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Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?

He was a traitor who tried to kill a great German leader.
7 (31.8%)
He was a Catholic hero who tried to save his country from the nαzιs.
10 (45.5%)
The attempted tyrranicide was justified.
4 (18.2%)
I don't know or care about WWII history.
1 (4.5%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: November 12, 2017, 09:03:04 PM

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Offline Incredulous

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Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
« Reply #165 on: November 13, 2017, 11:37:56 AM »
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  • What is at issue is not Catholics vs "nαzιs".  There were the German people and their nation Germany.
    There were non-Catholics and many Catholics. They were all German citizens, and many of them supporters and members of the National Socialist movement which was a legitimate response to the injustice and degradation which was forced upon that nation.

    No one else came to that unfortunate country's defense after WWI. We heard little if anything from the Vatican during that period. There was no encyclical or outcry against the great injustice at Versailles which was both dominated and demanded by an over repesented Jєωιѕн minority. There was no direction as to how German Catholics were to respond or live within the horrors and perversities of Wiemar Germany.

    As I understand it, the Bishop who was most responsible for Mit Brenner had conflicted with the NS government, was himself a stong sympathiser with the Jews and saw their treatment  as a violation against God's chosen people.

    What has always puzzled me is why there was never any official Catholic response to the almost complete destruction of the European Catholic infrastucture by Allied bombing and shelling in many countries?
    Nor were there any docuмents written against the completely immoral war aims and methods employed by the Allies. Huge numbers of Catholics in Germany's south were incinerated and suffered inhumane privations by continual attacks and bombing of civilian areas, and yet the Vatican came to the defense of a small and subversive minority in Germany rather than that of its own co-religionists. Were global politics involved at this point? Can there be any doubt?
    Did Catholics in the west and the Allied services not deserve a similar encyclical warning them against the policies and tactics of their respective countries and services that were totally un-Catholic and even anti-Christian.

    Boy, that's a whole separate topic.

    Pope Pius XII's tenure was filled with ambiguities.

    He knew the Germans and the communist threat better than anyone but was virtually silent on "Uncle Joe" rat Stalin.

    Instead, he spent a lot of energy making fake passports for the jews and was given $1 million by Golda Meier afterwards.

    And how about the Fatima Consecration, which he knew how to execute, but failed to do so?

    And his handling of Montini after he was caught negotiating with the Russians and revealing where Catholic clerics were in the country.




    Yep, Pope Pacelli is whole separate, mega-topic. 
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #166 on: November 13, 2017, 11:51:20 AM »
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  • If he's a pope, then please speak of him as such; if he isn't, then don't call him pope.


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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #167 on: November 13, 2017, 06:37:32 PM »
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  • Boy, that's a whole separate topic.

    Pope Pius XII's tenure was filled with ambiguities.

    He knew the Germans and the communist threat better than anyone but was virtually silent on "Uncle Joe" rat Stalin.

    Instead, he spent a lot of energy making fake passports for the jews and was given $1 million by Golda Meier afterwards.

    And how about the Fatima Consecration, which he knew how to execute, but failed to do so?

    And his handling of Montini after he was caught negotiating with the Russians and revealing where Catholic clerics were in the country.




    Yep, Pope Pacelli is whole separate, mega-topic.
    The Church has always been political in the true sense of that word, meaning that she concerned Herself with matters of justice in the various worldly spheres of governance, economics, and social structure, so that these things might comport with the natural law and the model which was the ancient Hebrew society of the Old Testament. 
    This again was not the modern idea of such realms which today are devoid of the Divine nature and intent.

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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #168 on: November 13, 2017, 10:06:56 PM »
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  • I amazes me how Jews twist the topics in an attempt to follow an agenda. This thread has been seriously derailed.
    JPAUL and LeDeg: Thank you for your spot on contribution to this subversive natured thread.. 
    "As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise: The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people." -Pope St. Pius X

    "No Jew adores God! Who say so?  The Son of God say so."

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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #169 on: November 14, 2017, 01:56:23 AM »
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  • I amazes me how Jews twist the topics in an attempt to follow an agenda. This thread has been seriously derailed.
    JPAUL and LeDeg: Thank you for your spot on contribution to this subversive natured thread..
    Ah well, that saves future wasted time.

    No response, save gratuitous and guileful insinuation.

    Good to know, and done.



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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #170 on: November 14, 2017, 09:43:02 AM »
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  • I amazes me how Jews twist the topics in an attempt to follow an agenda. This thread has been seriously derailed.

    It is really to be expected, that is their way, and for others, we must consider that the majority of folks have been poorly served by the "education" sytems and then culturally indoctrinated into the anti-Christ worldview.
    And I easily admit to having been such a man for the better part of my life. People must know or sense that there is truth beyond what they know, or think that they know before a search for it can ensue.
    It is very hard to unlearn the false realities of the world.

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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #171 on: November 14, 2017, 02:27:43 PM »
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  • This is so full of damage control propaganda it's pathetic. Hitler was on the payroll of the Masons? And your citing Stalinist docuмents as sources?  :facepalm:


    Yes, he was funded by "ʝʊdɛօ-masons".

    Or do you think Hitler was a self-funded financial whiz?

    After three rounds of post war hyper-inflation, Germany was on it's knees.

    Here's a video of a highly organized and well funded nαzι party rally in Nuremberg:
    Who paid for these rallies ?  Germany was far worse off financially than the US.

    1933, the very same year Hitler came to power, FDR banned Jєωιѕн immigration into the US ?   The timing was not a coincidence.


    There was an ulterior motive, to funding of the nαzι's rise to power.

    The zionist elite "theme" was to herd all the jews back into Palestine.  

    The jews really didn't want to go to that outback, but this Hitler accomplished, through selected persecutions and the war.

    Here's a lecture on it:      

    Debunk it if you can  :jester:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #172 on: November 14, 2017, 03:29:53 PM »
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  • Yes, he was funded by "ʝʊdɛօ-masons".

    Or do you think Hitler was a self-funded financial whiz?

    After three rounds of post war hyper-inflation, Germany was on it's knees.

    Here's a video of a highly organized and well funded nαzι party rally in Nuremberg:
    Who paid for these rallies ?  Germany was far worse off financially than the US.

    1933, the very same year Hitler came to power, FDR banned Jєωιѕн immigration into the US ?   The timing was not a coincidence.


    There was an ulterior motive, to funding of the nαzι's rise to power.

    The zionist elite "theme" was to herd all the jews back into Palestine.  

    The jews really didn't want to go to that outback, but this Hitler accomplished, through selected persecutions and the war.

    Here's a lecture on it:      

    Debunk it if you can  :jester:
    When I get the time, I will be happy to.
    "You must train harder than the enemy who is trying to kill you. You will get all the rest you need in the grave."- Leon Degrelle


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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #173 on: November 14, 2017, 04:23:13 PM »
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  • Removing the usurers from the system, nationalizing the money supply, switching to a labor/resource based monitary system, and other remedies revived the German economy almost overnight, and after three years it was booming and the strongest in Europe while the U.S. was still suffering from a depression.

    It is all in the record for those who are inclined to do some honest research on the subject.

    Germany was at war with the Jews, and Masonry, and the Communists which were both dominated by Jews.

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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #174 on: November 14, 2017, 04:37:33 PM »
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  • It is all in the record for those who are inclined to do some honest research on the subject.

    Maybe this article for starters for anyone that may be interested...

    Click title below...

    How Hitler Defied the International Bankers

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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #175 on: November 14, 2017, 07:03:00 PM »
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  • Maybe this article for starters for anyone that may be interested...

    Click title below...

    How Hitler Defied the International Bankers
    Yes, things like this.  Thanks for providing an example.


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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #176 on: November 14, 2017, 07:34:34 PM »
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  • Thank you, St Ignatius and JPaul. The article contains pretty much the information I was going to bring forth.


    I would counter the Condit video with this. This interview with Dennis Wise, who produced the epic films, The Greatest Story Never Told and Communism Through the Back Door, which I cannot recommend more, is conducted by Kyle Hunt who produced Hellstorm, which docuмents the real "h0Ɩ0cαųst", i.e., the bombing of Dresden. Dennis Wise is a Trad Catholic, and I've conversed with him via email. This interview specifically singles out Condit, amongst others, and his/their canards. Dennis' family were from Croatia and Dennis is a British citizen. His father fought for Hitler in the war and were devout Catholics.






    I don't need to refute Condit. It has been aptly done by smarter and more informed men than I already.
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #177 on: November 14, 2017, 07:45:26 PM »
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  • Great short presentation by Mr. Wise. As always, he nails it.



    "You must train harder than the enemy who is trying to kill you. You will get all the rest you need in the grave."- Leon Degrelle

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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #178 on: November 16, 2017, 04:42:44 PM »
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  • I would much rather be seen as a traditional Catholic than an anti-jew, so that works out very well.
    :)

    I think you are right about it being a racial and racist religion and that some Jews still see me as a Jew.  But they have a lot of different opinions on this and it is hard to keep track of which branch of Judaism thinks what.  I know that converts like me are not allowed to immigrate to Israel on the grounds that we are not really Jєωιѕн.
    That is an interesting point, although I don't believe it is an absolute statement;
    The Law of Return (Hebrewחֹוק הַשְׁבוּת‎, ḥok ha-shvūt) is an Israeli law, passed on 5 July 1950, which gives Jews theright to come and live in Israel and to gain Israeli citizenship.[1] In 1970, the right of entry and settlement was extended to people with one Jєωιѕн grandparent and a person who is married to a Jew, whether or not he or she is considered Jєωιѕн under Orthodox interpretations of Halakha.[2]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return



    Do you have at least one Jєωιѕн grandparent?

    Ironically, Israel has some of  the same standards that the NS German govt had under the Nuremberg Laws classifying one as a "jew";


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws#Classifications_under_the_laws

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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #179 on: November 16, 2017, 04:54:58 PM »
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  • We're digressing. This is the last post, that stayed "on topic".   :jester:


    To respond to Alaric's comments:  What did Col von Stauffenberg know about Hitler... and when did he know it?

    In the  Stalinist "Red Symphony" transcripts, we learned Hitler was funded by the Rothschild elites.  
    After national recovery, around 1938, when Hitler dared to print money, he became a "Bonapartist", a marked man, as they say.

    WWII showed an incredible level of rabbinic sophistication in managing the "international show business".  
    FDR, Churchill, Stalin, Hitler were all on the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic payroll.

    But it is hard to discern reality, when the yids are running the show?  

    So what did Colonel von Stauffenberg really know about the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic theater?

    For example, there's a credible accusation that FDR was found dead in Georgia with a gunshot wound to the head.
    The story was effectively covered-up, to claim he had a stroke.

    But in the initial story, leaked, said it was a ѕυιcιdє.   A closed room gunshot, meant it could as well have been an assassin.  


    FDR's closed casket covered-up the head shot
    So, the warning that St. Maximilian Kolbe gave to the Freemasons was very accurate and relevant.  

    In the 1930's he wrote to tell them based on the Protocols, the jews would annihilate them when the time was right.

    If Col. von Stauffenberg had succeeded, at least Germany could have sued for peace, instead of undergoing total destruction.
    Germany was targeted for total anihilation either way, they openly defied the Jєωιѕн menace and were going to pay dearly in the end, no matter who was running the show at that point. To the Jew, you are only an animal anyway and all the "goyim" must be annihilated sooner or later anway. The тαℓмυdists (jews) have only recourse and that is "is it good for jews?".And quite frankly, no sovereign nation or independent people are ever "good for jews". Our mere existence is an anathema to them.
    The are similar to Islam with the exception that Islam expects the whole world to eventually submit to Allah, while the jew only accepts those part of his racial brethren. The rest of us are mere chattel or cannon fodder to be used at their whim.
    They literally believe they're "gods" on earth.