Welp, I guess the Hitler apologists just want to give us a summary of their views and nothing substantial, even though we've asked.  I find it hard to believe though, that he was some bastion of catholicism and morality.

Straw man. I never claimed that.

  Where's the proof?  Franco's name has been dragged through the mud but there's plenty of evidence that he was a staunch catholic, and possibly a saint.  


“Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, died while defending Christianity. It is therefore understandable that words cannot be found to lament over his death, when so many were found to exalt his life. Over his mortal remains stands his victorious moral figure. With the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of Victory.”-Franco

Hitler?  The only thing we can say about him is that he turned on his once-friends of the global elite.  Is this good?  Sure.  But that doesn't mean he was an exemplary catholic leader.  

Again, no one claimed that he was. Many of the Catholic heirarchy weren't either and that's their job.

Was he better than the rest of the leaders at the time (i.e. Roosevelt, Churchill, Mussolini, etc)?  I can buy that.  But just because he changed his tune into a "germany first" chant from a "global govt" symphony doesn't mean he was God's gift to Germany.  It just means there was in-fighting in the different freemasonic factions...much like what is going on now, between Trump and the rest of the world (Trump is "old school" who wants a global govt with countries' sovereignty still intact, which differs from the way that the Bush's/Obama want it, which are weak "country states" and a powerful UN).  It's just a different way to skin the cat.

Unfortunately, Trump is no Hitler.

This brings us back to the main question:  Was Stauffenberg wrong to try to kill Hitler?  Putting aside the morality of killing a tyrant...let's just assume that it's allowed (I'm not sure if it is; it would depend).  If it was allowed, and if you are a Hitler apologist, please show me the evidence that Stauffenberg was an evil man?  My evidence says he was a good catholic with intentions to restore catholicism to Germany.  

What makes you think he intended to "restore" Catholicism? And more importantly, who said Catholicism needed to be restored?

"Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past (few) years."

- Adolf Hitler, quoted in: The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872

You call him a traitor just because he was against Hitler.  I argue that even if Hitler was against the 'global elite' that doesn't mean he was a good, catholic leader.  Maybe he wanted his own version of tyranny, independent of the thumb of the rothchilds?    


Pius XI thought he was the best antidote against the Marxist hordes and put his political weight behind supporting him. What does that say?

Some of you folks here really need to have a better understanding of what Germany was like before the war and why they had to put down so more intelligent discussions can come about with this subject.

It has become apparent that no fruitful or rational discussion is possible on this and other like subjects as those who hold opposing opinions do not speak the same language and see concepts, ideologies, and moral and religious matters with the same divergence of apprehension.

Some of you folks here really need to have a better understanding of what Germany was like before the war and why they "had to be put down" so more intelligent discussions can come about with this subject.

Jєωιѕн influence in the Vatican had been well established by this point and was excercised both during and after the war.

True history is not what we learned in text books nor is it to be found in the History/Discovery programs about it, which are all part of the Jєωιѕн propaganda regime.
This the entertainment field and where else do you fing an overwhelming number of Jews?  In the public school systems, in academia, in universities, in most major publishing houses and printers of textbooks.

Is it no wonder that the population has been so conditioned as it is? Raised to respond to trigger words and phrases in a predicted pattern and with emotion and not reason.

I would like to say I apologize if i came across too strong.  I'll be the first to admit that probably 99% of people on here know more about WW2 than I.  It seems that JPaul, LeDeg and klasG4e are all in agreement that i'm wrong (which is probably accurate) but each of them to a different degree and of a different shade, because each of you has answered my questions with a different perspective (which generally agrees, but specifically, does not in some areas).  I was trying to play devild's advocate, in order to get to the "bottom line".  I'm honestly trying to learn and I know it's a dense topic but a lot of your answers were mysterious and too general and/or defensive, since you assumed I was against your opinion.  That's not your fault; I suppose it's due to the subject matter.  I'm sure your alternate views of history often get criticized, so I can't blame you for being defensive.  Anyway, I appreciate the info you did provide and am seriously considering adding a few of your recommended books to my reading list.

The negative, unsupported, and unchallenged assertions about popes in this thread as well as a generally, if tacitly, dismissive response to Mit is a very odd display of "Catholicity".

To those making such assertions, I ask that you either reassess, or prove your charges, starting with this seeming capacity for mind-reading.

Why is it that the Monday morning QBs and armchair generals seem to grant so many lauds and so much latitude to a Hitler, without granting at least as much to Vicars of Christ? (Presuming that the respective parties hold that they are such.)