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Offline Miseremini

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Were the Jєωs forgiven on Good Friday?
« on: April 20, 2019, 07:21:04 PM »
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    • Playing devil's advocate here.  Perhaps former seminarians can enlighten me.

    1.  From the cross, Jesus said, "Father forgive them they know not what they do."
    We are told to commit a mortal sin it must be serious, we must know it's serious and we must want to do it anyway.  The Jєωs didn't know or believe He was the Redeemer, yet Jesus indicates they are still guilty and in need of forgiveness.

    2.  Jesus, Second Person of the Trinity asked for their forgiveness, would the Father have refused Him?

    This was all after the Jєωs accepted His blood on themselves and their children.

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    Re: Were the Jєωs forgiven on Good Friday?
    « Reply #1 on: April 20, 2019, 07:35:27 PM »
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    • That is why after 40 days, His Ascension and when the Holy Ghost came, then how many over 3,000 were baptized.  That's where the Jєωs converted and saved, but as we know not all Jєωs did.  
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    Re: Were the Jєωs forgiven on Good Friday?
    « Reply #2 on: April 20, 2019, 07:53:06 PM »
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    • The question was, "Were the Jєωs forgiven on Good Friday?"

    Anything after that is on them, good or bad.
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    Re: Were the Jєωs forgiven on Good Friday?
    « Reply #3 on: April 20, 2019, 08:42:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on April 20, 2019, 07:21:04 PM
      The Jєωs didn't know or believe He was the Redeemer, yet Jesus indicates they are still guilty and in need of forgiveness.
    The Jєωs saw all Jesus' signs and works and they refused to believe. They consistently set traps for Him. I don't think we can say they didn't know. 
    To be forgiven you must first repent and they refused. They were willingly blinded. 
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    Re: Were the Jєωs forgiven on Good Friday?
    « Reply #4 on: April 20, 2019, 08:46:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on April 20, 2019, 08:42:14 PM
    The Jєωs saw all Jesus' signs and works and they refused to believe. They consistently set traps for Him. I don't think we can say they didn't know.
    To be forgiven you must first repent and they refused. They were willingly blinded.
    It was Christ who said "they know not what they do", not her. 
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    Re: Were the Jєωs forgiven on Good Friday?
    « Reply #5 on: April 20, 2019, 08:54:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on April 20, 2019, 08:46:24 PM
    It was Christ who said "they know not what they do", not her.
    Jesus is speaking of the Roman soldiers, not the Jєωs.
    Luke 23 [33] And when they were come to the place which is called Calvary, they crucified him there; and the robbers, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. [34] And Jesus said: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. But they, dividing his garments, cast lots. 
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    Re: Were the Jєωs forgiven on Good Friday?
    « Reply #6 on: April 20, 2019, 09:38:54 PM »
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    • In order to have forgiveness take effect in our souls, we must truly repent and ask for said forgiveness.

    Our Lord expiated for all the sins of all mankind during His Passion, but only those who repent and seek forgiveness can have it take effect in their souls ... whether Jєωs or not.
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    Re: Were the Jєωs forgiven on Good Friday?
    « Reply #7 on: April 20, 2019, 09:42:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on April 20, 2019, 08:54:02 PM
    Jesus is speaking of the Roman soldiers, not the Jєωs.
    Luke 23 [33] And when they were come to the place which is called Calvary, they crucified him there; and the robbers, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. [34] And Jesus said: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. But they, dividing his garments, cast lots.
    This makes sense.  I can accept this.
    Then the question is and I hope I can convey it properly If they didn't know they were killing God why were
    they in need of forgiveness?
    Are we all sinning even when we don't know it?  Have we been taught wrong that it must be wrong, we must know it's wrong and then we must do it anyway?
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    Re: Were the Jєωs forgiven on Good Friday?
    « Reply #8 on: April 20, 2019, 09:55:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 20, 2019, 09:38:54 PM
    In order to have forgiveness take effect in our souls, we must truly repent and ask for said forgiveness.

    Our Lord expiated for all the sins of all mankind during His Passion, but only those who repent and seek forgiveness can have it take effect in their souls ... whether Jєωs or not.
    I agree BUT I've been referring to the fact as Jesus said they DID NOT KNOW.
    Why would anyone ask for forgiveness when they are not aware they have sinned?
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    Re: Were the Jєωs forgiven on Good Friday?
    « Reply #9 on: April 20, 2019, 10:04:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on April 20, 2019, 09:55:49 PM
    I agree BUT I've been referring to the fact as Jesus said they DID NOT KNOW.
    Why would anyone ask for forgiveness when they are not aware they have sinned?
    WHere does Jesus say they did not know? I'm presuming you speak of the Jєωs here.
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    Re: Were the Jєωs forgiven on Good Friday?
    « Reply #10 on: April 20, 2019, 10:10:11 PM »
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    • No I was referring to Jesus referring to the Romans as you explained.
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    Re: Were the Jєωs forgiven on Good Friday?
    « Reply #11 on: April 20, 2019, 10:17:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 20, 2019, 09:38:54 PM
     but only those who repent and seek forgiveness can have it take effect in their souls ... whether Jєωs or not.
    But to repent and seek forgiveness you must be aware you've done something wrong and Jesus said
    they didn't know and asked the Father to forgive them.
    So are we guilty of sin/wrong doing  when we don't know it's a sin/wrong doing?
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    Re: Were the Jєωs forgiven on Good Friday?
    « Reply #12 on: April 20, 2019, 10:43:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on April 20, 2019, 09:42:17 PM
    This makes sense.  I can accept this.
    Then the question is and I hope I can convey it properly If they didn't know they were killing God why were
    they in need of forgiveness?
    Are we all sinning even when we don't know it?  Have we been taught wrong that it must be wrong, we must know it's wrong and then we must do it anyway?
    I don't think anyone was thinking about killing God. They were deliberately killing the just man, Jesus. It was not until Jesus was already dead that there was any acknowledgement of God.
    . [39] And the centurion who stood over against him, seeing that crying out in this manner he had given up the ghost, said: Indeed this man was the son of God. 

    Christ's divinity became manifest in the Resurrection, even for the apostles. They had only an inkling but their understanding was very poor.
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    Re: Were the Jєωs forgiven on Good Friday?
    « Reply #13 on: April 20, 2019, 10:57:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on April 20, 2019, 10:17:45 PM
    ...Jesus said they didn't know and asked the Father to forgive them.
    Where does Jesus say they didn't know?
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    Re: Were the Jєωs forgiven on Good Friday?
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