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Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?

He was a traitor who tried to kill a great German leader.
7 (31.8%)
He was a Catholic hero who tried to save his country from the nαzιs.
10 (45.5%)
The attempted tyrranicide was justified.
4 (18.2%)
I don't know or care about WWII history.
1 (4.5%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: November 12, 2017, 09:03:04 PM

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Offline DZ PLEASE

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Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
« Reply #135 on: November 12, 2017, 07:24:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 12, 2017, 07:04:56 AM
    DZPlease wrote:
    Although it was not necessary for you to defend me, I have to say that seeing a man's chivalrous instincts makes me feel warm all over.  

    Thanks for making me feel good.   :)
    Had I a wife around, and I weren't, I would hope for and expect the same ma'am, within proper and Catholic bounds of course.

    Thank God though, for it's a duty, not an option. 

    Besides, it's likely borne of compulsion, and not chivalry. I don't deal well with nonsense or bullying; this isn't a matter of virtue, but more of psychology. 

    For instance, there's all this talk of honor and nobility, but when it comes to actions, we get things like a gang up on a woman. 

    In this instance, it wouldn't matter if you're a Jewess or otherwise; you are being polite, at least trying to be fair and reasonable, and are going out of your way to not be offensive, "hidden" and unproven motives aside. 

    Someone who is out of bounds, is out of bounds, married or not, Catholic or not, but people need to remember that if they're going to "give the business" to a woman, the honorable and non-cowardly/non-bullying thing to do would be to not speak to her any differently than if her male family were about; granted, if they were then it likely wouldn't, and shouldn't, get that far, but the point remains regardless.

    We go by what is manifest, not by what may be.

    But, to be polite, you're welcome ma'am.
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #136 on: November 12, 2017, 07:38:30 AM »
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    • One of the best things about being an old fat woman with no sex appeal whatsoever (except to my husband, oddly enough) is that I get to express appreciation for men without it coming across as flirting.  That is nice for me because I really like men.
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    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #137 on: November 12, 2017, 07:44:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 12, 2017, 07:38:30 AM
    One of the best things about being an old fat woman with no sex appeal whatsoever (except to my husband, oddly enough) is that I get to express appreciation for men without it coming across as flirting.  That is nice for me because I really like men.
    Which helps, because we tend to be a bit thick and need clear feedback.

    This is part of why I chose a goofy dog as a profile pic, besides liking stupid, goofy, affable dogs that is.

    If you think about it ma'am, being "mini Marys" includes speaking as or for her after a fashion, so that we are better motivated and guided.

    This is why we are to love women, as women, with "woman" being defined by the woman.

    Real women are her ambassadors, her spokespersons, though as such you speak most often and by a kind of special silence, just as in Scripture.

    It's a massive, and generally underappreciated, responsibility.

    Speaking of, I don't think that you should speak of yourself in such an unflattering manner, for her sake if not yours.

    Regardless, "Deo gratias, et Mariae".
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #138 on: November 12, 2017, 09:38:46 AM »
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    That would be more than enough.
    Sure, if you're a Marrano.

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    Thus far as I've seen, you think more Jew than she does,
    So not sucking up to Jews and their minions is thinking "more" Jєωιѕн. 

    Ok, try and explain that one away sharp guy.

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    uch as in holding that Catholicism can be Judaised. 

    You were saying?




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    If you're going to pick on someone, why not try a not woman?
    Hey look , I'm not "picking" on anyone, just answering the OP and making an observation of   JK's replies. Why don't you mind you're own business and stick to the topic at hand instead of playing Internet Sir Galadouche. I know it's hard to stay on point for guys like you, but try and focus on the topic and the questions I asked in rebuttal there loverboy.



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    Better yet, why don't you safety that thing and try it again with a little less assyness?
    I can defintely see English isn't your first language there special"DK" and I'm not exactly a grammar nαzι myself, but can you at least put together a  complete coherent sentence so someone might actually know what the hell you're trying to say?

    How's that for "assyness" schmuckster?
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #139 on: November 12, 2017, 09:43:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: alaric on November 12, 2017, 09:38:46 AM
    Sure, if you're a Marrano.
    So not sucking up to Jews and their minions is thinking "more" Jєωιѕн.

    Ok, try and explain that one away sharp guy.
    You were saying?



    Hey look , I'm not "picking" on anyone, just answering the OP and making an observation of   JK's replies. Why don't you mind you're own business and stick to the topic at hand instead of playing Internet Sir Galadouche. I know it's hard to stay on point for guys like you, but try and focus on the topic and the questions I asked in rebuttal there loverboy.


    I can defintely see English isn't your first language there special"DK" and I'm not exactly a grammar nαzι myself, but can you at least put together a  complete coherent sentence so someone might actually know what the hell you're trying to say?

    How's that for "assyness" schmuckster?
    Your ratio is starting to make me seriously doubt CI's integrity, but it is more likely that you've taken up drinking antifreeze in the interim, or you're a hacker.

    Rant to yourself either way tweaker. 

    Bye.
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #140 on: November 12, 2017, 09:47:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: alaric on November 12, 2017, 09:38:46 AM
    Sure, if you're a Marrano.
    I am not sure what point you are making.  Could you explain or rephrase this please?
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #141 on: November 12, 2017, 09:48:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 12, 2017, 09:47:13 AM
    I am not sure what point you are making.  Could you explain or rephrase this please?
    Axes, as such, don't have points ma'am. 

    Ugliness tends to lord, as is seen clearly here.
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #142 on: November 12, 2017, 09:51:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 12, 2017, 07:00:52 AM
    For many (maybe most) Jews, just converting to Catholicism is enough to make me a traitor in their eyes.  I am also anti-Zionist, express skepticism about the h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative, and acknowledge disproportionate influence by Jews in politics, media, etc.  Any one of those things would be considered traitorous.

    I just want to make clear that I am not complaining about it.  It has been a good thing because right from the beginning it has been obvious to me that I had to choose between Judaism and Christianity.  There are groups around like "Jews for Jesus" and "Association of Hebrew Catholics" that try to tell people they can have both, so I am grateful that I didn't get confused by this and accept their Judaizing.
    I don't know, from what I know, you will always be a "jew" to them, especially the orthodox. Were you born from a Jєωιѕн mother? to them you will always be a Jew, traitor or not.The thing with judaism, is, it is basically a racial religion, you know like the "nαzιs" they go kvetching about so much. At any rate, it's not so much to be just "anti-Zionist", that is very much a misdirect and the jews know it. Christ was not dealing with "zionists" as much as Jews themselves, he knew where their religion had gone and it was no longer spiritual as much as an ethnic and "specialness" with racial overtones. That's what he was condemning, on top of their hypocrisy, which is exactly what the jews of today are guilty of, being racists and hypocrites wrapped around their "religion".
    At any rate, I don't see you "anti-jew" as much as a trad Cath from my vantage point, just saying.
    And I've been reading your posts a long time.
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #143 on: November 12, 2017, 09:52:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on November 12, 2017, 09:48:59 AM
    Axes, as such, don't have points ma'am.

    Ugliness tends to lord, as is seen clearly here.
    Alaric has some history with me years ago on another forum.  There may be some justification for his apparent hostility toward me.  I would rather focus on the content and ignore the tone.
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #144 on: November 12, 2017, 09:53:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 12, 2017, 09:47:13 AM
    I am not sure what point you are making.  Could you explain or rephrase this please?
    Jayne, I know, you know what a Marrano is. I'm not exactly saying you're one.
    But you know where I'm going.
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #145 on: November 12, 2017, 10:00:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 12, 2017, 09:52:52 AM
    Alaric has some history with me years ago on another forum.  There may be some justification for his apparent hostility toward me.  I would rather focus on the content and ignore the tone.
    As "Jayne K", correct? 
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #146 on: November 12, 2017, 10:01:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: alaric on November 12, 2017, 09:51:12 AM
    I don't know, from what I know, you will always be a "jew" to them, especially the orthodox. Were you born from a Jєωιѕн mother? to them you will always be a Jew, traitor or not.The thing with judaism, is, it is basically a racial religion, you know like the "nαzιs" they go kvetching about so much. At any rate, it's not so much to be just "anti-Zionist", that is very much a misdirect and the jews know it. Christ was not dealing with "zionists" as much as Jews themselves, he knew where their religion had gone and it was no longer spiritual as much as an ethnic and "specialness" with racial overtones. That's what he was condemning, on top of their hypocrisy, which is exactly what the jews of today are guilty of, being racists and hypocrites wrapped around their "religion".
    At any rate, I don't see you "anti-jew" as much as a trad Cath from my vantage point, just saying.
    And I've been reading your posts a long time.
    I would much rather be seen as a traditional Catholic than an anti-jew, so that works out very well.
    :)

    I think you are right about it being a racial and racist religion and that some Jews still see me as a Jew.  But they have a lot of different opinions on this and it is hard to keep track of which branch of Judaism thinks what.  I know that converts like me are not allowed to immigrate to Israel on the grounds that we are not really Jєωιѕн.
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #147 on: November 12, 2017, 10:02:12 AM »
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #148 on: November 12, 2017, 10:04:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 12, 2017, 10:01:20 AM
    I would much rather be seen as a traditional Catholic than an anti-jew, so that works out very well.
    :)

    I think you are right about it being a racial and racist religion and that some Jews still see me as a Jew.  But they have a lot of different opinions on this and it is hard to keep track of which branch of Judaism thinks what.  I know that converts like me are not allowed to immigrate to Israel on the grounds that we are not really Jєωιѕн.
    Ma'am, Christ is Lord; if we dance to another tune, just who is kidding who?

    The Jews, all summed, are IRRELEVANT.
    If you're Catholic then who, if you'll pardon, gives a shit what a bunch of Christ killing reprobati, or their like who think themselves their opposite, think?
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #149 on: November 12, 2017, 10:10:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: alaric on November 12, 2017, 09:53:50 AM
    Jayne, I know, you know what a Marrano is. I'm not exactly saying you're one.
    But you know where I'm going.
    I really found it difficult to follow (in part because of the way the quoting works on this forum).  Rereading the last couple pages of the thread, I am wondering if you are saying that Jews would probably not think of me as a traitor, but assume that I am only pretending to be Catholic in order to harm the Church.
    Is that what you meant?  In any event, that has not been my experience. I find that Jews tend to be hostile and negative about me becoming Catholic.
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