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Offline Jehanne

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Was this video faked?
« on: August 07, 2015, 06:56:47 AM »
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  • It clearly shows a rotating Earth and the Moon going around it:

    http://www.space.com/30168-moon-crosses-earth-face-nasa-video.html

    Some additional explanation here:

    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap150807.html


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Was this video faked?
    « Reply #1 on: August 07, 2015, 07:38:49 AM »
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  • Motion is relative from the perspective of the satellite or whatever it was taking the picture.  It was in fact that device which was moving around the earth making it appear as if the earth was moving (from its perspective).


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    Was this video faked?
    « Reply #2 on: August 07, 2015, 07:48:25 AM »
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  • Wow. A sixteen-frame, low-resolution video loop. Utterly beyond man's capacity for artifice and deception.

    I'm afraid it's airtight, friends. Sacred Scripture is wrong. Immemorial Catholic cosmological Tradition is wrong. And the Church Herself was wrong for persecuting poor, suffering Galileo. Thank goodness John Paul II apologized for that grievous injustice. Perhaps we can open a cause for his canonization.

    Scriptures speak of the signs and wonders that Satan would use to deceive even the elect.... Who'd have thought that the bar for such "wonders" is so low that even a late 90's quality .gif file qualifies.


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    Was this video faked?
    « Reply #3 on: August 07, 2015, 09:41:06 AM »
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  • Is it a fake?  Who knows.  But it could very well be authentic.  On the other hand, it wasn't a stationary object either.  No matter what theory of the universe one ascribes to would require that the satellite taking the video to be in motion.  

    It could be traveling with the cosmos around the earth.

    It could be traveling with the earth around the sun.

    It could be traveling with the sun around the center of the galaxy.

    It could be traveling with the galaxy through the universe.

    Establishing a point in space in relative to a particular objects and arbitrary choosing a focal point does not prove anything.  Even modernist "big-bang" scientists have to admit that.

    So what is the point of this topic?

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    Was this video faked?
    « Reply #4 on: August 07, 2015, 09:47:58 AM »
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  • I watched the entire DVD here:

    http://gwwdvd.com/?wpam_refkey=4

    and I am firmly convinced that the earth doesn't move.

    They tried to prove the earth moved (the Copernican Principle) countless ways, devised many experiments, which all failed to show motion.

    Then complicated and obtuse mathematical formula were created, to try to save the Copernican system. Einstein's theories of special relativity and general relativity, for example.

    The best part of the DVD? All the dozens of quotes -- especially all the quotes from the atheists, Copernican fanboys and Big Bangers where they squirm and writhe as they admit various things about the Earth not moving and/or the problems with their own theories! I love it.

    The DVD was fascinating -- I didn't know that the cause for the Big Bang and a "moving earth" was so tenuous and ready to collapse!

    I highly recommend it. Even the mathematical stuff where my eyes glazed over they explain so I can "take away" the main point. They give everyone the gist or main point of the more difficult stuff that is above most people.

    They had a lot of helpful graphics, animations, voiceovers, and a nice musical score throughout.
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    Was this video faked?
    « Reply #5 on: August 07, 2015, 10:05:25 AM »
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  • Every scientific experiment they have ever devised which SHOULD have proven that the earth moves HAS FAILED.  Without exception.  They are absolutely befuddled and can't explain it.  Not only that but it's clear that the earth is at the center of the created universe.

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    Was this video faked?
    « Reply #6 on: August 07, 2015, 10:16:35 AM »
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  • From an another perspective. I had a science teacher in High School that
    taught that the earth is actually oval shape and not round.
    In these days it is very easy to fake a video because of the new technologies
    and the watcher is most likely not capable of critical judgment. Because
    he is told what to see and believe.
    We reached the perfect "animal farm".



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    Was this video faked?
    « Reply #7 on: August 07, 2015, 11:49:47 AM »
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  • Maybe we should pool all our extra pocket money and buy a rocket to take us into outer space and see first hand?

    I do know that the non-believers and atheists are working overtime to inculcate society into a atheist viewpoint.  The enemies of Catholicism are, and have been, working overtime.  



    Offline PerEvangelicaDicta

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    Was this video faked?
    « Reply #8 on: August 07, 2015, 12:04:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: BTNYC
    Wow. A sixteen-frame, low-resolution video loop. Utterly beyond man's capacity for artifice and deception.

    I'm afraid it's airtight, friends. Sacred Scripture is wrong. Immemorial Catholic cosmological Tradition is wrong. And the Church Herself was wrong for persecuting poor, suffering Galileo. Thank goodness John Paul II apologized for that grievous injustice. Perhaps we can open a cause for his canonization.

    Scriptures speak of the signs and wonders that Satan would use to deceive even the elect.... Who'd have thought that the bar for such "wonders" is so low that even a late 90's quality .gif file qualifies.



    But even if one is not Catholic, consider the source of the video.  At the very least, a thinking man should view nasa and space.com (also nasa) with great skepticism.

    But to your point, as Catholics, we must trust Church teaching since the signs and wonders of satan tempt us all to doubt Christ Himself by means of their god of supreme deceit, pseudo science.  

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    Was this video faked?
    « Reply #9 on: August 07, 2015, 12:09:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    From an another perspective. I had a science teacher in High School that
    taught that the earth is actually oval shape and not round.
    In these days it is very easy to fake a video because of the new technologies
    and the watcher is most likely not capable of critical judgment. Because
    he is told what to see and believe.
    We reached the perfect "animal farm".


    First of all the video seems genuine. All it takes is for the satellite to be orbiting the earth outside the sphere of the moon. Thus a video will show a rotating earth whereas it is the satellite that is rotating around a stationary earth. They then edited the video to show only the times the moon passed between them as it orbited the earth.

    As for the oval earth RC, well that is a theory of Newton's, an evolutionary theory to account for the precession of the equinoxes. They needed the earth to wobble so0 Newton said a revolving bulging earth would wobble causing the precession. As for how it got its bulge, well he speculated that if the earth was once a 'liquid' revolving mass then it would develop a bulge.

    So the Earthmovers then needed a bulging earth. Thus began another fraud by geodists who measured the curve of the earth and with a little bit of juggling said they confirmed Newton's bulge. when their maths was examined it showed no such confirmation. Not that that mattered, they needed a heliocentric bulge and that is where your teacher got his. Oh, the bulge is only a few feet around the equator so cannot be seen, it exists only in the heliocentric imagination. So, no bulge does not mean their video of global earth is not real.

    As for the far side of the moon, well here is a holy man writing about this.;

    CHAPTER FOUR. The moon is subject to the sun; the sun attains true glory when united with God.
    … The moon has two properties which can help us to ascend to and attain our God. The first is that, the more the moon draws near the sun, the more it is illuminated in its higher part, which looks toward heaven, and the more it falls into shadow on its lower part, which looks towards earth. And when it is wholly beneath the sun and is wholly in conjunction with it, then it is totally bright toward heaven and darkened toward earth. Conversely, when the moon is opposite the sun, people living on the earth see it as completely bright, but it has no light on its upper part, which is seen by heaven’s inhabitants. This property of the moon can be seen as a fine illustration or example for moral men so they can understand how careful they should be about their closeness, subordination, and union to God, the true Father of light. The moon stands for man, the sun stands for God, when the moon is opposite the sun then the light borrowed from the sun looks only at the earth and in a way turns its back on heaven. Hence it appears very beautiful to earth’s inhabitants but very ugly to heaven’s inhabitants. In exactly the same way mortal men, when they wander far from God, are like the prodigal son who left his father and went to a distant country. They misuse the light of reason, which they received from the Father of lights; examining only the earth they forgot God, think only about the earth and have only the earth and devote themselves wholly to acquiring earthly goods….

        This is why St Augustine notes in his Letter to Januarious, the Passover of the Lord in both the Old and New Law cannot be celebrated properly except after a full moon, that is, when the moon, which is opposite the sun at full moon, begins to turn and to come back into conjunction with the sun. God wanted to show by thisheavenly sign how it happens through the passion and resurrection of the Lord that a man who is opposed to God by his sinfulness begins to turn towards God and through the merits of Jesus Christ to hasten to grace and union with Him….
    From Cardinal Bellarmine's 1614 book  ‘The Consideration of the Heavens, the Sun, the Moon, and the Stars.’

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    Was this video faked?
    « Reply #10 on: August 07, 2015, 09:09:44 PM »
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  • Just so everyone is clear, the satellite is not in orbit around the Earth; it's at the L1 point:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Climate_Observatory


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    « Reply #11 on: August 08, 2015, 07:45:18 AM »
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  • Quote from: Jehanne
    Just so everyone is clear, the satellite is not in orbit around the Earth; it's at the L1 point:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Climate_Observatory


    Of all the ploys used by the Galileans to get the earth revolving, the use of satellites has now become their favourite.

    Without even reading up on L1 points, I guess it is portrayed as 'standionary in space.'

    In a geocentric order this is an illusion. It may well be stationary but it is in a revolving universe.
    It is like a man sitting stationary in a bus. Is he 'stationary' or moving with the bus?
     Looking out it seems to him as a 'stationary passenger' that the buildings are flying past him and if he videoed them they would come up on the screen as moving buildings.

    But they are not.

    likewise, stationary satellite videos will show a rotating earth, so a video of a rotating earth is no big deal or proof that it is the earth that is spinning.

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    « Reply #12 on: August 08, 2015, 08:52:15 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    I watched the entire DVD here:

    http://gwwdvd.com/?wpam_refkey=4

    and I am firmly convinced that the earth doesn't move.

    They tried to prove the earth moved (the Copernican Principle) countless ways, devised many experiments, which all failed to show motion.

    Then complicated and obtuse mathematical formula were created, to try to save the Copernican system. Einstein's theories of special relativity and general relativity,  


    Ok Matthew, this is for you and others on CIF, for having faith in the biblical revelation of a geocentric world.

    The general consensus is that everything we witness has a geocentric and heliocentric explanation. This is called relative movement and was accepted by science when Einstein rescued heliocentrism from the M&M experiments.

    Well They all missed something that Walter van der Kamp spotted, and it is related to the FACT of stellar aberration.

    Let me remind readers of SA. Bradley, in 1726, looking for stellar parallax, found what is called stellar aberration. He found that in one year every star in the heavens does a similar size circle. Viewed from earth, these circles will have different shapes according to angles, if you know what I mean.

    The Earthmovers said it was caused by a orbiting earth whereas it could also be caused by orbiting stars around the earth. Airy did a test that showed it was the movement of the stars that caused it but the Galileans ignored this and carried on claiming SA was proof for a spinning earth.

    It was Walter who spotted something that blows the whole Einstein relativity rescue package apart.

    The problem for the Copernicans is the FACT that all the stars do a similar size circular movement every year. There lies a big problem for science. I tell you why.

    Stellar Aberration was found looking for stellar parallax. SP is only found with  NEAR STARS. Far stars are so far away that their parallax cannot be seen.

    Now apply this logic - THAT THE FURTHER AWAY A STAR IS THE SMALLER ANY MOVEMENT IT MAKES SHOULD BE SMALLER THAN NEARER STARS - to Stellar Aberration that has all stars showing the same size.

    ACCORDING TO Einstein's RELATIVITY THERE SHOULD BE A GEOCENTRIC AND HELIOCENTRIC EXPLANATION FOR STELLAR ABERRATION.

    Bradley’s stellar aberration is so important; for it alone among all the tests and ‘proofs’ provided by science incorporates the stars with the solar-system and the earth. Now if Einstein’s theory of relativity is to deliver, and science asserts that it does, we have to find a geocentric order that conforms to the stellar aberration that Bradley found. So, what geocentric arrangement must the universe have that will show us all the stars with an equal-size aberration? To do this we have to adopt the Tychonic model and geometrically centre the stars on the sun. Now, from earth, every star will be seen to rotate annually together with the sun’s orbit.

    Mediate for a few moments and the truth will dawn on you. Such a single observation, but one of momentous importance we have here. According to the ruling relativity it makes with regard to the cosmos that the astronomers observe no physical difference, pontificates Sir Fred Hoyle, whether we declare the universe centered on the sun or the earth. This profession, you will already have realized, is false. The two universes that this contention envisages could not physically be more different than they are. The earth-centered one basically requires a Stellatum like that of Antiquity and the Middle-Ages to account for what we “here below” diurnally and annually observe. The never proven, nor provable, gospel of Galileo has in the long run reduced us to little blobs of thinking jelly on a pellet of stardust corkscrewing from somewhere into the nowhere of nothingless. The Sun-centered hypothesis truly “saves the appearance,” but the Earth-centered view only will do this if we re-introduce the Stellatum of yore and arrange the stars in that celestial sphere. A simple observation, but the Einsteinian theories are thereby condemned irrefutably. Which in a manner of speaking puts us back to square one. That is in the cul-de-sac into which after 1887 classical science found itself….
         And I have to stress the irrefutability of my conclusion. For here we have much more than a-by means of experimentation acquired “disproof” that can be overcome by suitable ad hocs. We have a logical and ontological impossibility. The structure of the universe that firsthand observations prompt us to extrapolate from an Earth at rest is totally different from that of a Sun at rest. Relativity maintains that there will be no physical differences between the two. Relativity is therefore wrong and Einstein thereby dethroned.’
    --- Walter van der Kamp: The Cosmos… p.34-35.
     
    Walter: ‘You mean to tell me that if from earth we see every star move in circles of the exact same size once a year, which we do as shown by stellar aberration, then, according to your theory of relativity and the heliocentric model, then we should see the orbit of the earth around the sun exactly the same as seen from each of these stars?’
    Albert:  ‘yes, of course.
    Walter: ‘Is that a fact? Well let me simplify it for you Albert.  First take a man on the geocentric earth. He, we know, sees all the stars make similar sized aberration orbits as Bradley did, yes? Now put men on all the stars in the relativity model above right. According to your theory every man on every star will see the earth make the same orbit.
    Einstein: Of course. If, if, now let me see, ehhhhhh, ahhhhh, I…I… well you know I am no astronomer, but…mmmm, oh cripes, I see what you are getting at. The fixed stars are not all at the same distance from the earth so men on each star WILL NOT see the earth’s orbit the same size, for the further away the star is the smaller the earth’s orbit or circle would be seen.

    ‘Scientific theories come and go – but the clear and simple
    trustworthy word of God stands forever.’                                        
    Walter van der Kamp. (D. 1998)
     


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    « Reply #13 on: August 08, 2015, 04:11:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: cassini
    Quote from: Jehanne
    Just so everyone is clear, the satellite is not in orbit around the Earth; it's at the L1 point:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Climate_Observatory


    Of all the ploys used by the Galileans to get the earth revolving, the use of satellites has now become their favourite.

    Without even reading up on L1 points, I guess it is portrayed as 'standionary in space.'

    In a geocentric order this is an illusion. It may well be stationary but it is in a revolving universe.
    It is like a man sitting stationary in a bus. Is he 'stationary' or moving with the bus?
     Looking out it seems to him as a 'stationary passenger' that the buildings are flying past him and if he videoed them they would come up on the screen as moving buildings.

    But they are not.

    likewise, stationary satellite videos will show a rotating earth, so a video of a rotating earth is no big deal or proof that it is the earth that is spinning.


    Again, from the standpoint of physics, motion is entirely RELATIVE, and there's no easy way to prove which of two objects, if either one, is in motion, and which, if either, is stationary.

    Basically, heliocentrism rests upon the premise that the object with the bigger mass MUST be stationary relative to the object with the smaller mass.  And, yet, somehow with satellites, that presumption isn't true?  How convenient!  So we have a satellite that can be stationary while the earth moves, and yet that can't be true of the earth, that it's stationary while the sun moves?  This alone demonstrates the dishonesty of the heliocentrists.

    PS -- heliocentrism is NOT actually accepted even by the modern atheistic scientists because in no way can the sun be considered to be "stationary".  In fact, even in Newtonian physics the earth is claimed to revolved around the "center of mass" of the SOLAR SYSTEM and not the Sun per se.  But most scientists consider the sun to be in motion and so now depict the motion of the planets in relation to one another in a kind of dynamic spiral.

    This here (attached) is the current model being used.  So much for the "simple" and "intuitive" Galileo model, eh?

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    « Reply #14 on: August 09, 2015, 07:26:25 AM »
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  • That's correct; the Sun is moving in an orbit around the Galactic center:

    http://www.astrosociety.org/edu/publications/tnl/71/howfast.html

    The sun's motion around the Galactic center has been confirmed from its solar parallax:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_apex