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Offline Cantarella

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Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
« Reply #120 on: May 21, 2018, 02:07:37 PM »
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  • I think there must be some ambiguity in the annotations.  It is definitely Catholic teaching that Eve was created on the sixth day.  It is mentioned in Arcanum Divinae (Pope Leo XIII, 1880) for example:
    " We record what is to all known, and cannot be doubted by any, that God, on the sixth day of creation, having made man from the slime of the earth, and having breathed into his face the breath of life, gave him a companion, whom He miraculously took from the side of Adam when he was locked in sleep. " (par 5, http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_l-xiii_enc_10021880_arcanum.html )

    OK, thank you. That settles it for me.

    It makes sense now that it is not a chronologic account, but what you said, that Chapter 2 is not a continuation of the story after the seventh day.  It is going back to fill in details.
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    Offline Banezian

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #121 on: May 24, 2018, 03:01:08 AM »
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  • Well here's another question. How much does one need to make to support a family? I've heard anywhere from 45-60k minimum. As I said, I'm a Classics major( hope to teach at prep school) but I'm also  taking finance courses so that I can have a back-up if academia doesn't work 
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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #122 on: May 24, 2018, 03:09:41 AM »
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  • So many different factors:
    Where will you live?
    How big is your prospective family?
    What is your standard of living?
    How does your prospective wife deal with finance?
    What are her expectations?
    What are her skills?
    How do you manage your money?

    We have many threads on these type of question. I suggest you search them out.
    And that you might start a thread on just this topic.

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #123 on: May 24, 2018, 08:33:57 AM »
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  • Well here's another question. How much does one need to make to support a family? I've heard anywhere from 45-60k minimum. As I said, I'm a Classics major( hope to teach at prep school) but I'm also  taking finance courses so that I can have a back-up if academia doesn't work
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    I went to school initially to enter academia.  One of my English professors was a 20 year ph.D. making 50k/year.  It's difficult to make a life in academia if you're just teaching.  Given the considerable amount of debt required to even get to that level, it's an incredibly tenuous investment.  And this is setting aside the fact that the industry, far and wide, is utterly rotten morally and intellectually.
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    Just a thought.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #124 on: May 24, 2018, 10:53:34 AM »
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  • Well here's another question. How much does one need to make to support a family? I've heard anywhere from 45-60k minimum. As I said, I'm a Classics major( hope to teach at prep school) but I'm also  taking finance courses so that I can have a back-up if academia doesn't work
    Depends where you live and how many children you have.  100k in New York or Los Angeles won't go as far as 100k in Wisconsin. 
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    Average, 60k min.
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    I thought about teaching, too.  Not enough money, too many govt regulations, and nasty kids.
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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #125 on: July 01, 2018, 01:05:00 AM »
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  • And yet the age difference between Saint Joseph and the Blessed Mother was even greater.  
    Not that I disagree with you Fanny, but I think societal norms play a big role in what is considered appropriate/ideal.
    Please do not make a comparison between Our Lady and St. Joseph unless you have been given a sign of a stick blooming.  Our Lady was  a perfect human, and St. Joseph was a saint even while he lived. 
      I know a 50 year old man who used that as an excuse for harassing a 16 year old girl.  The young girl was very controlled by the older man, and has a lot of emotional scars from his influence. 
     A huge age gap is totally inappropriate, as the man will treat the much younger wife as a child instead of a spouse and equal.  
      I have always heard that generally a girl is about two years more mature than a boy her own age, so in general, if you want a spouse of equal maturity, you should marry a boy at least two years older. It isn’t a matter of marrying “up” or “down”, it is simply a matter of development.  And even if there are not many girls to choose from now, there may be later, or you can also relocate or meet a catholic girl long distance. Not easy, but it worked for us. 
     It isn’t too soon to start looking for your vocation, but it is too young to seriously be considering marriage. You should at least finish your education and have a decent job. You need a way to support your family, and there is plenty of things to do to get prepared for marriage. I highly suggest reading “The Five Love Languages”.  I wish I had known about it when I was preparing to get married. 

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #126 on: July 01, 2018, 07:13:00 AM »
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  • Please do not make a comparison between Our Lady and St. Joseph unless you have been given a sign of a stick blooming.  Our Lady was  a perfect human, and St. Joseph was a saint even while he lived.
      I know a 50 year old man who used that as an excuse for harassing a 16 year old girl.  The young girl was very controlled by the older man, and has a lot of emotional scars from his influence.
     A huge age gap is totally inappropriate, as the man will treat the much younger wife as a child instead of a spouse and equal. 
      I have always heard that generally a girl is about two years more mature than a boy her own age, so in general, if you want a spouse of equal maturity, you should marry a boy at least two years older. It isn’t a matter of marrying “up” or “down”, it is simply a matter of development.  And even if there are not many girls to choose from now, there may be later, or you can also relocate or meet a catholic girl long distance. Not easy, but it worked for us.
     It isn’t too soon to start looking for your vocation, but it is too young to seriously be considering marriage. You should at least finish your education and have a decent job. You need a way to support your family, and there is plenty of things to do to get prepared for marriage. I highly suggest reading “The Five Love Languages”.  I wish I had known about it when I was preparing to get married.


    Well the Masonic lodges would be very happy that you are towing the line.

    Our feminised society loves marriages where they are close in age, because they are marriages where the woman has more possibility to manipulate the man.

    In a marriage where the man is a lot older, the man has experience from life to not let himself get manipulated and to steer the ship of his marriage through stormy waters.

    You are being quite malicious by telling that scare story.

    You also are completely ignorant of the fact that it is an entirely modern concept (as in post Vatican II) to consider there to be something wrong with these age difference marriages.

    The Holy Family is there as an EXAMPLE for us all. For those who can cope with it.

    Most young men are not able to cope with being chaste which is why the Church would have encouraged them into marriage young. But the ideal is the ideal.

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #127 on: July 01, 2018, 11:48:59 AM »
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  • Well the Masonic lodges would be very happy that you are towing the line.

    Our feminised society loves marriages where they are close in age, because they are marriages where the woman has more possibility to manipulate the man.

    In a marriage where the man is a lot older, the man has experience from life to not let himself get manipulated and to steer the ship of his marriage through stormy waters.

    You are being quite malicious by telling that scare story.

    You also are completely ignorant of the fact that it is an entirely modern concept (as in post Vatican II) to consider there to be something wrong with these age difference marriages.

    The Holy Family is there as an EXAMPLE for us all. For those who can cope with it.

    Most young men are not able to cope with being chaste which is why the Church would have encouraged them into marriage young. But the ideal is the ideal.
    It is fine that you don’t agree with me, however the way you choose to do So  lacks charity. Calling me malicious, ignorant feminist who “tows the Masonic line” is inappropriate and untrue. 
     The advice I gave as appropriate age was the advice I was given by a trad catholic priest when I was looking for my future spouse. 
      The story I told of the 16 year old girl being persued by a 50 year old man was of my sister.  She was manipulated constantly by this older man who prevented her from meeting any young men closer to her own age. She was also a minor, and he was a friend of my parents, until they realized what he was doing. He used a lot of emotional blackmail.  Any man who needs to marry a girl that much younger than himself has problems.  
    By the way,  I was raised trad catholic, homeschooled, married trad catholic, and am a stay at home mom who also homeschools her trad catholic children. A malicious, ignorant feminist who “tows the Masonic line” is far from the truth. 


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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #128 on: July 01, 2018, 11:54:51 AM »
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  • My husband is three years older than me. I wouldn't advise looking at someone who is more than ten years apart from your age. My husband and I grew up in different states and his parents had much more money than mine but we have a lot in common. We are of the same generation and remember the same things from childhood. I understand his jokes. My brother-in-law married at 26 to an 18 year old. Everything was fine until she turned 30 and grew up. He couldn't handle it and they are divorced today.

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #129 on: July 01, 2018, 04:59:19 PM »
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  • It is fine that you don’t agree with me, however the way you choose to do So  lacks charity. Calling me malicious, ignorant feminist who “tows the Masonic line” is inappropriate and untrue.
     The advice I gave as appropriate age was the advice I was given by a trad catholic priest when I was looking for my future spouse.
      The story I told of the 16 year old girl being persued by a 50 year old man was of my sister.  She was manipulated constantly by this older man who prevented her from meeting any young men closer to her own age. She was also a minor, and he was a friend of my parents, until they realized what he was doing. He used a lot of emotional blackmail.  Any man who needs to marry a girl that much younger than himself has problems. 
    By the way,  I was raised trad catholic, homeschooled, married trad catholic, and am a stay at home mom who also homeschools her trad catholic children. A malicious, ignorant feminist who “tows the Masonic line” is far from the truth.

    Sweetheart, There was no personal attack there. What you are saying is wrong, evil and you are only saying it because Freemasons have shaped a society where people say these things.

    They hate good Catholic marriages above all things.

    The marriage you cited could easily happen where things are close in age.

    What people need to remember here is that ALL marriages are under severe attack.

    If  a man chooses to marry a younger woman he must also choose carefully. He doesn't marry in a vacuum. He marries into a family. So the influence her mother and father have over her if she rebels is very important. What you forget is that up until not too long ago families lived close to eachother. It was not uncommon to have four generations under one roof and cousins all near by. The whole fabric of the family reinforced in the mind of the girl the difficulty in leaving and rebelling.

    Because men mature more slowly, and women the other way, the ideal is where a man is a mature good Catholic and the young lady willing to learn from him. A husband INSTRUCTS his wife as St. Paul clearly says.

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #130 on: July 01, 2018, 05:15:30 PM »
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  • Well the Masonic lodges would be very happy that you are towing the line.

    You are being quite malicious by telling that scare story.
    Sweetheart, There was no personal attack there. What you are saying is wrong, evil and you are only saying it because Freemasons have shaped a society where people say these things.

    They hate good Catholic marriages above all things.
    So, I'm really curious how she was being wrong and evil for relaying a personal story.  Also, where you did come up with this masonic lodge line towing?  Do you say this because you think it would be true or do you have something to substantiate that accusation?  If you do by all means share.


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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #131 on: July 01, 2018, 05:40:14 PM »
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  • So, I'm really curious how she was being wrong and evil for relaying a personal story.  Also, where you did come up with this masonic lodge line towing?  Do you say this because you think it would be true or do you have something to substantiate that accusation?  If you do by all means share.

    What don't you understand? Do you reject the example of the Holy Family? Do you reject the practice of many Catholics for 2000 years?

    Just go over the previous posts in this thread before we start repeating ourselves.

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    Re: What's a reasonable age difference for a relatioship
    « Reply #132 on: July 01, 2018, 05:46:30 PM »
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  • Well the Masonic lodges would be very happy that you are toweing the line.
    Do you mean
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