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What's with the Dimond brothers?
« on: April 03, 2018, 02:33:33 PM »
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  • sometimes they have said believable things but.. I dropped off going to that site because.. actually, not sure why

    maybe it was the way they picked on Pope Benedict?

    yes, that one did take some not so flattering photos.. but.. now we have this pope and

    sigh

    once again, who do we believe? I guess I should subscribe to the Wanderer 

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    Re: What's with the Dimond brothers?
    « Reply #1 on: April 04, 2018, 08:43:40 PM »
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  • Please stop your trolling. Unless you're a Feeneyite, why do you even give the Dimond Brothers a thought? FYI, The Dimond Brothers are just 2 Jewish pseudo-converts to Catholicism who badger other Traditional Catholics in order to further destroy the movement. Don't be fooled by them.

    They say they come from a "non-religious family" (i.e. Jewish pseudo-converts). They also couldn't resist changing the spelling of their last name (by removing the letter "a" from it) in order to make them look as if they're gentiles----Dimond is less obvious than Diamond. Since they have never received sacraments from anyone, they're not members of the Catholic Church unless, of course they have, dare shall I say, a strong desire for Baptism lol!

    Always remember this great quote from Archbishop Lefebvre:

    "Some Jews have converted, but there is a danger there, because it is not guaranteed that they have truly converted, or if they only do so in order to keep or facilitate their material interests or their position. It is very difficult to discern." - Against The Heresies Page 200


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    Re: What's with the Dimond brothers?
    « Reply #2 on: April 04, 2018, 09:02:15 PM »
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  • Please stop your trolling. Unless you're a Feeneyite, why do you even give the Dimond Brothers a thought? FYI, The Dimond Brothers are just 2 Jewish pseudo-converts to Catholicism who badger other Traditional Catholics in order to further destroy the movement. Don't be fooled by them.

    They say they come from a "non-religious family" (i.e. Jewish pseudo-converts). They also couldn't resist changing the spelling of their last name (by removing the letter "a" from it) in order to make them look as if they're gentiles----Dimond is less obvious than Diamond. Since they have never received sacraments from anyone, they're not members of the Catholic Church unless, of course they have, dare shall I say, a strong desire for Baptism lol!

    Always remember this great quote from Archbishop Lefebvre:

    "Some Jews have converted, but there is a danger there, because it is not guaranteed that they have truly converted, or if they only do so in order to keep or facilitate their material interests or their position. It is very difficult to discern." - Against The Heresies Page 200
    Your response and the OP are an example of the blind leading the blind.
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    Re: What's with the Dimond brothers?
    « Reply #3 on: April 06, 2018, 03:19:54 PM »
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  • Thanks everyone

    Everything is perfectly clear now

    whew!

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    Re: What's with the Dimond brothers?
    « Reply #4 on: April 06, 2018, 07:32:43 PM »
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  • Please stop your trolling. Unless you're a Feeneyite, why do you even give the Dimond Brothers a thought? FYI, The Dimond Brothers are just 2 Jewish pseudo-converts to Catholicism who badger other Traditional Catholics in order to further destroy the movement. Don't be fooled by them.

    They say they come from a "non-religious family" (i.e. Jewish pseudo-converts). They also couldn't resist changing the spelling of their last name (by removing the letter "a" from it) in order to make them look as if they're gentiles----Dimond is less obvious than Diamond. Since they have never received sacraments from anyone, they're not members of the Catholic Church unless, of course they have, dare shall I say, a strong desire for Baptism lol!

    Always remember this great quote from Archbishop Lefebvre:

    "Some Jews have converted, but there is a danger there, because it is not guaranteed that they have truly converted, or if they only do so in order to keep or facilitate their material interests or their position. It is very difficult to discern." - Against The Heresies Page 200
    they were originally Vatican 2 Catholics and they still attend Byzantine Catholic Masses for Sacraments. So your assertion that they've never received the Sacraments is blatantly false.
    And using Feeneyite as a pejorative is a bit odd when there are absolutely no ex cathedra statements in favour of BOD but dozens against. 


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    Re: What's with the Dimond brothers?
    « Reply #5 on: April 06, 2018, 08:39:10 PM »
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  • using Feeneyite as a pejorative is a bit odd when there are absolutely no ex cathedra statements in favour of BOD but dozens against.
    Odd indeed.  It's like the emperors new clothes, everyone is afraid of saying the emperor is naked!
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: What's with the Dimond brothers?
    « Reply #6 on: April 10, 2018, 01:10:27 PM »
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  • things are just getting clearer and clearer!

    Thanks so much

    still don't know what a feenyite is but that's OK

    don't know if the NO Mass is valid but that's OK

    guess I don't need to know... and neither does anyone else who might come here

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    Re: What's with the Dimond brothers?
    « Reply #7 on: April 10, 2018, 01:21:29 PM »
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  • things are just getting clearer and clearer!

    Thanks so much

    still don't know what a feenyite is but that's OK

    don't know if the NO Mass is valid but that's OK

    guess I don't need to know... and neither does anyone else who might come here
    A Feeneyite is basically someone who believes non-Catholics cannot be saved. Father Feeney himself wasn't even against all forms of BOD(although none of them have any real basis), just the modernist one that non-Catholics like Muslims, Jews, etc. can somehow be saved. Which is a complete denial of basic Church dogma that outside it none can be saved, but modernists and the post-Vatican 2 clergy just ignore that.


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    Re: What's with the Dimond brothers?
    « Reply #8 on: April 10, 2018, 01:38:44 PM »
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  • A Feeneyite is basically someone who believes non-Catholics cannot be saved. Father Feeney himself wasn't even against all forms of BOD(although none of them have any real basis), just the modernist one that non-Catholics like Muslims, Jews, etc. can somehow be saved. Which is a complete denial of basic Church dogma that outside it none can be saved, but modernists and the post-Vatican 2 clergy just ignore that.
    don't know what a BOD is
    me, I have no problem believing non-Catholics don't make it . Catholics don't most of the time either. Jesus said the w ay is narrow and there are few who find it
    the saints say something like less than 1% make it

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    Re: What's with the Dimond brothers?
    « Reply #9 on: April 10, 2018, 02:56:35 PM »
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  • don't know what a BOD is
    BOD = baptism of desire
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: What's with the Dimond brothers?
    « Reply #10 on: April 10, 2018, 04:44:37 PM »
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  • they were originally Vatican 2 Catholics and they still attend Byzantine Catholic Masses for Sacraments. So your assertion that they've never received the Sacraments is blatantly false.
    And using Feeneyite as a pejorative is a bit odd when there are absolutely no ex cathedra statements in favour of BOD but dozens against.
    Sorry for the above incorrect statement. However, the fact that the Dimond Brothers (who possess a "holier than thou" attitude towards all non-Feeneyite Catholics) still attend Byzantine Catholic Masses for Sacraments makes them hypocrites, plain and simple. 

    They are receiving sacraments from Novus Ordo clergy in Novus Ordo churches, then have they audacity to continuously and publicly say that all non-Sedevacantists are damned to Hell. Thus, they are receiving sacraments from NO priests who are damned to hell. You would think that they would at least go to a Sedevacantist mass to receive Sacraments (since they make a living trash-talking the NO Church). Since they keep going to NO Churches to receive sacraments, why should anyone take those 2 seriously??

    Pope Pius IX spoke on BOD (check Denzinger). I suppose the Dimond Brothers, as well as other Feeneyites, thereby consider Pope Pius IX to be a "false pope." 

    Also, Fr. Feeney was excommunicated "for disobedience and not for his position"-- that is true. However, that's only half of the story. Feeneyites usually fail to mention the other half of the story: Fr. Feeney disobeyed an order to come to Rome and defend his position (because even he knew that he had no theological leg to stand on and that he would be vigorously questioned on his untenable position by theologians much more learned than he).  


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    Re: What's with the Dimond brothers?
    « Reply #11 on: April 10, 2018, 04:57:12 PM »
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  •  Fr. Feeney disobeyed an order to come to Rome and defend his position (because even he knew that he had no theological leg to stand on and that he would be vigorously questioned on his untenable position by theologians much more learned than he).  

    Hey, boy, you're fixin' to get destroyed by Ladislaus and Cantarella. :laugh1:
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    Re: What's with the Dimond brothers?
    « Reply #12 on: April 10, 2018, 05:10:00 PM »
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  • Sorry for the above incorrect statement. However, the fact that the Dimond Brothers (who possess a "holier than thou" attitude towards all non-Feeneyite Catholics) still attend Byzantine Catholic Masses for Sacraments makes them hypocrites, plain and simple.

    They are receiving sacraments from Novus Ordo clergy in Novus Ordo churches, then have they audacity to continuously and publicly say that all non-Sedevacantists are damned to Hell. Thus, they are receiving sacraments from NO priests who are damned to hell. You would think that they would at least go to a Sedevacantist mass to receive Sacraments (since they make a living trash-talking the NO Church). Since they keep going to NO Churches to receive sacraments, why should anyone take those 2 seriously??

    Pope Pius IX spoke on BOD (check Denzinger). I suppose the Dimond Brothers, as well as other Feeneyites, thereby consider Pope Pius IX to be a "false pope."

    Also, Fr. Feeney was excommunicated "for disobedience and not for his position"-- that is true. However, that's only half of the story. Feeneyites usually fail to mention the other half of the story: Fr. Feeney disobeyed an order to come to Rome and defend his position (because even he knew that he had no theological leg to stand on and that he would be vigorously questioned on his untenable position by theologians much more learned than he).  
    Pope Pius IX spoke fallibly about invincible ignorance, which is different altogether to modern BOD. Yet even then Pope Pius IX was not saying that those that die outside the Church attain salvation, but rather that those who are invincibly ignorant are not guilty of the sin of unbelief and will be guided to the faith before death by divine light if they live virtuous lives. This is the same position St. Thomas Aquinas held. 
    Every time Pope Pius IX mentioned invincible ignorance he preceded or proceeded it with a repetition of EENS, that no one can be saved outside of the Catholic faith. Unless you are proposing Pope Pius IX was a scatterbrain who contradicted himself from sentence to sentence on the same issue in multiple encyclicals, then it is clear that when he said:
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     they who labor in invincible ignorance of our most holy religion and who, zealously keeping the natural law and its precepts engraved in the hearts of all by God, and being ready to obey God, live an honest and upright life, can, by the operating power of divine light and grace, attain eternal life, since God Who clearly beholds, searches, and knows the minds, souls, thoughts, and habits of all men, because of His great goodness and mercy, will by no means suffer anyone to be punished with eternal torment who has not the guilt of deliberate sin.
    he meant to reaffirm what St. Thomas Aquinas taught, that virtuous heathens living in invincible ignorance will be guided to the faith. 
    Even if Pope Pius IX was indeed a self-contradictory scatterbrain who preached that those who died outside the Church could be saved, while reaffirming the next sentence that they could not, it still would not prove Baptism of Desire not even to the extent of invincible ignorance, as it has still never been defined dogmatically. Never, not once. And for every Pope in the last 150 years or so who has taught it to some extent, there are many many more from Church history who denounced the idea completely(many Popes even saying unbaptised catechumens are damned!). 

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    Re: What's with the Dimond brothers?
    « Reply #13 on: April 10, 2018, 05:43:57 PM »
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  • Sorry for the above incorrect statement. However, the fact that the Dimond Brothers (who possess a "holier than thou" attitude towards all non-Feeneyite Catholics) still attend Byzantine Catholic Masses for Sacraments makes them hypocrites, plain and simple.

    They are receiving sacraments from Novus Ordo clergy in Novus Ordo churches, then have they audacity to continuously and publicly say that all non-Sedevacantists are damned to Hell. Thus, they are receiving sacraments from NO priests who are damned to hell. You would think that they would at least go to a Sedevacantist mass to receive Sacraments (since they make a living trash-talking the NO Church). Since they keep going to NO Churches to receive sacraments, why should anyone take those 2 seriously??


    I didn't know that the sede Dimond Bros. receive the sacraments from Byzantine Catholic Masses. So, they do not attend traditional Masses by traditional priests. That's very strange.

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    Re: What's with the Dimond brothers?
    « Reply #14 on: April 10, 2018, 08:04:02 PM »
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  • I didn't know that the sede Dimond Bros. receive the sacraments from Byzantine Catholic Masses. So, they do not attend traditional Masses by traditional priests. That's very strange.
    They used to attend byzantine masses suggesting to go late just for the eucharist but I would be surprised if they still do. I believe their position now is that there is hardly a priest in the U.S that you can receive the eucharist.  I remember sending them an email a few years back about a priest i thought was good enough, they said it would be acceptable to receive the eucharist but told me (angrily)it was a mortal sin to give money , this I disagreed with and I don’t believe they have ever proven their position using Catholic teaching 

     

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