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We could be entering a tech Dark Age
« on: October 11, 2018, 10:31:19 PM »
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  • Food for thought! Especially the part about how no one person actually knows how to build a smartphone.
    Layers upon layers of technology are needed to create a given end product.
    Any disruption (natural disaster, collapse, war, etc.) could result in the realization that we aren't nearly as "advanced" as we boasted...

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    Re: We could be entering a tech Dark Age
    « Reply #1 on: October 12, 2018, 01:22:44 AM »
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  • These are good reasons to learn “ analog” skills. 


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    Re: We could be entering a tech Dark Age
    « Reply #2 on: October 12, 2018, 07:00:03 AM »
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    Any disruption (natural disaster, collapse, war, etc.) could result in the realization that we aren't nearly as "advanced" as we boasted...
    The US could suffer simply because of the trade wars with China and our discovery that much of our military electronics have been compromised by china tech.  If the trade war heats up, or there's actually a military skirmish, we'd need to start making our own tech.  That would be good in the long term for our economy and our national security but in the short term, would be catastrophic (from a tech standpoint).

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    Re: We could be entering a tech Dark Age
    « Reply #3 on: October 12, 2018, 07:01:28 AM »
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  • I guess this really resonates me, because he's right more than he knows.

    People think we are more advanced than people in the 1880s, because we have these magic smartphones.

    But who actually knows anything about how a smartphone works? Who knows how to build one? Are they really the equivalent of a hammer or saw in the 1880s? People could create those items single-handedly if needed.

    I read this REALLY AWESOME short story, a sci-fi story, about a man from the far future who travels to the present day. He's an average guy, and people are asking him all sorts of questions.
    He touches on some of the things people can do in the future, but he's totally useless in terms of telling us how they do it, or helping us to be able to understand or do those things.
    Of course, that's the author's point. Unless you bring back a doctor, you'll know nothing of future medicine. Everything is compartmentalized and no one person "carries with them" the technology from a given age, or can reproduce it by themselves.

    If you were transported to 1880, or 1800, or 1700, or pretty much any date in the past, do you really think you'd be king of the world in a few months, a few years, or EVER? Just because you're from the future and therefore more advanced? I doubt it.
    Unless you bring a machine gun with you with lots of ammo,  you wouldn't have *any* advantages over the natives, and actually you would probably be at a disadvantage in virtually all areas!

    Serious food for thought.

    About the only knowledge most people have is super generalized, popular knowledge or general economic knowledge like "Apple took off", "Google took off", "Microsoft took off" so they could buy lots of stock if they ended up in 1980. Or if they were in 2011 they could make a major investment in Bitcoin mining and be set for life. 

    But in terms of actual technology, tools -- most people living today haven't the faintest clue about *any* of the advanced stuff we moderns are so proud of. I understand specialization, but so many people don't even understand how to create even *part of it* from scratch (which involves understanding something at the lowest level).

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    Re: We could be entering a tech Dark Age
    « Reply #4 on: October 12, 2018, 08:26:19 AM »
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  • The cutting of the copper phone lines by Verizon in the US ought to be considered a war crime.


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    Re: We could be entering a tech Dark Age
    « Reply #5 on: October 12, 2018, 09:55:50 AM »
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  • I guess this really resonates me, because he's right more than he knows.

    People think we are more advanced than people in the 1880s, because we have these magic smartphones.

    But who actually knows anything about how a smartphone works? Who knows how to build one? Are they really the equivalent of a hammer or saw in the 1880s? People could create those items single-handedly if needed.
    My husband spent almost two decades working for Blackberry and I doubt that even he could build a working smart phone if transported to the 1880s.  Although he thoroughly understands the theory involved, none of the supporting technology would be in place.  For example, smart phones require a cellular network.  One would  need to not simply build the phone but all the cell towers. 

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    Re: We could be entering a tech Dark Age
    « Reply #6 on: October 12, 2018, 11:21:49 AM »
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  • My husband spent almost two decades working for Blackberry and I doubt that even he could build a working smart phone if transported to the 1880s.  Although he thoroughly understands the theory involved, none of the supporting technology would be in place.  For example, smart phones require a cellular network.  One would  need to not simply build the phone but all the cell towers.

    You simply couldn't manufacture the electronic components required (e.g. integrated circuits).  You wouldn't even have vacuum tubes back in the 1880s, much less ICs.

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    Re: We could be entering a tech Dark Age
    « Reply #7 on: October 12, 2018, 11:30:04 AM »
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  • People back in the 1880s were much more self-sufficient that we are today ... in terms of basic survival.  They would have an advantage over the moderns precisely because we have become so dependent on technology.


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    Re: We could be entering a tech Dark Age
    « Reply #8 on: October 12, 2018, 11:47:55 AM »
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  • https://fossbytes.com/icann-global-internet-outage-over-next-48-hours/


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    CANN has scheduled the Root Zone Key Signing Key (KSK) Rollover for today, and it could affect some DNS users all over the world.


    By Rolling the KSK, ICANN implies that a new cryptographic public and private key pair will be generated and the private key will be distributed to internet service providers, enterprise network administrators, and Domain Name System (DNS) resolver operators.

    KSK Rollover operations began in October 2016 and were scheduled for October 2017. However, ICANN announced that the rollover has been postponed due to the fact that “a significant number of resolvers used by Internet Service Providers (ISPs) and Network Operators are not yet ready for the Key Rollover.”   ....
    click link for more information
    Lord have mercy.