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Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?

He was a traitor who tried to kill a great German leader.
7 (31.8%)
He was a Catholic hero who tried to save his country from the nαzιs.
10 (45.5%)
The attempted tyrranicide was justified.
4 (18.2%)
I don't know or care about WWII history.
1 (4.5%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: November 12, 2017, 09:03:04 PM

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Offline DZ PLEASE

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Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
« Reply #120 on: November 11, 2017, 04:06:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 11, 2017, 03:57:21 AM
    I was born and raised Jєωιѕн.  Gotmittuns has accused me of being a Marrano on multiple occasions.

     If so, and in writing "if" I'm merely allowing for innocent error, then that is regrettable to say the least; in that case, I'm sorry about that. You seem pretty Marian to me ma'am, and I've not seen any indication otherwise thus far.

    I was baptized at sixteen years of age, but by heretics, and became Catholic when I was 21.

      Question with a purpose, not to cause needless offense and in light of the topic, but does that make you a traitor and, if so, whom did you betray?

    Regardless, I think all are blessed by your possible "treason"; either way, a long belated welcome to the "other" tribe to you ma'am.
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #121 on: November 11, 2017, 04:09:39 AM »
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    • As far as I know, most Jews consider me a traitor.
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #122 on: November 11, 2017, 04:16:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 11, 2017, 04:09:39 AM
    As far as I know, most Jews consider me a traitor.
    The more "observant" they are, the more likely that is. 

    Dranged if you do... :P 

    Just can't win, can you?
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #123 on: November 11, 2017, 05:51:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: klasG4e on November 08, 2017, 10:11:00 AM
    St. Pius X:  "The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people. "

    Theodore Herzl:  "We are not asking for Jerusalem, but for Palestine—for only the secular land."

    St. Pius X:  "We cannot be in favor of it."

    **********************************************************************************************************

    The Tribe: We financed you all the way from Wall Street.  Now we expect your full cooperation in helping us fill up Palestine with you know who.

    Hitler:  Yes, yes, but of course.  I am at your service.
    It looks like Pope Pius X engaging in dialog with a Jew.
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #124 on: November 11, 2017, 05:53:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on November 11, 2017, 05:51:15 AM
    It looks like Pope Pius X engaging in dialog with a Jew.
    If "non-possimus" counts as "dialog" for you, then that figures.
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #125 on: November 11, 2017, 10:16:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on November 11, 2017, 05:53:59 AM
    If "non-possimus" counts as "dialog" for you, then that figures.
    That is part of dialog sometimes. We explain the Catholic Faith to the unbeliever.
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #126 on: November 12, 2017, 12:28:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on November 11, 2017, 10:16:00 PM
    That is part of dialog sometimes. We explain the Catholic Faith to the unbeliever.
    If all talking is dialog, then why call it dialog? 

    No p, when a Pope speaks like that, it isn't a coffee klatch, it's the Supreme Authority, knowing full well what he is, and how grave that is, telling a lesser and an enemy how it is. 

    You may as well call it "'dialog" when a felon meets a judge.
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #127 on: November 12, 2017, 01:37:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on November 12, 2017, 12:28:21 AM
    If all talking is dialog, then why call it dialog?

    No p, when a Pope speaks like that, it isn't a coffee klatch, it's the Supreme Authority, knowing full well what he is, and how grave that is, telling a lesser and an enemy how it is.

    You may as well call it "'dialog" when a felon meets a judge.
    In the case of Pope St. Pius X, the hope is that the 'felon' would convert.  
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #128 on: November 12, 2017, 01:41:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on November 12, 2017, 01:37:46 AM
    In the case of Pope St. Pius X, the hope is that the 'felon' would convert.  
    In the case of the judge...

    Regardless, so what? 

    "No sir, I wasn't trying to dishonor your daughter; we were just 'dialogging'. I talk better with my pants off."

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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #129 on: November 12, 2017, 06:11:25 AM »
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    • Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?

    How about a Catholic traitor?

    I really don't see how his attempted assassination and coup of the NS govt would've benefited the Church in anyway.

    Yet his actions would help accelerate the eventual  demise of the one nation that was fighting against Catholicism's enemies in Europe and abroad. Maybe he didn't see it that way, but , Hitler and Germany were indeed crushed within a year of his execution. But, was Germany better off afterwards? Was Europe any better when the anti-Christ commies took over half of it and the secualr humanists/masons took over the other half? Was the world really any better when the last real anti-Jєωιѕн/Bolshevek, anti/Masonic, antibankster/usury, etc resistance was crushed once and for all?

    Tell us, has Germany or the world for that matter been a better place since the Jew-controlled Allies won that war?

    Yea, take a good look around and tell me if von Stauffenberg could look himself in the mirror right now and tell himself he was ridding the wolrd of a "tyrant" and doing the right thing for his  Germany and his Church.

    Germany with Hitler;



    Germany since Hitler;

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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #130 on: November 12, 2017, 06:17:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 11, 2017, 04:09:39 AM
    As far as I know, most Jews consider me a traitor.
    Why? I don't see anything you post to be consider "traitorous" to the Jєωιѕн agenda.
    Other than the fact you converted to Catholicism.
    And much of that has been highly judaized these days.
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #131 on: November 12, 2017, 06:22:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on November 11, 2017, 05:51:15 AM
    It looks like Pope Pius X engaging in dialog with a Jew.
    The vicar of Christ has no business "dialoging" with the devil.
    What did the conversation with Jesus and Satan consist of  other than telling him to get lost?
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #132 on: November 12, 2017, 06:23:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: alaric on November 12, 2017, 06:17:28 AM
    Why? I don't see anything you post to be consider "traitorous" to the Jєωιѕн agenda.
    Other than the fact you converted to Catholicism.

    That would be more than enough.

    And much of that has been highly judaized these days.

    Thus far as I've seen, you think more Jew than she does, such as in holding that Catholicism can be Judaised. If you're going to pick on someone, why not try a not woman? Better yet, why don't you safety that thing and try it again with a little less assyness?
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #133 on: November 12, 2017, 07:00:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: alaric on November 12, 2017, 06:17:28 AM
    Why? I don't see anything you post to be consider "traitorous" to the Jєωιѕн agenda.
    Other than the fact you converted to Catholicism.
    And much of that has been highly judaized these days.
    For many (maybe most) Jews, just converting to Catholicism is enough to make me a traitor in their eyes.  I am also anti-Zionist, express skepticism about the h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative, and acknowledge disproportionate influence by Jews in politics, media, etc.  Any one of those things would be considered traitorous.

    I just want to make clear that I am not complaining about it.  It has been a good thing because right from the beginning it has been obvious to me that I had to choose between Judaism and Christianity.  There are groups around like "Jews for Jesus" and "Association of Hebrew Catholics" that try to tell people they can have both, so I am grateful that I didn't get confused by this and accept their Judaizing.
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    Re: Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ?
    « Reply #134 on: November 12, 2017, 07:04:56 AM »
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    • DZPlease wrote:
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     If you're going to pick on someone, why not try a not woman? 

    Although it was not necessary for you to defend me, I have to say that seeing a man's chivalrous instincts makes me feel warm all over.   

    Thanks for making me feel good.   :)
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