florence, relates that a pious gentleman had died, who was a great friend of the Dominican Convent in which the Saint resided. Many Masses and suffrages were offered for his soul.

    The Saint was very much afflicted when, after the lapse of a long time, the soul of the poor gentleman appeared to him, suffering excruciating pains.

    "Oh, my Dear Friend, " exclaimed the Archbishop, "are you still in Purgatory, you who led such a pious and devout life?"

    "Yes, and I shall remain there still for a long time, " replied the poor sufferer, "for when on Earth I neglected to offer suffrages for the souls in Purgatory. Now, God by a just judgment has applied the suffrages which have been offered for me to those souls for whom I should have prayed. "

    "But God, too, in His Justice, will give me all the merits of my good works when I enter Heaven; but first of all, I have to expiate my grave neglect in regard to others. "

    So true are the words of Our Lord: "By that measure with which you measure, it will be measured to you again. "

    Remember, you who read these lines, that the terrible fate of this pious gentleman will be the fate of all those who neglect to pray for and ù refuse to help the Holy Souls.  


    Offline clare

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2269
    • Reputation: +887/-34
    • Gender: Female
      • h
    What are traditional Catholic views of ghost/spirits?
    « Reply #7 on: January 16, 2009, 05:49:44 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0


  •  

    Sitemap 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16