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Offline Boloki

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Was this wrong and sinful?
« on: September 17, 2013, 07:23:28 PM »
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  • A "friend" of my parents lent a book to my dad called either "The power of Now" or "Putting in practice the Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle.

    I don't even need to mention how this is just a pile of blasphemous and heretical apostate junk.

    Now my parents are apostate Novus Ordos, and i am a traditional Catholic. I have told them all that could be told about what is going on right now and about how they are not really Catholic.

    I also denounced that book and told them it's bad and asked them where did they get it or if they bought it.

    Well the thing is that one day i decided to get rid of it, since they had it in their bathroom and i saw no indication of them getting rid of it, so i grabbed it and burned it outside the house without telling them anything. I still live with my parents.

    So after some weeks or a month they started asking about it because the one that had lent it to them, my "godmother", another novus ordo, wanted it back, so i told my dad that i got rid of it and that i didn't have it. I didn't tell him i burned it because i was a little scared but i just said i got rid of it.

    So now they didn't tell the truth to my "godmother" and merely told her they lost it and that they will pay it back to her, and now they want me to buy it for her, but i already told them i won't.

    I think getting rid of that junk was good because it will spare these people from more sins, but now im wondering if it really was a good thing to do, given that i live with my parents and it wasn't mine.

    What do you think? Did i did bad in burning that book, or was it ok?


    Offline Frances

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    « Reply #1 on: September 17, 2013, 08:02:12 PM »
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  •  :surprised:
    If you live under your parents' roof, you must respect their rules, religion, and property.  It WASN'T their property.  It was another's!  You had no right to burn the book.  I think you now owe at the least, the monetary cost to replace their friend's book.  You've placed your parents in a situation where they appear untrustworthy.  You also lied to them!  Are not destruction of other's property, lying, and ruining another's reputation sins?  Especially when the latter two are against your parents?  That is yet another sin!  Please go to Confession and follow whatever directions the priest gives you in so far as making restitution.  It is good that you hate heresy and whatever promotes it, but your actions were rash.
    Are you an adult?  If your parents' religious belief or practice is intolerable to you, then you need to remove yourself from their home.  If a minor, talk to your priest about how to deal with future incidents.  There are sure to be more upcoming.
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    If a friend loaned you a good traditional book and your father found it so offensive he burned it, how would that be?  One could argue he had the right as the head of his household to do as he pleases with items brought therein.  
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    If YOU owned the books, burning them would have been a good deed.  I once found a half-dozen anti-Catholic books in a thrift store.  The author was an ex-priest turned apostate Fundamentalist Baptist minister.  Although they were overpriced, I purchased them and had myself a little bonfire  in a corner of the chapel parking lot before First Friday Mass.  I must honestly say I was very tempted to STEAL them, and could have done so without getting caught. I also thought of hiding them in various unlikely to be found places in the store.   Father said it would have been sinful to steal them, and probably useless to have hidden them,  but since I'd made the sacrifice of paying for garbage, it was virtuous to burn them so that they'd never cause the loss of another soul.
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     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  


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    « Reply #2 on: September 17, 2013, 08:35:22 PM »
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  • Quote from: Frances
    :surprised:
    If you live under your parents' roof, you must respect their rules, religion, and property.  It WASN'T their property.  It was another's!  You had no right to burn the book.  I think you now owe at the least, the monetary cost to replace their friend's book.  You've placed your parents in a situation where they appear untrustworthy.  You also lied to them!  Are not destruction of other's property, lying, and ruining another's reputation sins?  Especially when the latter two are against your parents?  That is yet another sin!  Please go to Confession and follow whatever directions the priest gives you in so far as making restitution.  It is good that you hate heresy and whatever promotes it, but your actions were rash.
    Are you an adult?  If your parents' religious belief or practice is intolerable to you, then you need to remove yourself from their home.  If a minor, talk to your priest about how to deal with future incidents.  There are sure to be more upcoming.
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    If a friend loaned you a good traditional book and your father found it so offensive he burned it, how would that be?  One could argue he had the right as the head of his household to do as he pleases with items brought therein.  
     :scared2:
    If YOU owned the books, burning them would have been a good deed.  I once found a half-dozen anti-Catholic books in a thrift store.  The author was an ex-priest turned apostate Fundamentalist Baptist minister.  Although they were overpriced, I purchased them and had myself a little bonfire  in a corner of the chapel parking lot before First Friday Mass.  I must honestly say I was very tempted to STEAL them, and could have done so without getting caught. I also thought of hiding them in various unlikely to be found places in the store.   Father said it would have been sinful to steal them, and probably useless to have hidden them,  but since I'd made the sacrifice of paying for garbage, it was virtuous to burn them so that they'd never cause the loss of another soul.
     :heretic:


    But now i think, if i give them the money back, they will sin a lot more and it will be worse for them.

    I know that i shouldn't have done that in the first place, but now that i did it, how can i give them the money back to buy such a bad book? And who knows how many more people it will affect?

    Wouldn't it be better to give the amount the book costs to charity or a poor person or something like that?

    I didn't lie to them, i just told them i don't have it anymore and that i got rid of it. I just didn't tell them how exactly i got rid of it.

    They should have told their "friends" that that is a really bad book and that they should convert, but my parents are apostates themselves so of course that won't happen.

    In reality they shouldn't even have such "friends" to begin with.

    I am 24 but i can't leave the house yet. I wish i could because i can't stand them.

    If they were to burn one of my books, then i think that would be really bad, because it is a good book, as opposed to theirs, an apostate one.

    I read that in Argentina, when Bergoglio was "Cardinal" or something there, some novus ordos or traditionals strormed the "art" shop of a blasphemous anti-Catholic person and they wrecked it, but Bergoglio reprimanded them and said that they should never have done such a thing.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 17, 2013, 08:38:34 PM »
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  • I think you did fine. :) Be happy.
    Sincerely,

    Shin

    'Flores apparuerunt in terra nostra. . . Fulcite me floribus.' (The flowers appear on the earth. . . stay me up with flowers. Sg 2:12,5)'-

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    « Reply #4 on: September 17, 2013, 08:45:34 PM »
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  • Once, my brother took a book written by Andrew Greely. It was a filthy, disgusting book. I can't remember which one it was now, for the life of me, but Andrew Greely wrote quite a few filthy disgusting books...

    Anyway, they were throwing Abbott Marmion books into the recycle bin, among other absolute gems, that a little baptist girl told me about (fancy that) at a "Catholic" novus ordo school. I rescued many of them. And the Andrew Greely stuff was allowed to remain.

    So my brother took a few of those books. Some that were outright filthy, talking about self-pleasure, among other topics that totally didn't belong in a Catholic library visited mainly by impressionable teenagers.

    We had a book burning party with those.

    To this day, I still don't think what he did was wrong. Those books didn't belong there, and I don't care WHO they belonged to. They were donated by sick slimebags to this Catholic school library. I don't think it's wrong to burn a book that contains blasphemy against God.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    « Reply #5 on: September 17, 2013, 08:53:37 PM »
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  • I disagree.  Why not ask a priest?  He'll know much better than a  :dancing-banana:!!!
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #6 on: September 17, 2013, 09:10:36 PM »
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  • Thou shalt not steal.  If it doesn't belong to you, you have no right to dispose of it.  This time it was a book.  What about next time?  An abortion clinic? a gαy club?   You are not God's avenging angel.

    The end never justifies the means

    If you Godmother has read the book chances are she will take your money and not buy a replacement copy.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    « Reply #7 on: September 17, 2013, 09:13:33 PM »
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  • Thou shalt not steal,
    Couldn't be any more clear.
    Best advice, talk to a priest.
    Preferably in the confessional.


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    « Reply #8 on: September 17, 2013, 09:18:59 PM »
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  • I don't have any traditional priest i could go to, that's why i am asking here.

    My parents are telling me that i should buy the actual book with my own money, but i don't see myself capable of that. I can't!

    What i think i could do, is give them the amount of money it was worth and forget about it.

    The people who owned the book are rich so i don't know what they are making a fuss about.

    Deep down i know i shouldn't have done that and instead i shouldve just told my parents to return it or tell them it was bad, but at the same time i feel i just cannot buy the book myself and give it to them.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 17, 2013, 10:35:44 PM »
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  • I empathize with your plight, boloki. I don't know wether it was right or wrong, so I will not attempt to counsel, but it reminds me of a story.

    3 years ago, back when I was Protestant, I gave my sister a Protestant bible. I had been/still am trying to convert her. Every time I go to her house I see that bible I gave her sitting on her night stand. And every time I see it, I want to take it back and destroy it. But I don't steal it because it does not belong to me. My conscience (wether it be right or wrong!) prohibits me from doing so. The best thing I knew to do was admit my ignorance in giving her that bible, and gave her a Catholic one instead. But she doesn't read the Catholic one. :(

    Off topic- That's an interesting name you have, Boloki. What does it mean?
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27

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    « Reply #10 on: September 17, 2013, 10:46:22 PM »
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  • Quote from: Boloki
    Quote from: Frances
    :surprised:
    If you live under your parents' roof, you must respect their rules, religion, and property.  It WASN'T their property.  It was another's!  You had no right to burn the book.  I think you now owe at the least, the monetary cost to replace their friend's book.  You've placed your parents in a situation where they appear untrustworthy.  You also lied to them!  Are not destruction of other's property, lying, and ruining another's reputation sins?  Especially when the latter two are against your parents?  That is yet another sin!  Please go to Confession and follow whatever directions the priest gives you in so far as making restitution.  It is good that you hate heresy and whatever promotes it, but your actions were rash.
    Are you an adult?  If your parents' religious belief or practice is intolerable to you, then you need to remove yourself from their home.  If a minor, talk to your priest about how to deal with future incidents.  There are sure to be more upcoming.
     :reading:
    If a friend loaned you a good traditional book and your father found it so offensive he burned it, how would that be?  One could argue he had the right as the head of his household to do as he pleases with items brought therein.  
     :scared2:
    If YOU owned the books, burning them would have been a good deed.  I once found a half-dozen anti-Catholic books in a thrift store.  The author was an ex-priest turned apostate Fundamentalist Baptist minister.  Although they were overpriced, I purchased them and had myself a little bonfire  in a corner of the chapel parking lot before First Friday Mass.  I must honestly say I was very tempted to STEAL them, and could have done so without getting caught. I also thought of hiding them in various unlikely to be found places in the store.   Father said it would have been sinful to steal them, and probably useless to have hidden them,  but since I'd made the sacrifice of paying for garbage, it was virtuous to burn them so that they'd never cause the loss of another soul.
     :heretic:


    But now i think, if i give them the money back, they will sin a lot more and it will be worse for them.

    I know that i shouldn't have done that in the first place, but now that i did it, how can i give them the money back to buy such a bad book? And who knows how many more people it will affect?

    Wouldn't it be better to give the amount the book costs to charity or a poor person or something like that?

    I didn't lie to them, i just told them i don't have it anymore and that i got rid of it. I just didn't tell them how exactly i got rid of it.

    They should have told their "friends" that that is a really bad book and that they should convert, but my parents are apostates themselves so of course that won't happen.

    In reality they shouldn't even have such "friends" to begin with.

    I am 24 but i can't leave the house yet. I wish i could because i can't stand them.

    If they were to burn one of my books, then i think that would be really bad, because it is a good book, as opposed to theirs, an apostate one.

    I read that in Argentina, when Bergoglio was "Cardinal" or something there, some novus ordos or traditionals strormed the "art" shop of a blasphemous anti-Catholic person and they wrecked it, but Bergoglio reprimanded them and said that they should never have done such a thing.

    The book did not belong to you. You should not have destroyed it. You owe that woman who owns the book either the money to buy another book (actually you should give her a little bit more to recompense her for the inconvenience) or you should buy her the book itself.
    Also you are living in their house. You have to at the minimum demonstrate some respect for their sensibilities. If you can' do that in good conscience then you should start looking for a place of your own.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 17, 2013, 11:04:04 PM »
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  • TCat come ON: no, you cannot break the Commandments, you can't kill people who make you mad, you can't steal and burn books... JUST NO! Wrong is wrong, and you KNOW it!
    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

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  • Quote from: jen51
    I empathize with your plight, boloki. I don't know wether it was right or wrong, so I will not attempt to counsel, but it reminds me of a story.

    3 years ago, back when I was Protestant, I gave my sister a Protestant bible. I had been/still am trying to convert her. Every time I go to her house I see that bible I gave her sitting on her night stand. And every time I see it, I want to take it back and destroy it. But I don't steal it because it does not belong to me. My conscience (wether it be right or wrong!) prohibits me from doing so. The best thing I knew to do was admit my ignorance in giving her that bible, and gave her a Catholic one instead. But she doesn't read the Catholic one. :(

    Off topic- That's an interesting name you have, Boloki. What does it mean?


    Thanks. It doesn't really mean anything, i just made it up as a nickname to my dog. His name is Toro.

    Well, as far as i know it doesn't mean anything, but i dont know if it would mean something in another language.

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  • 'As to the numbers who become Christians, you may understand them from this, that it often happens to me to be hardly able to use my hands from the fatigue of baptizing: often in a single day I have baptized whole villages. Sometimes I have lost my voice and strength altogether with repeating again and again the Credo and the other forms. The fruit that is reaped by the baptism of infants, as well as by the instruction of children and others, is quite incredible. These children, I trust heartily, by the grace of God, will be much better than their fathers. They show an ardent love for the Divine law, and an extraordinary zeal for learning our holy religion and imparting it to others. Their hatred for idolatry is marvellous. They get into feuds with the heathen about it, and whenever their own parents practise it, they reproach them and come off to tell me at once. Whenever I hear of any act of idolatrous worship, I go to the place with a large band of these children, who very soon load the devil with a greater amount of insult and abuse than he has lately received of honor and worship from their parents, relations, and acquaintances. The children run at the idols, upset them, dash them down, break them to pieces, spit on them, trample on them, kick them about, and in short heap on them every possible outrage.'

    St. Francis Xavier

    For your meditation and thought.
    Sincerely,

    Shin

    'Flores apparuerunt in terra nostra. . . Fulcite me floribus.' (The flowers appear on the earth. . . stay me up with flowers. Sg 2:12,5)'-

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    « Reply #14 on: September 17, 2013, 11:35:32 PM »
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    The children run at the idols, upset them, dash them down, break them to pieces, spit on them, trample on them, kick them about, and in short heap on them every possible outrage.'

    St. Francis Xavier

    For your meditation and thought.


    I had forgotten about this. Awesome!