ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI
ON THE CHURCH AND THE GERMAN REICH
TO THE VENERABLE BRETHREN
THE ARCHBISHOPS AND BISHOPS OF GERMANY AND OTHER ORDINARIES
IN PEACE AND COMMUNION WITH THE APOSTOLIC SEE.Venerable Brethren, Greetings, and Apostolic Blessing.It is with deep anxiety and growing surprise that We have long been following the painful trials of the Church and the increasing vexations which afflict those who have remained loyal in heart and action in the midst of a people that once received from St. Boniface the bright message and the Gospel of Christ and God's Kingdom.2. And what the representatives of the venerable episcopate, who visited Us in Our sick room, had to tell Us, in truth and duty bound, has not modified Our feelings. To consoling and edifying information on the stand the Faithful are making for their Faith, they considered themselves bound, in spite of efforts to judge with moderation and in spite of their own patriotic love, to add reports of things hard and unpleasant. After hearing their account, We could, in grateful acknowledgment to God, exclaim with the Apostle of love: "I have no greater grace than this, to hear that my children walk in truth" (John iii. 4). But the frankness indifferent in Our Apostolic charge and the determination to place before the Christian world the truth in all its reality, prompt Us to add: "Our pastoral heart knows no deeper pain, no disappointment more bitter, than to learn that many are straying from the path of truth."3. When, in 1933, We consented, Venerable Brethren, to open negotiations for a concordat, which the Reich Government proposed on the basis of a scheme of several years' standing; and when, to your unanimous satisfaction, We concluded the negotiations by a solemn treaty, We were prompted by the desire, as it behooved Us, to secure for Germany the freedom of the Church's beneficent mission and the salvation of the souls in her care, as well as by the sincere wish to render the German people a service essential for its peaceful development and prosperity. Hence, despite many and grave misgivings, We then decided not to withhold Our consent for We wished to spare the Faithful of Germany, as far as it was humanly possible, the trials and difficulties they would have had to face, given the circuмstances, had the negotiations fallen through. It was by acts that We wished to make it plain, Christ's interests being Our sole object, that the pacific and maternal hand of the Church would be extended to anyone who did not actually refuse it.4. If, then, the tree of peace, which we planted on German soil with the purest intention, has not brought forth the fruit, which in the interest of your people, We had fondly hoped, no one in the world who has eyes to see and ears to hear will be able to lay the blame on the Church and on her Head. The experiences of these last years have fixed responsibilities and laid bare intrigues, which from the outset only aimed at a war of extermination. In the furrows, where We tried to sow the seed of a sincere peace, other men - the "enemy" of Holy Scripture - oversowed the cockle of distrust, unrest, hatred, defamation, of a determined hostility overt or veiled, fed from many sources and wielding many tools, against Christ and His Church. They, and they alone with their accomplices, silent or vociferous, are today responsible, should the storm of religious war, instead of the rainbow of peace, blacken the German skies.5. We have never ceased, Venerable Brethren, to represent to the responsible rulers of your country's destiny, the consequences which would inevitably follow the protection and even the favor, extended to such a policy. We have done everything in Our power to defend the sacred pledge of the given word of honor against theories and practices, which it officially endorsed, would wreck every faith in treaties and make every signature worthless. Should the day ever come to place before the world the account of Our efforts, every honest mind will see on which side are to be found the promoters of peace, and on which side its disturbers. Whoever had left in his soul an atom of love for truth, and in his heart a shadow of a sense of justice, must admit that, in the course of these anxious and trying years following upon the conclusion of the concordat, every one of Our words, every one of Our acts, has been inspired by the binding law of treaties. At the same time, anyone must acknowledge, not without surprise and reprobation, how the other contracting party emasculated the terms of the treaty, distorted their meaning, and eventually considered its more or less official violation as a normal policy. The moderation We showed in spite of all this was not inspired by motives of worldly interest, still less by unwarranted weakness, but merely by Our anxiety not to draw out the wheat with the cockle; not to pronounce open judgment, before the public was ready to see its force; not to impeach other people's honesty, before the evidence of events should have torn the mask off the systematic hostility leveled at the Church. Even now that a campaign against the confessional schools, which are guaranteed by the concordat, and the destruction of free election, where Catholics have a right to their children's Catholic education, afford evidence, in a matter so essential to the life of the Church, of the extreme gravity of the situation and the anxiety of every Christian conscience; even now Our responsibility for Christian souls induces Us not to overlook the last possibilities, however slight, of a return to fidelity to treaties, and to any arrangement that may be acceptable to the episcopate. We shall continue without failing, to stand before the rulers of your people as the defender of violated rights, and in obedience to Our Conscience and Our pastoral mission, whether We be successful or not, to oppose the policy which seeks, by open or secret means, to strangle rights guaranteed by a treaty.6. Different, however, Venerable Brethren, is the purpose of this letter. As you affectionately visited Us in Our illness, so also We turn to you, and through you, the German Catholics, who, like all suffering and afflicted children, are nearer to their Father's heart. At a time when your faith, like gold, is being tested in the fire of tribulation and persecution, when your religious freedom is beset on all sides, when the lack of religious teaching and of normal defense is heavily weighing on you, you have every right to words of truth and spiritual comfort from him whose first predecessor heard these words from the Lord: "I have prayed for thee that thy faith fail not: and thou being once converted, confirm thy brethren" (Lukexxii. 32).7. Take care, Venerable Brethren, that above all, faith in God, the first and irreplaceable foundation of all religion, be preserved in Germany pure and unstained. The believer in God is not he who utters the name in his speech, but he for whom this sacred word stands for a true and worthy concept of the Divinity. Whoever identifies, by pantheistic confusion, God and the universe, by either lowering God to the dimensions of the world, or raising the world to the dimensions of God, is not a believer in God. Whoever follows that so-called pre-Christian Germanic conception of substituting a dark and impersonal destiny for the personal God, denies thereby the Wisdom and Providence of God who "Reacheth from end to end mightily, and ordereth all things sweetly" (Wisdom viii. 1). Neither is he a believer in God.8. Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community - however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things - whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds.9. Beware, Venerable Brethren, of that growing abuse, in speech as in writing, of the name of God as though it were a meaningless label, to be affixed to any creation, more or less arbitrary, of human speculation. Use your influence on the Faithful, that they refuse to yield to this aberration. Our God is the Personal God, supernatural, omnipotent, infinitely perfect, one in the Trinity of Persons, tri-personal in the unity of divine essence, the Creator of all existence. Lord, King and ultimate Consummator of the history of the world, who will not, and cannot, tolerate a rival God by His side.10. This God, this Sovereign Master, has issued commandments whose value is independent of time and space, country and race. As God's sun shines on every human face so His law knows neither privilege nor exception. Rulers and subjects, crowned and uncrowned, rich and poor are equally subject to His word. From the fullness of the Creators' right there naturally arises the fullness of His right to be obeyed by individuals and communities, whoever they are. This obedience permeates all branches of activity in which moral values claim harmony with the law of God, and pervades all integration of the ever-changing laws of man into the immutable laws of God.11. None but superficial minds could stumble into concepts of a national God, of a national religion; or attempt to lock within the frontiers of a single people, within the narrow limits of a single race, God, the Creator of the universe, King and Legislator of all nations before whose immensity they are "as a drop of a bucket" (Isaiah xI, 15).12. The Bishops of the Church of Christ, "ordained in the things that appertain to God (Heb. v, 1) must watch that pernicious errors of this sort, and consequent practices more pernicious still, shall not gain a footing among their flock. It is part of their sacred obligations to do whatever is in their power to enforce respect for, and obedience to, the commandments of God, as these are the necessary foundation of all private life and public morality; to see that the rights of His Divine Majesty, His name and His word be not profaned; to put a stop to the blasphemies, which, in words and pictures, are multiplying like the sands of the desert; to encounter the obstinacy and provocations of those who deny, despise and hate God, by the never-failing reparatory prayers of the Faithful, hourly rising like incense to the All-Highest and staying His vengeance.13. We thank you, Venerable Brethren, your priests and Faithful, who have persisted in their Christian duty and in the defense of God's rights in the teeth of an aggressive paganism. Our gratitude, warmer still and admiring, goes out to those who, in fulfillment of their duty, have been deemed worthy of sacrifice and suffering for the love of God.14. No faith in God can for long survive pure and unalloyed without the support of faith in Christ. "No one knoweth who the Son is, but the Father: and who the Father is, but the Son and to whom the Son will reveal Him" (Luke x. 22). "Now this is eternal life: That they may know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent" (John xvii. 3). Nobody, therefore, can say: "I believe in God, and that is enough religion for me," for the Savior's words brook no evasion: "Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that confesseth the Son hath the Father also" (1John ii. 23).15. In Jesus Christ, Son of God made Man, there shone the plentitude of divine revelation. "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners, spoke in times past to the fathers by the prophets last of all, in these days hath spoken to us by His Son" (Heb. i. 1). The sacred books of the Old Testament are exclusively the word of God, and constitute a substantial part of his revelation; they are penetrated by a subdued light, harmonizing with the slow development of revelation, the dawn of the bright day of the redemption. As should be expected in historical and didactic books, they reflect in many particulars the imperfection, the weakness and sinfulness of man. But side by side with innumerable touches of greatness and nobleness, they also record the story of the chosen people, bearers of the Revelation and the Promise, repeatedly straying from God and turning to the world. Eyes not blinded by prejudice or passion will see in this prevarication, as reported by the Biblical history, the luminous splendor of the divine light revealing the saving plan which finally triumphs over every fault and sin. It is precisely in the twilight of this background that one perceives the striking perspective of the divine tutorship of salvation, as it warms, admonishes, strikes, raises and beautifies its elect. Nothing but ignorance and pride could blind one to the treasures hoarded in the Old Testament.16. Whoever wishes to see banished from church and school the Biblical history and the wise doctrines of the Old Testament, blasphemes the name of God, blasphemes the Almighty's plan of salvation, and makes limited and narrow human thought the judge of God's designs over the history of the world: he denies his faith in the true Christ, such as He appeared in the flesh, the Christ who took His human nature from a people that was to crucify Him; and he understands nothing of that universal tragedy of the Son of God who to His torturer's sacrilege opposed the divine and priestly sacrifice of His redeeming death, and made the new alliance the goal of the old alliance, its realization and its crown.17. The peak of the revelation as reached in the Gospel of Christ is final and permanent. It knows no retouches by human hand; it admits no substitutes or arbitrary alternatives such as certain leaders pretend to draw from the so-called myth of race and blood. Since Christ, the Lord's Anointed, finished the task of Redemption, and by breaking up the reign of sin deserved for us the grace of being the children God, since that day no other name under heaven has been given to men, whereby we must be saved (Acts iv. 12). No man, were every science, power and worldly strength incarnated in him, can lay any other foundation but that which is laid: which is Christ Jesus (1 Cor. iii 11). Should any man dare, in sacrilegious disregard of the essential differences between God and His creature, between the God-man and the children of man, to place a mortal, were he the greatest of all times, by the side of, or over, or against, Christ, he would deserve to be called prophet of nothingness, to whom the terrifying words of Scripture would be applicable: "He that dwelleth in heaven shall laugh at them" (Psalms ii. 3).18. Faith in Christ cannot maintain itself pure and unalloyed without the support of faith in the Church, "the pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Tim. iii. 15); for Christ Himself, God eternally blessed, raised this pillar of the Faith. His command to hear the Church (Matt. xviii. 15), to welcome in the words and commands of the Church His own words and His own commands (Luke x. 16), is addressed to all men, of all times and of all countries. The Church founded by the Redeemer is one, the same for all races and all nations. Beneath her dome, as beneath the vault of heaven, there is but one country for all nations and tongues; there is room for the development of every quality, advantage, task and vocation which God the Creator and Savior has allotted to individuals as well as to ethnical communities. The Church's maternal heart is big enough to see in the God-appointed development of individual characteristics and gifts, more than a mere danger of divergency. She rejoices at the spiritual superiorities among individuals and nations. In their successes she sees with maternal joy and pride fruits of education and progress, which she can only bless and encourage, whenever she can conscientiously do so. But she also knows that to this freedom limits have been set by the majesty of the divine command, which founded that Church one and indivisible. Whoever tampers with that unity and that indivisibility wrenches from the Spouse of Christ one of the diadems with which God Himself crowned her; he subjects a divine structure, which stands on eternal foundations, to criticism and transformation by architects whom the Father of Heaven never authorized to interfere.19. The Church, whose work lies among men and operates through men, may see her divine mission obscured by human, too human, combination, persistently growing and developing like the cockle among the wheat of the Kingdom of God. Those who know the Savior's words on scandal and the giver of scandals, know, too, the judgment which the Church and all her sons must pronounce on what was and what is sin. But if, besides these reprehensible discrepancies be between faith and life, acts and words, exterior conduct and interior feelings, however numerous they be, anyone overlooks the overwhelming sum of authentic virtues, of spirit of sacrifice, fraternal love, heroic efforts of sanctity, he gives evidence of deplorable blindness and injustice. If later he forgets to apply the standard of severity, by which he measures the Church he hates, to other organizations in which he happens to be interested, then his appeal to an offended sense of purity identifies him with those who, for seeing the mote in their brother's eye, according to the Savior's incisive words, cannot see the beam in their own. But however suspicious the intention of those who make it their task, nay their vile profession, to scrutinize what is human in the Church, and although the priestly powers conferred by God are independent of the priest's human value, it yet remains true that at no moment of history, no individual, in no organization can dispense himself from the duty of loyally examining his conscience, of mercilessly purifying himself, and energetically renewing himself in spirit and in action. In Our Encyclical on the priesthood We have urged attention to the sacred duty of all those who belong to the Church, chiefly the members of the priestly and religious profession and of the lay apostolate, to square their faith and their conduct with the claims of the law of God and of the Church. And today we again repeat with all the insistency We can command: it is not enough to be a member of the Church of Christ, one needs to be a living member, in spirit and in truth, i.e., living in the state of grace and in the presence of God, either in innocence or in sincere repentance. If the Apostle of the nations, the vase of election, chastised his body and brought it into subjection: lest perhaps, when he had preached to others, he himself should become a castaway (1 Cor. ix. 27), could anybody responsible for the extension of the Kingdom of God claim any other method but personal sanctification? Only thus can we show to the present generation, and to the critics of the Church that "the salt of the earth," the leaven of Christianity has not decayed, but is ready to give the men of today - prisoners of doubt and error, victims of indifference, tired of their Faith and straying from God - the spiritual renewal they so much need. A Christianity which keeps a grip on itself, refuses every compromise with the world, takes the commands of God and the Church seriously, preserves its love of God and of men in all its freshness, such a Christianity can be, and will be, a model and a guide to a world which is sick to death and clamors for directions, unless it be condemned to a catastrophe that would baffle the imagination.20. Every true and lasting reform has ultimately sprung from the sanctity of men who were driven by the love of God and of men. Generous, ready to stand to attention to any call from God, yet confident in themselves because confident in their vocation, they grew to the size of beacons and reformers. On the other hand, any reformatory zeal, which instead of springing from personal purity, flashes out of passion, has produced unrest instead of light, destruction instead of construction, and more than once set up evils worse than those it was out to remedy. No doubt "the Spirit breatheth where he will" (John iii. 8): "of stones He is able to raise men to prepare the way to his designs" (Matt. iii. 9). He chooses the instruments of His will according to His own plans, not those of men. But the Founder of the Church, who breathed her into existence at Pentecost, cannot disown the foundations as He laid them. Whoever is moved by the spirit of God, spontaneously adopts both outwardly and inwardly, the true attitude toward the Church, this sacred fruit from the tree of the cross, this gift from the Spirit of God, bestowed on Pentecost day to an erratic world.21. In your country, Venerable Brethren, voices are swelling into a chorus urging people to leave the Church, and among the leaders there is more than one whose official position is intended to create the impression that this infidelity to Christ the King constitutes a signal and meritorious act of loyalty to the modern State. Secret and open measures of intimidation, the threat of economic and civic disabilities, bear on the loyalty of certain classes of Catholic functionaries, a pressure which violates every human right and dignity. Our wholehearted paternal sympathy goes out to those who must pay so dearly for their loyalty to Christ and the Church; but directly the highest interests are at stake, with the alternative of spiritual loss, there is but one alternative left, that of heroism. If the oppressor offers one the Judas bargain of apostasy he can only, at the cost of every worldly sacrifice, answer with Our Lord: "Begone, Satan! For it is written: The Lord thy God shalt thou adore, and Him only shalt thou serve" (Matt. iv. 10). And turning to the Church, he shall say: "Thou, my mother since my infancy, the solace of my life and advocate at my death, may my tongue cleave to my palate if, yielding to worldly promises or threats, I betray the vows of my baptism." As to those who imagine that they can reconcile exterior infidelity to one and the same Church, let them hear Our Lord's warning: - "He that shall deny me before men shall be denied before the angels of God" (Luke xii. 9).22. Faith in the Church cannot stand pure and true without the support of faith in the primacy of the Bishop of Rome. The same moment when Peter, in the presence of all the Apostles and disciples, confesses his faith in Christ, Son of the Living God, the answer he received in reward for his faith and his confession was the word that built the Church, the only Church of Christ, on the rock of Peter (Matt. xvi. 18). Thus was sealed the connection between the faith in Christ, the Church and the Primacy. True and lawful authority is invariably a bond of unity, a source of strength, a guarantee against division and ruin, a pledge for the future: and this is verified in the deepest and sublimest sense, when that authority, as in the case of the Church, and the Church alone, is sealed by the promise and the guidance of the Holy Ghost and His irresistible support. Should men, who are not even united by faith in Christ, come and offer you the seduction of a national German Church, be convinced that it is nothing but a denial of the one Church of Christ and the evident betrayal of that universal evangelical mission, for which a world Church alone is qualified and competent. The live history of other national churches with their paralysis, their domestication and subjection to worldly powers, is sufficient evidence of the sterility to which is condemned every branch that is severed from the trunk of the living Church. Whoever counters these erroneous developments with an uncompromising No from the very outset, not only serves the purity of his faith in Christ, but also the welfare and the vitality of his own people.23. You will need to watch carefully, Venerable Brethren, that religious fundamental concepts be not emptied of their content and distorted to profane use. "Revelation" in its Christian sense, means the word of God addressed to man. The use of this word for the "suggestions" of race and blood, for the irradiations of a people's history, is mere equivocation. False coins of this sort do not deserve Christian currency. "Faith" consists in holding as true what God has revealed and proposes through His Church to man's acceptance. It is "the evidence of things that appear not" (Heb. ii. 1). The joyful and proud confidence in the future of one's people, instinct in every heart, is quite a different thing from faith in a religious sense. To substitute the one for the other, and demand on the strength of this, to be numbered among the faithful followers of Christ, is a senseless play on words, if it does not conceal a confusion of concepts, or worse.24. "Immortality" in a Christian sense means the survival of man after his terrestrial death, for the purpose of eternal reward or punishment. Whoever only means by the term, the collective survival here on earth of his people for an indefinite length of time, distorts one of the fundamental notions of the Christian Faith and tampers with the very foundations of the religious concept of the universe, which requires a moral order.25. "Original sin" is the hereditary but impersonal fault of Adam's descendants, who have sinned in him (Rom. v. 12). It is the loss of grace, and therefore of eternal life, together with a propensity to evil, which everybody must, with the assistance of grace, penance, resistance and moral effort, repress and conquer. The passion and death of the Son of God has redeemed the world from the hereditary curse of sin and death. Faith in these truths, which in your country are today the butt of the cheap derision of Christ's enemies, belongs to the inalienable treasury of Christian revelation.26. The cross of Christ, though it has become to many a stumbling block and foolishness (1 Cor. i. 23) remains for the believer the holy sign of his redemption, the emblem of moral strength and greatness. We live in its shadow and die in its embrace. It will stand on our grave as a pledge of our faith and our hope in the eternal light.27. Humility in the spirit of the Gospel and prayer for the assistance of grace are perfectly compatible with self-confidence and heroism. The Church of Christ, which throughout the ages and to the present day numbers more confessors and voluntary martyrs than any other moral collectivity, needs lessons from no one in heroism of feeling and action. The odious pride of reformers only covers itself with ridicule when it rails at Christian humility as though it were but a cowardly pose of self-degradation.28. "Grace," in a wide sense, may stand for any of the Creator's gifts to His creature; but in its Christian designation, it means all the supernatural tokens of God's love; God's intervention which raises man to that intimate communion of life with Himself, called by the Gospel "adoption of the children of God." "Behold what manner of charity the Father hath bestowed on us, that we should be called and should be the sons of God" (1 John iii. 1). To discard this gratuitous and free elevation in the name of a so-called German type amounts to repudiating openly a fundamental truth of Christianity. It would be an abuse of our religious vocabulary to place on the same level supernatural grace and natural gifts. Pastors and guardians of the people of God will do well to resist this plunder of sacred things and this confusion of ideas.29. It is on faith in God, preserved pure and stainless, that man's morality is based. All efforts to remove from under morality and the moral order the granite foundation of faith and to substitute for it the shifting sands of human regulations, sooner or later lead these individuals or societies to moral degradation. The fool who has said in his heart "there is no God" goes straight to moral corruption (Psalms xiii. 1), and the number of these fools who today are out to sever morality from religion, is legion. They either do not see or refuse to see that the banishment of confessional Christianity, i.e., the clear and precise notion of Christianity, from teaching and education, from the organization of social and political life, spells spiritual spoliation and degradation. No coercive power of the State, no purely human ideal, however noble and lofty it be, will ever be able to make shift of the supreme and decisive impulses generated by faith in God and Christ. If the man, who is called to the hard sacrifice of his own ego to the common good, loses the support of the eternal and the divine, that comforting and consoling faith in a God who rewards all good and punishes all evil, then the result of the majority will be, not the acceptance, but the refusal of their duty. The conscientious observation of the ten commandments of God and the precepts of the Church (which are nothing but practical specifications of rules of the Gospels) is for every one an unrivaled school of personal discipline, moral education and formation of character, a school that is exacting, but not to excess. A merciful God, who as Legislator, says - Thou must! - also gives by His grace the power to will and to do. To let forces of moral formation of such efficacy lie fallow, or to exclude them positively from public education, would spell religious under-feeding of a nation. To hand over the moral law to man's subjective opinion, which changes with the times, instead of anchoring it in the holy will of the eternal God and His commandments, is to open wide every door to the forces of destruction. The resulting dereliction of the eternal principles of an objective morality, which educates conscience and ennobles every department and organization of life, is a sin against the destiny of a nation, a sin whose bitter fruit will poison future generations.30. Such is the rush of present-day life that it severs from the divine foundation of Revelation, not only morality, but also the theoretical and practical rights. We are especially referring to what is called the natural law, written by the Creator's hand on the tablet of the heart (Rom. ii. 14) and which reason, not blinded by sin or passion, can easily read. It is in the light of the commands of this natural law, that all positive law, whoever be the lawgiver, can be gauged in its moral content, and hence, in the authority it wields over conscience. Human laws in flagrant contradiction with the natural law are vitiated with a taint which no force, no power can mend. In the light of this principle one must judge the axiom, that "right is common utility," a proposition which may be given a correct significance, it means that what is morally indefensible, can never contribute to the good of the people. But ancient paganism acknowledged that the axiom, to be entirely true, must be reversed and be made to say: "Nothing can be useful, if it is not at the same time morally good" (Cicero, De Off. ii. 30). Emancipated from this oral rule, the principle would in international law carry a perpetual state of war between nations; for it ignores in national life, by confusion of right and utility, the basic fact that man as a person possesses rights he holds from God, and which any collectivity must protect against denial, suppression or neglect. To overlook this truth is to forget that the real common good ultimately takes its measure from man's nature, which balances personal rights and social obligations, and from the purpose of society, established for the benefit of human nature. Society, was intended by the Creator for the full development of individual possibilities, and for the social benefits, which by a give and take process, every one can claim for his own sake and that of others. Higher and more general values, which collectivity alone can provide, also derive from the Creator for the good of man, and for the full development, natural and supernatural, and the realization of his perfection. To neglect this order is to shake the pillars on which society rests, and to compromise social tranquillity, security and existence.31. The believer has an absolute right to profess his Faith and live according to its dictates. Laws which impede this profession and practice of Faith are against natural law.
Parents who are earnest and conscious of their educative duties, have a primary right to the education of the children God has given them in the spirit of their Faith, and according to its prescriptions. Laws and measures which in school questions fail to respect this freedom of the parents go against natural law, and are immoral. The Church, whose mission it is to preserve and explain the natural law, as it is divine in its origin, cannot but declare that the recent enrollment into schools organized without a semblance of freedom, is the result of unjust pressure, and is a violation of every common right.32. As the Vicar of Him who said to the young man of the Gospel: "If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matt. xix. 17), We address a few paternal words to the young.33. Thousands of voices ring into your ears a Gospel which has not been revealed by the Father of Heaven. Thousands of pens are wielded in the service of a Christianity, which is not of Christ. Press and wireless daily force on you productions hostile to the Faith and to the Church, impudently aggressive against whatever you should hold venerable and sacred. Many of you, clinging to your Faith and to your Church, as a result of your affiliation with religious associations guaranteed by the concordat, have often to face the tragic trial of seeing your loyalty to your country misunderstood, suspected, or even denied, and of being hurt in your professional and social life. We are well aware that there is many a humble soldier of Christ in your ranks, who with torn feelings, but a determined heart, accepts his fate, finding his one consolation in the thought of suffering insults for the name of Jesus (Acts v. 41). Today, as We see you threatened with new dangers and new molestations, We say to you: If any one should preach to you a Gospel other than the one you received on the knees of a pious mother, from the lips of a believing father, or through teaching faithful to God and His Church, "let him be anathema" (Gal. i. 9). If the State organizes a national youth, and makes this organization obligatory to all, then, without prejudice to rights of religious associations, it is the absolute right of youths as well as of parents to see to it that this organization is purged of all manifestations hostile to the Church and Christianity. These manifestations are even today placing Christian parents in a painful alternative, as they cannot give to the State what they owe to God alone.34. No one would think of preventing young Germans establishing a true ethnical community in a noble love of freedom and loyalty to their country. What We object to is the voluntary and systematic antagonism raised between national education and religious duty. That is why we tell the young: Sing your hymns to freedom, but do not forget the freedom of the children of God. Do not drag the nobility of that freedom in the mud of sin and sensuality. He who sings hymns of loyalty to this terrestrial country should not, for that reason, become unfaithful to God and His Church, or a deserter and traitor to His heavenly country. You are often told about heroic greatness, in lying opposition to evangelical humility and patience. Why conceal the fact that there are heroisms in moral life? That the preservation of baptismal innocence is an act of heroism which deserves credit? You are often told about the human deficiencies which mar the history of the Church: why ignore the exploits which fill her history, the saints she begot, the blessing that came upon Western civilization from the union between that Church and your people? You are told about sports. Indulged in with moderation and within limits, physical education is a boon for youth. But so much time is now devoted to sporting activities, that the harmonious development of body and mind is disregarded, that duties to one's family, and the observation of the Lord's Day are neglected. With an indifference bordering on contempt the day of the Lord is divested of its sacred character, against the best of German traditions. But We expect the Catholic youth, in the more favorable organizations of the State, to uphold its right to a Christian sanctification of the Sunday, not to exercise the body at the expense of the immortal soul, not to be overcome by evil, but to aim at the triumph of good over evil (Rom. xii. 21) as its highest achievement will be the gaining of the crown in the stadium of eternal life (1 Cor. ix. 24).35. We address a special word of congratulation, encouragement and exhortation to the priests of Germany, who, in difficult times and delicate situations, have, under the direction of their Bishops, to guide the flocks of Christ along the straight road, by word and example, by their daily devotion and apostolic patience. Beloved sons, who participate with Us in the sacred mysteries, never tire of exercising, after the Sovereign and eternal Priest, Jesus Christ, the charity and solicitude of the Good Samaritan. Let your daily conduct remain stainless before God and the incessant pursuit of your perfection and sanctification, in merciful charity towards all those who are confided to your care, especially those who are more exposed, who are weak and stumbling. Be the guides of the faithful, the support of those who fail, the doctors of the doubting, the consolers of the afflicted, the disinterested counselors and assistants of all. The trials and sufferings which your people have undergone in post-War days have not passed over its soul without leaving painful marks. They have left bitterness and anxiety which are slow to cure, except by charity. This charity is the apostle's indispensable weapon, in a world torn by hatred. It will make you forget, or at least forgive, many an undeserved insult now more frequent than ever.36. This charity, intelligent and sympathetic towards those even who offend you, does by no means imply a renunciation of the right of proclaiming, vindicating and defending the truth and its implications. The priest's first loving gift to his neighbors is to serve truth and refute error in any of its forms. Failure on this score would be not only a betrayal of God and your vocation, but also an offense against the real welfare of your people and country. To all those who have kept their promised fidelity to their Bishops on the day of their ordination; to all those who in the exercise of their priestly function are called upon to suffer persecution; to all those imprisoned in jail and cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs, the Father of the Christian world sends his words of gratitude and commendation.37. Our paternal gratitude also goes out to Religious and nuns, as well as Our sympathy for so many who, as a result of administrative measures hostile to Religious Orders, have been wrenched from the work of their vocation. If some have fallen and shown themselves unworthy of their vocation, their fault, which the Church punishes, in no way detracts from the merit of the immense majority, who, in voluntary abnegation and poverty, have tried to serve their God and their country. By their zeal, their fidelity, their virtue, their active charity, their devotion, the Orders devoted to the care of souls, the service of the sick and education, are greatly contributing to private and public welfare. No doubt better days will come to do them better justice than the present troublous times have done. We trust that the heads of religious communities will profit by their trials and difficulties tO renew their zeal, their spirit of prayer, the austerity of their lives and their perfect discipline, in order to draw down God's blessing upon their difficult work.38. We visualize the immense multitudes of Our faithful children, Our sons and daughters, for whom the sufferings of the Church in Germany and their own have left intact their devotion to the cause of God, their tender love for the Father of Christendom, their obedience to their pastors, their joyous resolution to remain ever faithful, happen what may, to the sacred inheritance of their ancestors. To all of them We send Our paternal greetings. And first to the members of those religious associations which, bravely and at the cost of untold sacrifices, have remained faithful to Christ, and have stood by the rights which a solemn treaty had guaranteed to the Church and to themselves according to the rules of loyalty and good faith.39. We address Our special greetings to the Catholic parents. Their rights and duties as educators, conferred on them by God, are at present the stake of a campaign pregnant with consequences. The Church cannot wait to deplore the devastation of its altars, the destruction of its temples, if an education, hostile to Christ, is to profane the temple of the child's soul consecrated by baptism, and extinguish the eternal light of the faith in Christ for the sake of counterfeit light alien to the Cross. Then the violation of temples is nigh, and it will be every one's duty to sever his responsibility from the opposite camp, and free his conscience from guilty cooperation with such corruption. The more the enemies attempt to disguise their designs, the more a distrustful vigilance will be needed, in the light of bitter experience. Religious lessons maintained for the sake of appearances, controlled by unauthorized men, within the frame of an educational system which systematically works against religion, do not justify a vote in favor of non-confessional schools. We know, dear Catholic parents, that your vote was not free, for a free and secret vote would have meant the triumph of the Catholic schools. Therefore, we shall never cease frankly to represent to the responsible authorities the iniquity of the pressure brought to bear on you and the duty of respecting the freedom of education. Yet do not forget this: none can free you from the responsibility God has placed on you over your children. None of your oppressors, who pretend to relieve you of your duties can answer for you to the eternal Judge, when he will ask: "Where are those I confided to you?" May every one of you be able to answer: "Of them whom thou hast given me, I have not lost any one" (John xviii. 9).40. Venerable Brethren, We are convinced that the words which in this solemn moment We address to you, and to the Catholics of the German Empire, will find in the hearts and in the acts of Our Faithful, the echo responding to the solicitude of the common Father. If there is one thing We implore the Lord to grant, it is this, that Our words may reach the ears and the hearts of those who have begun to yield to the threats and enticements of the enemies of Christ and His Church.41. We have weighed every word of this letter in the balance of truth and love. We wished neither to be an accomplice to equivocation by an untimely silence, nor by excessive severity to harden the hearts of those who live under Our pastoral responsibility; for Our pastoral love pursues them none the less for all their infidelity. Should those who are trying to adapt their mentality to their new surroundings, have for the paternal home they have left and for the Father Himself, nothing but words of distrust, in gratitude or insult, should they even forget whatever they forsook, the day will come when their anguish will fall on the children they have lost, when nostalgia will bring them back to "God who was the joy of their youth," to the Church whose paternal hand has directed them on the road that leads to the Father of Heaven.42. Like other periods of the history of the Church, the present has ushered in a new ascension of interior purification, on the sole condition that the faithful show themselves proud enough in the confession of their faith in Christ, generous enough in suffering to face the oppressors of the Church with the strength of their faith and charity. May the holy time of Lent and Easter, which preaches interior renovation and penance, turn Christian eyes towards the Cross and the risen Christ; be for all of you the joyful occasion that will fill your souls with heroism, patience and victory. Then We are sure, the enemies of the Church, who think that their time has come, will see that their joy was premature, and that they may close the grave they had dug. The day will come when the Te Deum of liberation will succeed to the premature hymns of the enemies of Christ: Te Deum of triumph and joy and gratitude, as the German people return to religion, bend the knee before Christ, and arming themselves against the enemies of God, again resume the task God has laid upon them.43. He who searches the hearts and reins (Psalm vii. 10) is Our witness that We have no greater desire than to see in Germany the restoration of a true peace between Church and State. But if, without any fault of Ours, this peace is not to come, then the Church of God will defend her rights and her freedom in the name of the Almighty whose arm has not shortened. Trusting in Him, "We cease not to pray and to beg" (Col. i. 9) for you, children of the Church, that the days of tribulation may end and that you may be found faithful in the day of judgment; for the persecutors and oppressors, that the Father of light and mercy may enlighten them as He enlightened Saul on the road of Damascus. With this prayer in Our heart and on Our lips We grant to you, as a pledge of Divine help, as a support in your difficult resolutions, as a comfort in the struggle, as a consolation in all trials, to You, Bishops and Pastors of the Faithful, priests, Religious, lay apostles of Catholic Action, to all your diocesans, and specially to the sick and the prisoners, in paternal love, Our Apostolic Benediction.Given at the Vatican on Passion Sunday, March 14, 1937.PIUS XI
http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html (http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html)Perhaps just some pertinent excerpts and a link next time ma'am?MIT BRENNENDER SORGE
Perhaps just some pertinent excerpts and a link next time ma'am?http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html (http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html)
When Hitler took power in 1933 he supported the re-established military chaplaincy for three reasons: first, because religion to him was a critical element in cultivating loyalty and motivating soldiers; second, the chaplaincy was a means of control over the troops, and third, it was a vehicle for imputing nationalistic loyalties for the sake of enhancing Germany’s historic civilization. The Vatican was also intensely interested in the future of the Catholic military chaplaincy. The Reich Concordat between the Holy See and the new nαzι government that was signed in July 1933 contained explicit directions for the future governance of this chaplaincy. It made this service directly responsible to the pope and gave the chaplains independence from any guidance or authority from the local German bishops. It also included a secret clause for the possible reintroduction of military conscription whereby Catholic clergy would be directed to the pastoral care of the troops or else drafted into the army’s medical service.
This agreement cleared the way for the appointment of the Catholic field bishop, Franz Justus Rarkowski who, although not a nαzι Party member, was known as an ardent supporter of the chief planks of nαzι ideology—particularly the restoration of Germany’s greatness, the strident opposition to Bolshevism, and the drive to enhance German racial purity that included its antisemitic component. Rarkowski’s appointment was, however, opposed by several of the diocesan German bishops who felt he lacked the necessary academic qualifications for episcopal rank. He was never invited to the regular meetings of the German Catholic hierarchy and in fact proved to be an ineffectual leader, unable to take a strong stand in defense of his agency. He was rated to be weak and easily controlled, and suffered from bouts of ill health that led to his retirement in early 1945. Georg Werthmann, his deputy or field vicar-general, was a much stauncher character. Fortunately, he survived the 1945 disaster and took refuge in a Bavarian monastery. During his internment there, he drafted a large series of notes about the chaplaincy, which were to be used for a future book. These extensive notes have survived and have provided Rossi with a “treasure trove” that she has lucidly and skillfully exploited.
These sources give us a clear indication of the numbers involved, which were astonishingly miniscule. The total number of Catholic priests in the chaplaincy was only 545, including those who were taken prisoner or were dismissed. The highest number in the field at any one time was only 390 in summer 1941. Given the fact that millions of young Germans, many of them Catholics, were conscripted, this disparity was striking and was made only worse at the end of 1942...
Persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_in_Germany) followed the nαzι takeover.[334] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/nαzι_Germany#cite_note-FOOTNOTEKershaw2008332-342) Hitler moved quickly to eliminate political Catholicism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_Catholicism), rounding up functionaries of the Catholic-aligned Bavarian People's Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_People%27s_Party) and Catholic Centre Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Centre_Party), which along with all other non-nαzι political parties ceased to exist by July.[335] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/nαzι_Germany#cite_note-FOOTNOTEKershaw2008290-343) The Reichskonkordat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat) (Reich Concordat) treaty with the Vatican was signed in 1933, amid continuing harassment of the church in Germany.[273] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/nαzι_Germany#cite_note-FOOTNOTEKershaw2008295-280) The treaty required the regime to honour the independence of Catholic institutions and prohibited clergy from involvement in politics.[336] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/nαzι_Germany#cite_note-FOOTNOTEEvans2005234.E2.80.93235-344) Hitler routinely disregarded the Concordat, closing all Catholic institutions whose functions were not strictly religious.[337] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/nαzι_Germany#cite_note-FOOTNOTEGill199457-345)Clergy, nuns and lay leaders were targeted, with thousands of arrests over the ensuing years, often on trumped-up charges of currency smuggling or immorality.[338] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/nαzι_Germany#cite_note-FOOTNOTEShirer1960234.E2.80.93235-346) Several high-profile Catholic lay leaders were targeted in the 1934 Night of the Long Knives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives) assassinations.[339] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/nαzι_Germany#cite_note-FOOTNOTEKershaw2008315-347)[340] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/nαzι_Germany#cite_note-FOOTNOTELewis200045-348)[341] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/nαzι_Germany#cite_note-FOOTNOTEConway200192-349) Most Catholic youth groups refused to dissolve themselves and Hitler Youth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Youth) leader Baldur von Schirach (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldur_von_Schirach) encouraged members to attack Catholic boys in the streets.[342] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/nαzι_Germany#cite_note-FOOTNOTEEvans2005226.2C_237-350) Propaganda campaigns claimed the church was corrupt, restrictions were placed on public meetings and Catholic publications faced censorship. Catholic schools were required to reduce religious instruction and crucifixes were removed from state buildings.[343] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/nαzι_Germany#cite_note-FOOTNOTEEvans2005239.E2.80.93240-351)Opposition to a regime such as this is understandable and justified. The Catholic resistance in Germany, in some ways, resembles that of the Christiada in Mexico. I'm wondering if those of you who see Colonel von Stauffenberg as a traitor would say the same of the Cristeros. If not, in what way are the situations different?
I think that Gottmituns (and the people who voted that Hitler was a great leader) have been mislead by the thought of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" to an inappropriate sympathy toward the Reich government. In spite of its opposition to some enemies of the Church, it was itself also our enemy.
Pius XI makes it very clear in Mit brenennder Sorge that this regime oppressed Catholics and was our enemy. Here is a similar account from Wikipedia:
Opposition to a regime such as this is understandable and justified. The Catholic resistance in Germany, in some ways, resembles that of the Christiada in Mexico. I'm wondering if those of you who see Colonel von Stauffenberg as a traitor would say the same of the Cristeros. If not, in what way are the situations different?
"Hitler biographer Alan Bullock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Bullock) wrote that though Hitler was raised as a Catholic, and retained some regard for the organisational power of Catholicism, he had utter contempt for its central teachings which he said, if taken to their conclusion, "would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesuits_and_nαzι_Germany#cite_note-Hitler_p218-8) Richard J. Evans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_J._Evans) wrote that Hitler believed that in the long run National Socialism and religion would not be able to co-exist, and stressed repeatedly that nαzιsm was a secular ideology, founded on modern science: "Science, he declared, would easily destroy the last remaining vestiges of superstition." Germany could not tolerate the intervention of foreign influences such as the Pope, and "priests, he said, were 'black bugs', 'abortions in black cassocks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassock).'"[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesuits_and_nαzι_Germany#cite_note-9)" -Wikipedia, from the biography of Hitler
Catholic field bishop, Franz Justus Rarkowski who, although not a nαzι Party member, was known as an ardent supporter of the chief planks of nαzι ideology—particularly the restoration of Germany’s greatness, the strident opposition to Bolshevism, and the drive to enhance German racial purity that included its antisemitic component.A failed and (quite poor) attempt to discredit a Catholic bishop (a Marist one at that) head of the chaplaincy of the German armed forces consecrated by the Apostolic nuncio to Germany (1930-1945) Excellency +Cesare Vincenzo Orsenigo for precisely that role.
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/604247/summary (https://muse.jhu.edu/article/604247/summary)
The poll questions are all caddywhumpus anyway; at the very least they are unclear.I agree. The voting options were limited and not described correctly. He was Austrian. In any case.. The "great" is subjective.
Example: What does "great German leader" mean?
The Antichrist, for example, will be a "great (x) leader".
Then, contingent upon the above, can't someone be a non-traitor and try to kill a "great German leader"?
Great leader? Great German? Great both? Okay, then what does/did it mean to be "German" and so, a great one?
By what terms? Who set them?
These men were never ex-communicated. Nor did Mit Brennender Sorge specifically ex-communicate any Catholic serving in the Reich in any capacity. (We all know about ex-communications latae sentantiae.)I do not see how this is relevant. There is no question that the Reich government persecuted Catholics and that it was considered an enemy of the Church. The encyclical clearly says so.
The poll questions are all caddywhumpus anyway; at the very least they are unclear.Okay, nice puppy doggy...
Example: What does "great German leader" mean?
The Antichrist, for example, will be a "great (x) leader".
Then, contingent upon the above, can't someone be a non-traitor and try to kill a "great German leader"?
Great leader? Great German? Great both? Okay, then what does/did it mean to be "German" and so, a great one?
By what terms? Who set them?
I do not see how this is relevant. There is no question that the Reich government persecuted Catholics and that it was considered an enemy of the Church. The encyclical clearly says so.Germans were not enemies of the Church. False dichotomy. The Church had enemies within. Especially in that time period when you had the new "Conversos". Fr. Gregory Baum is a prime example: MARRANOS.
Pius XI also explained in that encyclical that his concern not to make the situation worse for German Catholics meant that he could not be as blunt as he otherwise would have been. Obviously, under such circuмstances, he was not going to single out powerful men by name for excommunication.
The Reich government was evil. No matter how much you approve of its actions against Jews and Communists, it was opposed to the Catholic Faith and oppressive to Catholic people. I do not see how it is possible to be a good Catholic and give this government the amount of approval that you do.
You give no quarter to Jews because they are enemies of the Church. Why then this double standard? Why are you giving this other enemy of the Church a free pass?
Germans were not enemies of the Church. False dichotomy. The Church had enemies within. Especially in that time period when you had the new "Conversos". Fr. Gregory Baum is a prime example: MARRANOS.I did not say that Germans were the enemies of the Church. Nobody in this thread has said that. Pius XI, however, said that the Reich government was the enemy of the Church. I accept his teaching. So should you.
THOSE ARE THE TRUE ENEMIES.
My understanding is that Hitler was hated by all his generals and he was responsible for military policies that cost many German lives. He was sleeping when D-Day got under way and everyone was afraid to wake him because he was such a vindictive bastard. So they could not get authorization to move Panzer divisions into place. He basically liquidated Rommel. He was totally inept. And yet he would not negotiate peace. If ever there was cause to put down a rabid dog, this was it. A Catholic bishop approved. Stauffenberg may not be a hero but I believe he acted out of a love for his country. I don't see how a successful assassination of Hitler would have done more harm to Germany than what Hitler did in the final year of the war. Good riddance to that cowardly pervert.The world would've been a better place if Hitler were never born and the nαzι Party stopped dead in its tracks.
It is amazing just how ingrained the Jєωιѕн narrative of WWII is in most western countries and particularly in Catholics. So many doped minds and lazy intellects. There has been so much doctored and false information put forth in this thread alone that it is staggering.Are you claiming that Mit brennender Sorge is "doctored and false information"?
It is amazing just how ingrained the Jєωιѕн narrative of WWII is in most western countries and particularly in Catholics. So many doped minds and lazy intellects. There has been so much doctored and false information put forth in this thread alone that it is staggering.So you're basically endorsing nαzιsm.
The Jews the victors, the world their victims.
Let us face the fact, the Jews, Masonry, and the Communists won that war, and as a result, we have the world in which we live in today. We are thouroughly immersed in the depravity sufferd by pre war Germany, the Church has been rendered ineffective by its true and ancient enemy, and the west is ruled by the decendents of Babylon.
All things by the way, that the National socialists tried to destroy, but were themselves destroyed by the Devils from the east who our Lady warned would devour the world. Her words never heeded, the lessons never learned.
So you're basically endorsing nαzιsm.Case in point!
This poll thread was derailed since post #4. (Third reply)How does looking at the Church teaching regarding the Reich government derail the thread? How else would we determine whether the assassination attempt was justified?
What political assassinations in world history, if any, have been morally justified via Catholic criteria and where can we find the Catholic commentary which sets out said justification for such and such assassinations?The Catholic Encyclopedia has an article on the morality of tyrannicide that may shed some light on your questions: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15108a.htm (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15108a.htm)
What is the Catholic criteria, if any, and where is it found which would justify political assassination of a nation's leader?
"Any vassal or subject can lawfully and meritoriously kill, and ought to kill, any tyrant. He may even, for this purpose, avail himself of ambushes, and wily expressions of affection or of adulation, notwithstanding any oath (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11176a.htm) or pact imposed upon him by the tyrant, and without waiting for the sentence or order of any judge." (Session XV)Subsequently a few Catholics (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03449a.htm) defended, with many limitations and safeguards, the right of subjects to kill a tyrannical ruler. Foremost amongst these was the Spanish (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14169b.htm) Jesuit (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14081a.htm) Mariana (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09659b.htm). In his book, "De rege et regis institutione" (Toledo, 1599), he held that people ought to bear with a tyrant as long as possible, and to take action only when his oppression surpassed all bounds. They ought to come together and give him a warning; this being of no avail they ought to declare him a public enemy and put him to death (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12565a.htm). If no public judgment could be given, and if the people were unanimous, any subject might, if possible, kill him by open, but not by secret means. The book was dedicated to Philip III of Spain (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14169b.htm) and was written at the request of his tutor Garcias de Loaysa, who afterwards became Bishop (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02581b.htm) of Toledo. It was published at Toledo in the printing-office of Pedro Rodrigo, printer to the king, with the approbation (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01656b.htm) of Pedro de Oñ, Provincial (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12514b.htm) of the Mercedarians (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10197b.htm) of Madrid (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09516a.htm), and with the permission of Stephen Hojeda, visitor of the Society of Jesus (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14081a.htm) in the Province of Toledo (see JUAN MARIANA (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09659b.htm)). Most unfairly the Jesuit Order (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14081a.htm) has been blamed for the teaching of Mariana (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09659b.htm). As a matter of fact, Mariana (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09659b.htm) stated that his teaching on tyrannicide was his personal opinion, and immediately on the publication of the book the Jesuit (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14081a.htm) General Aquaviva ordered that it be corrected. He also on 6 July, 1610, forbade any member of the order to teach publicly or privately that it is lawful to attempt the life of a tyrant.
For all those who despise Hitler for all the wrong reasons, I would highly recommend them to read this book...:applause:
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Available to read online here... (https://archive.org/stream/Irving_David_-_Hitlers_War_and_the_War_Path#page/n1/mode/1up)
My understanding is that Hitler was hated by all his generals and he was responsible for military policies that cost many German lives. He was sleeping when D-Day got under way and everyone was afraid to wake him because he was such a vindictive bastard. So they could not get authorization to move Panzer divisions into place. He basically liquidated Rommel. He was totally inept. And yet he would not negotiate peace. If ever there was cause to put down a rabid dog, this was it. A Catholic bishop approved. Stauffenberg may not be a hero but I believe he acted out of a love for his country. I don't see how a successful assassination of Hitler would have done more harm to Germany than what Hitler did in the final year of the war. Good riddance to that cowardly pervert.Hitler was not hated by all of his generals. That is false. He was not inept and made many military decisions based upon the advice of his military staff. Some he made unilaterally or with his close circle.
Irving's book is famous for its sympathetic view of Hitler. I do not understand why Catholics are showing so much sympathy to a persecutor of the Church. It's as if we had people telling us to think more positively about Nero and Diocletian.Have you read the book?
We can't just dismiss the accusations of persecution as propaganda. We have this from the pope of the time. There is no reason to question that the persecution happened. Somehow, we have posters here who seem to think the persecution of Catholics was OK.
Have you read the book?No and I have no intention of doing so. I have limited time available for reading and that is not something I want to use it on.
No and I have no intention of doing so. I have limited time available for reading and that is not something I want to use it on.So you have no credibility in making your comments about the book.
Do you deny that the book is sympathetic to Hitler? Unless I was wrong about that, my point still stands. Catholics should not be fostering sympathy to a persecutor of the Church.
So you have no credibility in making your comments about the book.I said that the book was famous for being sympathetic to Hitler. This is something that a person could know without reading the book. I did do the necessary research to discover the book's reputation and my comment was quite credible.
Irving's book is famous for its sympathetic view of Hitler. I do not understand why Catholics are showing so much sympathy to a persecutor of the Church. It's as if we had people telling us to think more positively about Nero and Diocletian.Jaynek, it is sad to say but to those who hold distorted opinions of this historical period, anyone, who would give the National Socialists or Hitler a fair and objective hearing and accounting will be seen as being "sympathetic" to that which you have predetermined is a great evil. And this is done without consideration to all information which can be found and not a selective segment which paints a one dimensional assessment of these subjects. The Jews have labeled Irving as being sympathetic because he was honest about what he could confirm through his research. Regardless of that, he remains a sound and reliable historian in the bulk of his work.
We can't just dismiss the accusations of persecution as propaganda. We have this from the pope of the time. There is no reason to question that the persecution happened. Somehow, we have posters here who seem to think the persecution of Catholics was OK.
Irving's book is famous for its sympathetic view of Hitler. I do not understand why Catholics are showing so much sympathy to a persecutor of the Church. It's as if we had people telling us to think more positively about Nero and Diocletian.I think a much greater Catholic case for assassination if one was to be made would be for an assassination by a Russian national of Stalin. That said, I would like to mention a book I purchased a few years back at -- get ready -- the SSPX seminary bookstore at Winona! It's quite an amazing and highly docuмented book. I am surprised there is not more publicity about it. The blurb for the nearly 600 page book describes it simply as: "The writings and speeches of the Pope and the German hierarchy, the official decrees and instructions of the government, and the speeches and teachings of the nαzι Party."
We can't just dismiss the accusations of persecution as propaganda. We have this from the pope of the time. There is no reason to question that the persecution happened. Somehow, we have posters here who seem to think the persecution of Catholics was OK.
Jaynek, it is sad to say but to those who hold distorted opinions of this historical period, anyone, who would give the National Socialists or Hitler a fair and objective hearing and accounting will be seen as being "sympathetic" to that which you have predetermined is a great evil.Premise 1: Source that I have a duty to believe (papal encyclical) says Hitler et al. persecuted the Church.
I think a much greater Catholic case for assassination if one was to be made would be for an assassination by a Russian national of Stalin. That said, I would like to mention a book I purchased a few years back at -- get ready -- the SSPX seminary bookstore at Winona! It's quite an amazing and highly docuмented book. I am surprised there is not more publicity about it. The blurb for the nearly 600 page book describes it simply as: "The writings and speeches of the Pope and the German hierarchy, the official decrees and instructions of the government, and the speeches and teachings of the nαzι Party."I had a lot of trouble with the link. In any event, the book which can be seen at Amazon is titled:
See The Persecution of the Catholic Church in the Third Reich (https://www.amazon.com/Persecution-Catholic-Church-Third-Reich/dp/1589801377)
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In the first place, discount the fact that Stauffenberg was a Catholic. Catholicism was not his motivation for taking part in his betrayal of his oaths and countymen. His was a case of disloyalty and the attempted reckless murder of his fellow officers.How do you know what his motivation was? I have seen sources which state that he consulted with a Cardinal before making his decision. That suggests his faith was a factor.
I think that precludes any partisan hero worship that might be coming his way.
The fact of the matter is, that Germany was at war with the Bolshevik communists inside and outside of its borders and was at war with Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and the тαℓмυdic Jews as represented by the "allies". These facts were germane to what was transpiring at the time. At such a moment and in such a context, I believe that it is clear where Von Stauffenberg's loyalties should have been as his actions and those of other contributed to both Germany's and Christendom's defeat at the hands of these Satanic enemies and we and the Church are now enslaved by them. No, he was not a Catholic hero, Leon Degrelle was a Catholic hero who fought for justice, his Faith, and his folk.
Catholicism was not his motivation for taking part in his betrayal of his oaths and countymen. His was a case of disloyalty and the attempted reckless murder of his fellow officers.Betrayal of what oath? His oath to the SS? His countrymen were the peasants of Germany, not the nαzιs, who were an extreme political faction who hijacked the elections. He owed no loyalty to those who destroyed the catholic way of life, who subverted morality, who stole lands from the nobles, who dethroned the king and who eventually imprisoned him.
JPaul,WWII was indeed a Holy War between Christian Europe and Jews, Masonry, and Communism. Even though Christian Europe was already compromised this war was decisive in what shape the future would take.
I would argue that Christendom was already HIGHLY under attack and impaired WELL before Hitler even came into power and before WWI. You seem to be arguing of the "lesser of 2 evils" being the nαzιs, therefore Stauffenberg should have supported them. As a german noble, before the nobility's lands and titles were stripped from them, they were responsible for the economic and social welfare of their counties, in which hundreds of germans lived. The nobles were like mini-kings, who took care of their citizens and had a responsibility in running the overall govt of united germany.
Stauffenberg, based on his letters and stories from his sister in law, was very catholic and his love of country was based on christian ideals, and his duty to his citizens. I find it hard to fathom that he was trying to help the communists by killing hitler, as you insinuate. You are assuming that he knew the full evils and dangers of russia at the time and also that he had the luxury to know what was going on during the war, at a macro level. My perception is that his loyalties were to his faith and country, first, which is why he tried to restore the monarchy multiple times.
Making the argument that trying to overthrow hitler was bad because it helped russia is an argument one can only make AFTER the war is over. Hindsight is 20/20.
Betrayal of what oath? His oath to the SS? His countrymen were the peasants of Germany, not the nαzιs, who were an extreme political faction who hijacked the elections. He owed no loyalty to those who destroyed the catholic way of life, who subverted morality, who stole lands from the nobles, who dethroned the king and who eventually imprisoned him.This was indeed what happened in Wiemar Germany and after WWI. The Catholic way of life was degraded long before Hitler was a whisper. And Hitler did not do what you charge, it had already been accomplished.
and the elections were not hijacked. They were soundly elected as the legal government.Yes, they were sounded elected, in the end. But before Hitler was even imprisoned, Germany had many years of "political hand wringing" where elections were hijaked, in the sense that they are today - with lies, arm twisting, scandalous "compromises" and voting scandals. Hitler's party was the end result of many years of political manuevering. Just because Hitler was soundly elected doesn't mean his platform was soundly supported; by that time, many of the people had no decent choice in candidates (much like the US for the last 50 years).
Giving him the benefit of the doubt, considering he tried to restore the monarchy, could it not have been that he thought by Hitler's death they could restore the banished king, thereby saving Germany? That seems to have been his intent, which is a good and catholic one.PV, the future of any restoration of Monarchy had also been pre-determined. It would not be allowed.
If you are arguing that his attempt on Hitler wounded Germany, and caused her to fall to russia, I find that very weak. Germany's society was an immoral timebomb, waiting to fall. Their economy was destroyed. The only attempt at restoring catholicism was through the monarchy.
If you want to argue that the monarchy wouldn't have survived, and Germany still would've fallen to russia, fine. But, we'll never know... I'd vote to try to restore catholicism vs defending an immoral govt, which will eventually fail anyway.
Under ther NS, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity was outlawed, the Lodges were closed and Masonry banned, decadent art, plays, music, and sculpture were destroyed and thier creators shown the door out of Germany. Marriage and families were encouraged and subsidized. Usury was banned and Germany was once again in control of its currency and its destiny. This is not exactly as you have described things.One of the bad things involved with this regime was the persecution of Catholics. You really sound like you think it was worth it.
Even accounting for the unsucessful or bad things involved with this regime, that they raised the standard of living, morality, and social order of Germany in a short 3 years, should at least give a reasonable man pause before he condemns the whole thing as evil and a failure.
Do you imagine that the тαℓмυdic Bolsheviks would tolerate a restoration in Germany?You give them too much credit. The devil can't just do anything he wants. God can protect anyone He desires. We can't avoid an idealistic, catholic goal simply because we *think* it won't work. If that was the attitude, then we might as well have surrendered before the battle of Lepanto...
I said that the book was famous for being sympathetic to Hitler. This is something that a person could know without reading the book. I did do the necessary research to discover the book's reputation and my comment was quite credible.Your comment is based on others opinions on a very sensitive subject. It's akin to the present political climate that anything to the right of the leftist position is "racist/nαzι/white supremacist".
If you have some evidence that the book's reputation is undeserved please present it.
You give them too much credit. The devil can't just do anything he wants. God can protect anyone He desires. We can't avoid an idealistic, catholic goal simply because we *think* it won't work. If that was the attitude, then we might as well have surrendered before the battle of Lepanto...The 'ol occult canard. I was wondering when this would be rolled out. It's total rubbish. But, as you said, you're no WWII historian, so I don't blame you.
As far as any good the nαzιs did in Germany, I'm not a WW2 historian by any means. I'll take your word for it. Did Hitler double cross political powers, much like Napoleon? Probably. Does that make him good? No. He was the lesser of 2 evils, I say.
Honest question, because I don't know - Was Hitler involved in the occult? Seems there's a lot of evidence to say yes. Did hitler die in argentina? Seems the answer is yes. So, if these are both true, even with the "good laws" he passed, at best, he's a hypocrite who played the germans. At worse, he's a satanist who was involved in "in fighting" between masonic sects, (i.e. germany vs russia) to see who would rule the east. Again, lesser of 2 evils.
The NSDAP did not persecute the Church. They persecuted subversives that happened to be Catholic. I have written extensively on this in another thread.Pius XI wrote an encyclical that said they did persecute the Church. That carries a lot more weight than anything you could write.
https://www.cathinfo.com/art-and-literature-for-catholics/catholics-and-hitler/
Pius XI wrote an encyclical that said they did persecute the Church. That carries a lot more weight than anything you could write.What encyclical are you referring to?
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- Paperback: 592 pages
- Publisher: Pelican Publishing (July 31, 2003)
- Language: English
- ISBN-10: 1589801377
- ISBN-13: 978-1589801370
The 'ol occult canard. I was wondering when this would be rolled out. It's total rubbish. But, as you said, you're no WWII historian, so I don't blame you.Here, I'm rolling it out, with references:
Alfred Rosenberg was truly the brains behind the nαzι Gnosis. He was born in 1893 in Estonia to a family of Baltic Germans. He received his engineering doctorate in Moscow in early 1917. One year later, fleeing the Communist Revolution he emigrated to Germany.
It was Eckart who introduced him to Hitler at the beginning of his political career. Rosenberg was one of the first to enlist in the nαzι Party and “his influence was decisive in the formation of the future ‘Lord of Germany,’ in whom he even further instilled anti-Semitism and the proclivity to the occult” (apud Hitler and the Cathar Tradition, p. 262). Anti-Catholic bend of nαzιsm In his key-work The Myth of the 20th Century, the most influential nαzι text after Hitler’s Mein Kampf, Rosenberg rejects the Old Testament; in the New Testament, he repudiates principally the Epistles of St. Paul. For this theoretician of nαzιsm “there is a negative Christianity and a positive Christianity. The former is linked to the image of the crucified Jesus, the latter to the image of the living Jesus” (ibid., p. 264). Rosenberg does not consider early Christianity as an enemy, since it exalts the personality of the living Jesus, but - following the path of the Gnostics to whom he adheres - he rejects the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Our Savior as mystifications of the Eastern mentality.
To the philosopher Rosenthal, “every event is significant and expresses the eternal fight between the forces of light and darkness. From his perspective, all the heretics, the Cathars above all, are considered heroes in a tragedy of cosmic dimension. In this gigantic battle of the German-Nordic peoples of Europe against Roman universalism and conquering Catholicism, the history of the Albigensians, Valdenses, Cathars, early reformers, Huguenots and Lutherans play an avidly epic role” (pp. 264-265). According to his work The Myth of the 20th Century, the German mind rejects the static concept of one God, Sovereign of the Universe, and breaks with the Old Testament. With this rejection the German mind follows the spirit of Luther who “was liberated from the Jews and their lies.” To this cascade of blasphemies, the intellectual of nαzιsm adds that death should not be considered, as taught by Christianity, as the wages of sin (Rom 6:23); on the contrary it is a simple natural phenomenon that “does not disturb the eternal process that existed before us and will continue to exist after us” (p.268). Clearly these pantheist ideas are not original, but copied from the neo-Platonic School of Alexandria. Quote [Note: Philo of Alexandria, 25BC-50AC, made a synthesis of the Jєωιѕн Kabbalah and the Hellenist Gnosis of his time, considered one of the most encompassing works of Gnosis. It is normally referred to as the Gnostic School of Alexandria or neo-Platonic School of Alexandria. It was the basis for many heresies in the first centuries of the Church.]The preternatural presence in Hitler’s life
Either with individuals or before a multitude, Hitler revealed a great hypnotic power. Someone affirmed that he was possessed by invisible powers, his “unknown superiors” referred to by Hermann Rauschning. In his work Hitler Told Me, he describes the Führer as an antenna in touch with frightening, superior beings: “One of his domestics told me that Hitler often awakened at night shouting convulsively for help. He used to remain paralyzed sitting at the edge of his bed, overcome by a panic that made the whole bed shake. He shouted incomprehensible and clipped phrases, breathing with difficulty as if he were being suffocated. The same person reported one of these episodes to me with details that I normally would not have believed if the person had not been so certain.
“His words, ‘I follow the way that Providence points me with the confidence of a sleep-walker,’ indicates the lines of his supra-normal powers. But, from whom did he receive those powers? Would it be per chance from the Thule group that had initiated him in Eastern esotericism? Would it be from the mysterious man in the green gloves sent to him by the warlocks of Tibet? Or would it be from an older revelation?” (p. 283) Hitler hated hunters because he believed human souls were reincarnated in the bodies of animals, like the Cathars and Buddhists who believe in metempsychosis. (p.287) Once he declared: “Even those who commit ѕυιcιdє indisputably return to nature - body, soul and spirit” (Adolph Hitler, Libres Propos, Flammarion, Paris, 1952, apud Hitler and the Cathar Tradition, p. 291). From all that is affirmed in the book of Jean M. Angebert one thing seems certain to us: the Gnostic and occult character of National Socialism both in the actions and the aims of its principal leaders. It is another confirmation that a natural consequence of Gnosis is Socialism. In his book Out of the Night, about the fight of Communists and nαzιs after World War II, Marxist Jean Valtin reported the surprise and unease of the Communist grassroots in Germany who received the instruction not to resist the partisans of Hitler. A little before the fall of Berlin, Goebbels proclaimed in a radio speech that even though National Socialism was being defeated by arms, it would emerge victorious with the implantation of Socialism throughout the world. Considering the Hegelian origins of Marxist Socialism and its Gnostic roots, we can easily conceive that both National Socialism and Marxist Socialism could well reinforce each other in the dialectical shock of their apparent opposition. Posted May 15, 2008 Translated from Catolicismo, September 1971 |
For all those who despise Hitler for all the wrong reasons, I would highly recommend them to read this book...
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Available to read online here... (https://archive.org/stream/Irving_David_-_Hitlers_War_and_the_War_Path#page/n1/mode/1up)
The world would've been a better place if Hitler were never born and the nαzι Party stopped dead in its tracks.That rings just a tad omniscient...
America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.
H. Kissinger
Wow! That completely fits the development of Zionism.
The most satisfying lecture on Hilter's motivations came from the Cincinnati trad, Jim Condit.
The Final Solution to Adolf Hitler (https://youtu.be/YDf4RYxD0Js)
He theme is that Hitler was put into power by elite jews precisely to help herd the common jews back into Palestine.
A crisis had to be made up to get them out of Europe and Hitler was the guy to do it.
What encyclical are you referring to?As I posted earlier in the thread:
http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html (http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html)
"...the evidence of events should have torn the mask off the systematic hostility leveled at the Church. Even now that a campaign against the confessional schools, which are guaranteed by the concordat, and the destruction of free election, where Catholics have a right to their children's Catholic education, afford evidence, in a matter so essential to the life of the Church, of the extreme gravity of the situation and the anxiety of every Christian conscience..."
"...We turn to you [the German bishops], and through you, the German Catholics, who, like all suffering and afflicted children, are nearer to their Father's heart. At a time when your faith, like gold, is being tested in the fire of tribulation and persecution, when your religious freedom is beset on all sides, when the lack of religious teaching and of normal defense is heavily weighing on you, you have every right to words of truth and spiritual comfort..."
"We thank you, Venerable Brethren, your priests and Faithful, who have persisted in their Christian duty and in the defense of God's rights in the teeth of an aggressive paganism. Our gratitude, warmer still and admiring, goes out to those who, in fulfillment of their duty, have been deemed worthy of sacrifice and suffering for the love of God."
"In your country, Venerable Brethren, voices are swelling into a chorus urging people to leave the Church, and among the leaders there is more than one whose official position is intended to create the impression that this infidelity to Christ the King constitutes a signal and meritorious act of loyalty to the modern State. Secret and open measures of intimidation, the threat of economic and civic disabilities, bear on the loyalty of certain classes of Catholic functionaries, a pressure which violates every human right and dignity. Our wholehearted paternal sympathy goes out to those who must pay so dearly for their loyalty to Christ and the Church; but directly the highest interests are at stake, with the alternative of spiritual loss, there is but one alternative left, that of heroism."
"The believer has an absolute right to profess his Faith and live according to its dictates. Laws which impede this profession and practice of Faith are against natural law."
"Thousands of voices ring into your ears a Gospel which has not been revealed by the Father of Heaven. Thousands of pens are wielded in the service of a Christianity, which is not of Christ. Press and wireless daily force on you productions hostile to the Faith and to the Church, impudently aggressive against whatever you should hold venerable and sacred."
"To all those who have kept their promised fidelity to their Bishops on the day of their ordination; to all those who in the exercise of their priestly function are called upon to suffer persecution; to all those imprisoned in jail and cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs, the Father of the Christian world sends his words of gratitude and commendation."
"Then We are sure, the enemies of the Church, who think that their time has come, will see that their joy was premature, and that they may close the grave they had dug. The day will come when the Te Deum of liberation will succeed to the premature hymns of the enemies of Christ: Te Deum of triumph and joy and gratitude, as the German people return to religion, bend the knee before Christ, and arming themselves against the enemies of God, again resume the task God has laid upon them."
St. Pius X: "The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people. "
The most satisfying lecture on Hilter's motivations came from the Cincinnati trad, Jim Condit.
The Final Solution to Adolf Hitler (https://youtu.be/YDf4RYxD0Js)
He theme is that Hitler was put into power by elite jews precisely to help herd the common jews back into Palestine.
A crisis had to be made up to get them out of Europe and Hitler was the guy to do it.
A crisis was made up?
The most satisfying lecture on Hilter's motivations came from the Cincinnati trad, Jim Condit.
The Final Solution to Adolf Hitler (https://youtu.be/YDf4RYxD0Js)
He theme is that Hitler was put into power by elite jews precisely to help herd the common jews back into Palestine.
A crisis had to be made up to get them out of Europe and Hitler was the guy to do it.
A crisis was made up?
I suppose the state of the Germany during the Weimar "Republic" was made up? The political intrigue between the Zionists and British in the Balfour agreement was made up? The declaration of war by the Jews against Germany in 1933 was made up? The central bankers comprised of mostly Jews was made up? The creation of the Bolsheviks/Marxists and their plan to dominate Europe by systematically deposing the monarchs was made up? That Hitler kicked the bankers out and imprisoned a Rothschild was made up? How much more can I present?
JayneK will give the video credence, but refuses to read a book that is quite enlightening and rely upon hearsay? Disingenuous to say the least.
You know Jayne, you stated that you will listen to Pius XI over me. Fine. I will listen to someone who wasn't shielded by his entourage that was filled with Marxist sympathizers, men like Leon Degrelle. A man who was there in the halls and trenches. A man who took action and started a Catholic movement in Belgium, defended his people and Europe against the Marxists and died attending only the TLM until he died in 1994, and defended Hitler till the day he died. Franco praised him as a hero and loyal son of the Church.
I will not defend a scoundrel like Pacelli, who sided with the menace that undermined the Church after the war. The side that were Marxists, Zionists, Masons and the real enemies of the Church.
Put the kool aid down folks, and learn. You have been duped. Just like you were at one time with Vatican II, the New Mass, etc., etc., etc.
Why didn't Franco help Hitler, if he supported him? Hitler helped Franco but not vice versa. I am a WW2 illiterate; would like to know.Why not type in "Why didn't Franco help Hitler" into your Internet search bar and then begin to sort it out!
What did you think of the video?
Why not type in "Why didn't Franco help Hitler" into your Internet search bar and then begin to sort it out!
A crisis was made up?This could not be more true or said as well. :applause:
I suppose the state of the Germany during the Weimar "Republic" was made up? The political intrigue between the Zionists and British in the Balfour agreement was made up? The declaration of war by the Jews against Germany in 1933 was made up? The central bankers comprised of mostly Jews was made up? The creation of the Bolsheviks/Marxists and their plan to dominate Europe by systematically deposing the monarchs was made up? That Hitler kicked the bankers out and imprisoned a Rothschild was made up? How much more can I present?
JayneK will give the video credence, but refuses to read a book that is quite enlightening and rely upon hearsay? Disingenuous to say the least. Ciou
You know Jayne, you stated that you will listen to Pius XI over me. Fine. I will listen to someone who wasn't shielded by his entourage that was filled with Marxist sympathizers, men like Leon Degrelle. A man who was there in the halls and trenches. A man who took action and started a Catholic movement in Belgium, defended his people and Europe against the Marxists and died attending only the TLM until he died in 1994, and defended Hitler till the day he died. Franco praised him as a hero and loyal son of the Church.
I will not defend a scoundrel like Pacelli, who sided with the menace that undermined the Church after the war. The side that were Marxists, Zionists, Masons and the real enemies of the Church.
Put the kool aid down folks, and learn. You have been duped. Just like you were at one time with Vatican II, the New Mass, etc., etc., etc.
JayneK will give the video credence, but refuses to read a book that is quite enlightening and rely upon hearsay? Disingenuous to say the least.It is not so much that I give the video credence as that it is more interesting to me because of the Zionism connection. I have very strong anti-Zionist feelings so that piqued my interest. A book just about Hitler sounds pretty boring.
You know Jayne, you stated that you will listen to Pius XI over me. Fine. I will listen to someone who wasn't shielded by his entourage that was filled with Marxist sympathizers, men like Leon Degrelle. A man who was there in the halls and trenches. A man who took action and started a Catholic movement in Belgium, defended his people and Europe against the Marxists and died attending only the TLM until he died in 1994, and defended Hitler till the day he died. Franco praised him as a hero and loyal son of the Church.
I will not defend a scoundrel like Pacelli, who sided with the menace that undermined the Church after the war. The side that were Marxists, Zionists, Masons and the real enemies of the Church.
Put the kool aid down folks, and learn. You have been duped. Just like you were at one time with Vatican II, the New Mass, etc., etc., etc.
It has become apparent that no fruitful or rational discussion is possible on this and other like subjects as those who hold opposing opinions do not speak the same language and see concepts, ideologies, and moral and religious matters with the same divergence of apprehension.Ive asked you and others for more specifics. I'm open to listening. The above is just a philosophic generalization. You can't say we're poor thinkers without presenting the evidence.
There is a great lack of scholarship and diligence in this generation and both neo-traditional and conciiar neo-catholics are infected almost in the same proportions as the mainstream. Intellect and reason are given to man for discernment and apprehension of truth, and to let such faculties languish must be a sin in some unseen realm.
Ive asked you and others for more specifics. I'm open to listening. The above is just a philosophic generalization. You can't say we're poor thinkers without presenting the evidence.The evidence is in your statements and conclusions. You do not need me to help, you are doing fine on your own.
P.s. I've talked to a friend who has read a lot of Irving (and is a big fan...has traveled to hear him speak) but he doesn't think Hitler was some savior of Germany, in the catholic sense. Was he "over the top" vilified and "scape-goat'ed" by the joos for political and Israeli reasons? That's obvious. But that doesn't mean he was a good ruler for Germany.Irving is but a small part of the puzzle. It takes a lot of effort and a search through many sources to come to an approximation of the true histories which have been so altered and suppressed for such a long time.
It is not so much that I give the video credence as that it is more interesting to me because of the Zionism connection. I have very strong anti-Zionist feelings so that piqued my interest. A book just about Hitler sounds pretty boring.
The book contains information that pertains precisely to that subject.
I am having trouble seeing how your position could be Catholic. I can follow both the Sedevacantist and "Recognize and Resist" arguments, but you don't seem to fit either of those. Your view seems to be that you can ignore the pope whenever you feel like it.
This analysis is so laughable I can hardly incline myself to respond. I can ignore the pope whenever I want? What do you think R&R is?
But perhaps I am missing something. I don't see what Pacelli (aka Pius XII) has to do with whether one should believe an encyclical written by the previous pope, Pius XI.
If you could bother to read the link I posted to what I have written in other threads, this would be obvious. Since Pius XI did not know German, since Pius XII was the papal nuncio to Germany and knew the language, and since Cardinal Siri had stated that the encyclical had been altered, how do you think that squares with the fact that Pius XI played a key role in getting Hitler elected in '33 and helping the NSDAP gain seats in the Reichstag? How does Pius XI support Hitler in gaining power, and then do an about face when nothing had come to light that was any different in tone to what the NSDAP stood on politically and socially between the time Hitler wrote Mein Kampf and 1938? There can only be one logical answer. And keep in mind, Rampolla was a mentor to Pacelli, a known Mason that had an enormous influence on the shaping of Pacelli's political views.
This analysis is so laughable I can hardly incline myself to respond. I can ignore the pope whenever I want? What do you think R&R is?As near as I can tell, those who practice, preach, and profess it don't accord as to what it is amongst themselves; if so, then is it fair to expect others to?
Welp, I guess the Hitler apologists just want to give us a summary of their views and nothing substantial, even though we've asked. I find it hard to believe though, that he was some bastion of catholicism and morality.
Straw man. I never claimed that.
Where's the proof? Franco's name has been dragged through the mud but there's plenty of evidence that he was a staunch catholic, and possibly a saint.
“Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, died while defending Christianity. It is therefore understandable that words cannot be found to lament over his death, when so many were found to exalt his life. Over his mortal remains stands his victorious moral figure. With the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of Victory.”-Franco
Hitler? The only thing we can say about him is that he turned on his once-friends of the global elite. Is this good? Sure. But that doesn't mean he was an exemplary catholic leader.
Again, no one claimed that he was. Many of the Catholic heirarchy weren't either and that's their job.
Was he better than the rest of the leaders at the time (i.e. Roosevelt, Churchill, Mussolini, etc)? I can buy that. But just because he changed his tune into a "germany first" chant from a "global govt" symphony doesn't mean he was God's gift to Germany. It just means there was in-fighting in the different freemasonic factions...much like what is going on now, between Trump and the rest of the world (Trump is "old school" who wants a global govt with countries' sovereignty still intact, which differs from the way that the Bush's/Obama want it, which are weak "country states" and a powerful UN). It's just a different way to skin the cat.
Unfortunately, Trump is no Hitler.
This brings us back to the main question: Was Stauffenberg wrong to try to kill Hitler? Putting aside the morality of killing a tyrant...let's just assume that it's allowed (I'm not sure if it is; it would depend). If it was allowed, and if you are a Hitler apologist, please show me the evidence that Stauffenberg was an evil man? My evidence says he was a good catholic with intentions to restore catholicism to Germany.
What makes you think he intended to "restore" Catholicism? And more importantly, who said Catholicism needed to be restored?
"Today Christians (https://www.thoughtco.com/basic-christian-beliefs-700357) ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past (few) years."
- Adolf Hitler, quoted in: The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872
You call him a traitor just because he was against Hitler. I argue that even if Hitler was against the 'global elite' that doesn't mean he was a good, catholic leader. Maybe he wanted his own version of tyranny, independent of the thumb of the rothchilds?
Pius XI thought he was the best antidote against the Marxist hordes and put his political weight behind supporting him. What does that say?
What empirical proof do you have that Hitler made it to Germany?
One last question....if Hitler was such a "rebel" against the global elites, how did he escape into Argentina? Who let him live for so long? The joos have long been involved in Argentina - are you saying Hitler was able to hide there without the globalists knowing? No way! More likely, Hitler was a pawn in a global scheme to destroy Germany, much like Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin were pawns. The real rulers are nameless and behind the scenes. Hitler may have butted heads with them, but he fulfilled his purpose - Germany was destroyed economically, socially and religiously. And Europe fell, post WW2, into socialism and irreligiousness because Germany was weak spiritually. Mission accomplished.
Many learn their history by watching movies and listening to Mark Levin.
Some of you folks here really need to have a better understanding of what Germany was like before the war and why they had to put down so more intelligent discussions can come about with this subject.
Many learn their history by watching movies and listening to Mark LeviAin't it the truth. :facepalm:
It has become apparent that no fruitful or rational discussion is possible on this and other like subjects as those who hold opposing opinions do not speak the same language and see concepts, ideologies, and moral and religious matters with the same divergence of apprehension.This is just what I was thinking. I cannot even figure out how it is possible for Catholics to be writing the sort of thing that pro-Hitler people are writing in this thread. Our underlying assumptions appear to be so different that communication is not possible. There does not seem much point in attempting to continue.
Some of you folks here really need to have a better understanding of what Germany was like before the war and why they "had to be put down" so more intelligent discussions can come about with this subject.Your analysis is right on target and is true, but you must also add into the mix the hatred for Germany and the pathological need for vengence which was has always been part and parcel of the Jєωιѕн makup.
I would like to say I apologize if i came across too strong.I particularly admired your posts and frequently found myself thinking that you were being true to your name. You chose your username well.
Jєωιѕн influence in the Vatican had been well established by this point and was excercised both during and after the war.For the record, I do agree with this part.
True history is not what we learned in text books nor is it to be found in the History/Discovery programs about it, which are all part of the Jєωιѕн propaganda regime.
This the entertainment field and where else do you fing an overwhelming number of Jews? In the public school systems, in academia, in universities, in most major publishing houses and printers of textbooks.
Is it no wonder that the population has been so conditioned as it is? Raised to respond to trigger words and phrases in a predicted pattern and with emotion and not reason.
I would like to say I apologize if i came across too strong. I'll be the first to admit that probably 99% of people on here know more about WW2 than I. It seems that JPaul, LeDeg and klasG4e are all in agreement that i'm wrong (which is probably accurate) but each of them to a different degree and of a different shade, because each of you has answered my questions with a different perspective (which generally agrees, but specifically, does not in some areas). I was trying to play devild's advocate, in order to get to the "bottom line". I'm honestly trying to learn and I know it's a dense topic but a lot of your answers were mysterious and too general and/or defensive, since you assumed I was against your opinion. That's not your fault; I suppose it's due to the subject matter. I'm sure your alternate views of history often get criticized, so I can't blame you for being defensive. Anyway, I appreciate the info you did provide and am seriously considering adding a few of your recommended books to my reading list.You raise a very instructive point here. Those who do some honest research will indeed arrive at similar conclusions which point to the truth of the matter. That they vary in their approach, is largely due to different sources of information and sometimes a peculiarities of perspective. Find a more accurate accounting of anything is always a matter of piecing together the fragments of truth which have not been altered or obliterated. We live in a world of illusion, one created to make us believe what we thing we see, hear, and understand. False realities are not that hard to produce when you know how and have the required bad intent to do so.
The negative, unsupported, and unchallenged assertions about popes in this thread as well as a generally, if tacitly, dismissive response to Mit is a very odd display of "Catholicity".My views on Pius XI and Pius XII, Mit and the events leading up to WWII and eventually the demise of the Church are based on historical facts. I do not allow ultramontanism to get in the way, much like R&R's don't let Vatican II and all of the subsequent events after it to get in the way of dismissing anything the recognized hierarchy says or does.
To those making such assertions, I ask that you either reassess, or prove your charges, starting with this seeming capacity for mind-reading.
Why is it that the Monday morning QBs and armchair generals seem to grant so many lauds and so much latitude to a Hitler, without granting at least as much to Vicars of Christ? (Presuming that the respective parties hold that they are such.)
The negative, unsupported, and unchallenged assertions about popes in this thread as well as a generally, if tacitly, dismissive response to Mit is a very odd display of "Catholicity".
To those making such assertions, I ask that you either reassess, or prove your charges, starting with this seeming capacity for mind-reading.
Why is it that the Monday morning QBs and armchair generals seem to grant so many lauds and so much latitude to a Hitler, without granting at least as much to Vicars of Christ? (Presuming that the respective parties hold that they are such.)
but the problem was that Hitler and company separated themselves from the the teachings of Christ and His Church in their pursuit of a policy of Imperialistic race hatred against the Jєωιѕн people.Again, this type of comment brings up my main point and question:
My views on Pius XI and Pius XII, Mit and the events leading up to WWII and eventually the demise of the Church are based on historical facts. I do not allow ultramontanism to get in the way, much like R&R's don't let Vatican II and all of the subsequent events after it to get in the way of dismissing anything the recognized hierarchy says or does.So you say.
My views go much further back than these events. But, that's another story.
So you're basically endorsing nαzιsm.Um, nαzιsm? No such thing. it's called National Socialism, and no, despite the propensity of so many propagandized Americans to equate it with communism or socialism as we commonly understand them (can you say nominal ism?) it was more a world view thinking that Nations where extended families with shared common interest. Also, under no circuмstances did the Germ,ans want to "take over the world" until Murika came to save the day at D-day/Normandy invasion. The fact that so many of us believe all the BS about this era is proof of how controlled we are by the Jews. Mit Brennender Sorge was about the risk of the German State being worshiped at the expense of eternal truth (can we say Catholicism? as if there is any other?) I think had Hitler won the war, what you'd have today is a confederation of equal and legitimate nation states in Europe, but no NWO/Jew run international banking scheme/sham that makes everyone's life's bad.
but the problem was that Hitler and company separated themselves from the the teachings of Christ and His Church in their pursuit of a policy of Imperialistic race hatred against the Jєωιѕн people. If you don't have a hard copy it can be viewed on line at https://archive.org/details/ThePlotAgainstTheChurch_192 (https://archive.org/details/ThePlotAgainstTheChurch_192)First, Hitler did not promote hatred against the Jєωιѕн people. How else do you explain that over 40 Jews served in the German command, such Field Marshal Milch? Over 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? This was with the full knowledge of the NSDAP and they did nothing but welcome their service in the cause. Hitler's own chaueffer was a Jew. One of his kitchen staff was Jєωιѕн.
(https://archive.org/details/ThePlotAgainstTheChurch_192)
(https://archive.org/details/ThePlotAgainstTheChurch_192)
Personally, I have found the most comprehensive, balanced, and correct treatment of the Jєωιѕн Question, Hitler and the nαzιs (National Socialists of the Third Reich) to be found in the pages of the stunning and profoundly significant work, The Plot Against the Church. (If only this book had been given proper attention by the bishops and cardinals at Vatican II. Alas, hindsight is 20/20.) If you have a hard copy with an index (which unfortunately the linked copy here does not) you may wish to go directly to your index and check out the pages under the entries for Hitler and nαzιs. In short the collective authors (i.e., Maurice Pinay) assert that much of what Hitler and his party did were spot on and actually in accord with much of Church truth and policy in regards to the handling of the Jews , but the problem was that Hitler and company separated themselves from the the teachings of Christ and His Church in their pursuit of a policy of Imperialistic race hatred against the Jєωιѕн people. If you don't have a hard copy it can be viewed on line at https://archive.org/details/ThePlotAgainstTheChurch_192 (https://archive.org/details/ThePlotAgainstTheChurch_192)This is a response to that quoted how exactly?
(https://archive.org/details/ThePlotAgainstTheChurch_192)
(https://archive.org/details/ThePlotAgainstTheChurch_192)
This is a response to that quoted how exactly?
"Google it", or "look it up yourself", is BS.
However, if that's the standard you want to use, then you won't mind if people make allegations and insinuation about you while you're not about to defend yourself, and then serve up some weak sauce, "google it" or "read a book" response that doesn't appear to have any relevance, right?
"Honorable"
Whatever.
YOu might try the dismissive, "Antisemite" like "defeater" of "Ultramontane"; it seems to meet the same high standards of rigor and virtue...oh yeah, and "honor".
To heck with it, let's just emulate that vaunted German "efficiency" and work ethic, become formal Protestants, call it a day, then we can just make crap up and say we're "inspired".
At least that part would be true, God forbid it, because it wouldn't be HIm doing the inspiring.
Sorry if I offended you or anyone else on this forum DZ PLEASE. I never intended to.I DESERVE offense man; itt's not my offense that I"m concerned with.
Um, nαzιsm? No such thing. it's called National Socialism, and no, despite the propensity of so many propagandized Americans to equate it with communism or socialism as we commonly understand them (can you say nominal ism?) it was more a world view thinking that Nations where extended families with shared common interest. Also, under no circuмstances did the Germ,ans want to "take over the world" until Murika came to save the day at D-day/Normandy invasion. The fact that so many of us believe all the BS about this era is proof of how controlled we are by the Jews. Mit Brennender Sorge was about the risk of the German State being worshiped at the expense of eternal truth (can we say Catholicism? as if there is any other?) I think had Hitler won the war, what you'd have today is a confederation of equal and legitimate nation states in Europe, but no NWO/Jew run international banking scheme/sham that makes everyone's life's bad.Well said. This pretty much sums it up. The marranos who infiltrated the Church granted the apostates their V2.
Oh, just because some Catholic calls himself that, don't make it so! The Heretics that gave the world V2 were a bunch of well placed men from the same era. Thanks Jews
Well said. This pretty much sums it up. The marranos who infiltrated the Church granted the apostates their V2.Name them.
YES MARRANOS..
Subversive, meek on the outside but pure putrescence on the inside.
"You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
But if I say the truth, you believe me not.
Which of you shall convince me of sin? If I say the truth to you, why do you not believe me?"
Name them.http://newensign.christsassembly.com/A%20History%20of%20The%20Marranos.pdf (http://newensign.christsassembly.com/A%20History%20of%20The%20Marranos.pdf)
http://newensign.christsassembly.com/A%20History%20of%20The%20Marranos.pdf (http://newensign.christsassembly.com/A%20History%20of%20The%20Marranos.pdf)Thank you, but let's cut through the stuffing; does any posting this thread hold that any pope or popes referred to on this thread, namely those going by "Pius" were traitors, Jews, not Catholics, not popes etc.?
Montini, (anti-pope)
Baum (Drafted Nostrae aetate, head peritus for Unitatis Redintegratio and Dignitatis Humanae)
In the first place, discount the fact that Stauffenberg was a Catholic.
Can we do the same regarding you?
Catholicism was not his motivation
Evidence? i.e., "Prove" it. More to the point, first show how you can justly assert such in the first place.
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Baum (Drafted Nostrae aetate, head peritus for Unitatis Redintegratio and Dignitatis Humanae)For those unfamiliar with Gregory Baum, here is some background information:
Baum attended the Second Vatican Council (1962-65) as a peritus, or theological expert. He vigorously opposed Catholic teaching on a range of issues, including contraception, priestly celibacy, and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gαy-ex-priest-who-pushed-canadian-bishops-to-reject-contraception-teaching (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gαy-ex-priest-who-pushed-canadian-bishops-to-reject-contraception-teaching)
He was one of the most outspoken critics of Pope Paul VI's 1968 condemnation of contraception in the encyclical Humanae Vitae, even to the point of rallying opposition to the teaching.
Baum played no small part in the outcome of the Canadian bishops adopting a position of open dissent from Humanae Vitae two months after its release.
In their September 27, 1968, controversial “Winnipeg Statement,” the bishops opened a door for couples to use contraception, stating that if a couple has "tried sincerely but without success to pursue a line of conduct in keeping with the given directives, they may be safely assured that, whoever honestly chooses that course which seems right to him does so in good conscience."
Monsignor Vincent Foy, who was known until his death as the foremost expert on the Canadian bishops’ dissent in Winnipeg, wrote that Baum’s influence over the bishops’ proceedings at that time cast a “black shadow.”
“If it had not been for the black shadow of Baum over Winnipeg, his influence over some Bishops, the Canadian theological establishment and pressure groups, the Winnipeg Statement of the Canadian Bishops on Humanae Vitae would not have refused to endorse the teaching of the encyclical as it did,” he wrote.
Baum revealed in a book published this year that he secretly led an active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ life for decades.
In The Oil Has Not Run Dry: The Story of My Theological Pathway, Baum states that he chose to keep his ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity a secret while appearing to be a faithful priest so he could continue to exert his influence within the Catholic Church.
“I did not profess my own ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in public because such an act of honesty would have reduced my influence as a critical theologian,” he wrote.
“I was eager to be heard as a theologian trusting in God as salvator mundi (Savior of the world) and committed to social justice, liberation theology, and global solidarity,” he added.
In his book, Baum details his ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ experiences.
“I was 40 years old when I had my first sɛҳuąƖ encounter with a man. I met him in a restaurant in London. This was exciting and at the same time disappointing, for I knew what love was and what I really wanted was to share my life with a partner.”
He wrote that he considered resigning from the priesthood but did not go through with the formality, rather choosing to announce it in the national newspaper. He later married a divorced ex-nun who he says “did not mind that, when we moved to Montreal in 1986, I met Normand, a former priest, with whom I fell in love.” Normand, he wrote, “is gαy and welcomed my sɛҳuąƖ embrace.”
Noted Toronto Catholic priest and Vatican consultant Fr. Thomas Rosica hosted a controversial appearance of Baum at the Catholic Newman Centre of the University of Toronto in 1996 and in 2012 made him a featured guest on his Canadian Catholic TV station Salt and Light Television (https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/same-sex-marriage-advocate-gregory-baum-lauded-by-fr.-thomas-rosica).
During the Salt and Light interview, Fr. Rosica professed to having known Baum for a long time and praised him for his theology.
“I’ve certainly admired very much your theology, your writings but also your love of the Church, your love of Christ, and you helped to keep alive not only the spirit of the Second Vatican Council but also the authentic teaching of the Council,” Fr. Rosica said of Baum.
“You remain a faithful, deeply devoted Catholic, love Jesus, the Church, the Eucharist,” he added.
Monsignor Foy, on the other hand, considered Baum as having “done more than any person to harm the Church in Canada.”
It is reasonable enough to charge someone like this of being a Marrano, but I have gotten the impression that Gottmituns suspects all Catholics of Jєωιѕн heritage of intending harm to the Church.
Possibly ma'am, but there's no cause to commit a similar wrong even intending a right end; besides, he can answer y/n for himself, or tacitly "yes" in not responding promptly enough subsequent to any other posts that he makes.
This does not seem fair to those who have sincerely converted.
Presuming that they have which, without adequate evidence to the contrary, justice and prudence demands; actual enemies of the Faith can exploit the unfounded, and so drive wedges for the purpose of breaching, dividing and conquering. Frankly, there's more that a whiff of that in the air at current, if you'll pardon.
As far as "heritage" goes, I think most would be surprised exactly what their own is, contingent upon how this is defined.
It would be very interesting to see a statistical breakdown as to who doesn't have "Jew blood". It wouldn't surprise me to find that those professing to be such to have similar or less in their genetic makeup.
I'm adopted myself so, for all that I know, I'm part "Hymie" myself. "Oi vey!"
I was born and raised Jєωιѕн. Gotmittuns has accused me of being a Marrano on multiple occasions.
If so, and in writing "if" I'm merely allowing for innocent error, then that is regrettable to say the least; in that case, I'm sorry about that. You seem pretty Marian to me ma'am, and I've not seen any indication otherwise thus far.
I was baptized at sixteen years of age, but by heretics, and became Catholic when I was 21.
Question with a purpose, not to cause needless offense and in light of the topic, but does that make you a traitor and, if so, whom did you betray?
Regardless, I think all are blessed by your possible "treason"; either way, a long belated welcome to the "other" tribe to you ma'am.
As far as I know, most Jews consider me a traitor.The more "observant" they are, the more likely that is.
St. Pius X: "The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people. "It looks like Pope Pius X engaging in dialog with a Jew.
Theodore Herzl: "We are not asking for Jerusalem, but for Palestine—for only the secular land."St. Pius X: "We cannot be in favor of it."**********************************************************************************************************The Tribe: We financed you all the way from Wall Street. Now we expect your full cooperation in helping us fill up Palestine with you know who.
Hitler: Yes, yes, but of course. I am at your service.
It looks like Pope Pius X engaging in dialog with a Jew.If "non-possimus" counts as "dialog" for you, then that figures.
If "non-possimus" counts as "dialog" for you, then that figures.That is part of dialog sometimes. We explain the Catholic Faith to the unbeliever.
That is part of dialog sometimes. We explain the Catholic Faith to the unbeliever.If all talking is dialog, then why call it dialog?
If all talking is dialog, then why call it dialog?In the case of Pope St. Pius X, the hope is that the 'felon' would convert.
No p, when a Pope speaks like that, it isn't a coffee klatch, it's the Supreme Authority, knowing full well what he is, and how grave that is, telling a lesser and an enemy how it is.
You may as well call it "'dialog" when a felon meets a judge.
In the case of Pope St. Pius X, the hope is that the 'felon' would convert.In the case of the judge...
As far as I know, most Jews consider me a traitor.Why? I don't see anything you post to be consider "traitorous" to the Jєωιѕн agenda.
It looks like Pope Pius X engaging in dialog with a Jew.The vicar of Christ has no business "dialoging" with the devil.
Why? I don't see anything you post to be consider "traitorous" to the Jєωιѕн agenda.
Other than the fact you converted to Catholicism.
That would be more than enough.
And much of that has been highly judaized these days.
Thus far as I've seen, you think more Jew than she does, such as in holding that Catholicism can be Judaised. If you're going to pick on someone, why not try a not woman? Better yet, why don't you safety that thing and try it again with a little less assyness?
Why? I don't see anything you post to be consider "traitorous" to the Jєωιѕн agenda.For many (maybe most) Jews, just converting to Catholicism is enough to make me a traitor in their eyes. I am also anti-Zionist, express skepticism about the h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative, and acknowledge disproportionate influence by Jews in politics, media, etc. Any one of those things would be considered traitorous.
Other than the fact you converted to Catholicism.
And much of that has been highly judaized these days.
If you're going to pick on someone, why not try a not woman?
DZPlease wrote:Had I a wife around, and I weren't, I would hope for and expect the same ma'am, within proper and Catholic bounds of course.
Although it was not necessary for you to defend me, I have to say that seeing a man's chivalrous instincts makes me feel warm all over.
Thanks for making me feel good. :)
One of the best things about being an old fat woman with no sex appeal whatsoever (except to my husband, oddly enough) is that I get to express appreciation for men without it coming across as flirting. That is nice for me because I really like men.Which helps, because we tend to be a bit thick and need clear feedback.
That would be more than enough.Sure, if you're a Marrano.
Thus far as I've seen, you think more Jew than she does,So not sucking up to Jews and their minions is thinking "more" Jєωιѕн.
uch as in holding that Catholicism can be Judaised.You were saying?
If you're going to pick on someone, why not try a not woman?Hey look , I'm not "picking" on anyone, just answering the OP and making an observation of JK's replies. Why don't you mind you're own business and stick to the topic at hand instead of playing Internet Sir Galadouche. I know it's hard to stay on point for guys like you, but try and focus on the topic and the questions I asked in rebuttal there loverboy.
Better yet, why don't you safety that thing and try it again with a little less assyness?I can defintely see English isn't your first language there special"DK" and I'm not exactly a grammar nαzι myself, but can you at least put together a complete coherent sentence so someone might actually know what the hell you're trying to say?
Sure, if you're a Marrano.Your ratio is starting to make me seriously doubt CI's integrity, but it is more likely that you've taken up drinking antifreeze in the interim, or you're a hacker.
So not sucking up to Jews and their minions is thinking "more" Jєωιѕн.
Ok, try and explain that one away sharp guy.
You were saying?
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Hey look , I'm not "picking" on anyone, just answering the OP and making an observation of JK's replies. Why don't you mind you're own business and stick to the topic at hand instead of playing Internet Sir Galadouche. I know it's hard to stay on point for guys like you, but try and focus on the topic and the questions I asked in rebuttal there loverboy.
I can defintely see English isn't your first language there special"DK" and I'm not exactly a grammar nαzι myself, but can you at least put together a complete coherent sentence so someone might actually know what the hell you're trying to say?
How's that for "assyness" schmuckster?
Sure, if you're a Marrano.I am not sure what point you are making. Could you explain or rephrase this please?
I am not sure what point you are making. Could you explain or rephrase this please?Axes, as such, don't have points ma'am.
For many (maybe most) Jews, just converting to Catholicism is enough to make me a traitor in their eyes. I am also anti-Zionist, express skepticism about the h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative, and acknowledge disproportionate influence by Jews in politics, media, etc. Any one of those things would be considered traitorous.I don't know, from what I know, you will always be a "jew" to them, especially the orthodox. Were you born from a Jєωιѕн mother? to them you will always be a Jew, traitor or not.The thing with judaism, is, it is basically a racial religion, you know like the "nαzιs" they go kvetching about so much. At any rate, it's not so much to be just "anti-Zionist", that is very much a misdirect and the jews know it. Christ was not dealing with "zionists" as much as Jews themselves, he knew where their religion had gone and it was no longer spiritual as much as an ethnic and "specialness" with racial overtones. That's what he was condemning, on top of their hypocrisy, which is exactly what the jews of today are guilty of, being racists and hypocrites wrapped around their "religion".
I just want to make clear that I am not complaining about it. It has been a good thing because right from the beginning it has been obvious to me that I had to choose between Judaism and Christianity. There are groups around like "Jews for Jesus" and "Association of Hebrew Catholics" that try to tell people they can have both, so I am grateful that I didn't get confused by this and accept their Judaizing.
Axes, as such, don't have points ma'am.Alaric has some history with me years ago on another forum. There may be some justification for his apparent hostility toward me. I would rather focus on the content and ignore the tone.
Ugliness tends to lord, as is seen clearly here.
I am not sure what point you are making. Could you explain or rephrase this please?Jayne, I know, you know what a Marrano is. I'm not exactly saying you're one.
Alaric has some history with me years ago on another forum. There may be some justification for his apparent hostility toward me. I would rather focus on the content and ignore the tone.As "Jayne K", correct?
I don't know, from what I know, you will always be a "jew" to them, especially the orthodox. Were you born from a Jєωιѕн mother? to them you will always be a Jew, traitor or not.The thing with judaism, is, it is basically a racial religion, you know like the "nαzιs" they go kvetching about so much. At any rate, it's not so much to be just "anti-Zionist", that is very much a misdirect and the jews know it. Christ was not dealing with "zionists" as much as Jews themselves, he knew where their religion had gone and it was no longer spiritual as much as an ethnic and "specialness" with racial overtones. That's what he was condemning, on top of their hypocrisy, which is exactly what the jews of today are guilty of, being racists and hypocrites wrapped around their "religion".I would much rather be seen as a traditional Catholic than an anti-jew, so that works out very well.
At any rate, I don't see you "anti-jew" as much as a trad Cath from my vantage point, just saying.
And I've been reading your posts a long time.
As "Jayne K", correct?Yes.
I would much rather be seen as a traditional Catholic than an anti-jew, so that works out very well.Ma'am, Christ is Lord; if we dance to another tune, just who is kidding who?
:)
I think you are right about it being a racial and racist religion and that some Jews still see me as a Jew. But they have a lot of different opinions on this and it is hard to keep track of which branch of Judaism thinks what. I know that converts like me are not allowed to immigrate to Israel on the grounds that we are not really Jєωιѕн.
Jayne, I know, you know what a Marrano is. I'm not exactly saying you're one.I really found it difficult to follow (in part because of the way the quoting works on this forum). Rereading the last couple pages of the thread, I am wondering if you are saying that Jews would probably not think of me as a traitor, but assume that I am only pretending to be Catholic in order to harm the Church.
But you know where I'm going.
The Jews, all summed, are IRRELEVANT.I don't care about what Jews think of me. But I have to admit that it bothers me when Catholics accuse me of being a Marrano.
If you're Catholic then who, if you'll pardon, gives a shit what a bunch of Christ killing reprobati, or their like who think themselves their opposite, think?
I don't care about what Jews think of me. But I have to admit that it bothers me when Catholics accuse me of being a Marrano.While they may be Catholic, I don't see them doing so as such ma'am.
Either way, I trust that you now can and will take such abuse and nail it to the Cross.I know you are right but I still struggle with it.
As to your likely detractors, perhaps it would edify all for you to contemplate the Lord's prayer, in particularly the portion which pleads that He forgive us, AS WE FORGIVE OTHERS.
I know you are right but I still struggle with it.Ma'am, my poor grammar is to blame; I meant them forgiving you, if called for, for I've not seen you be even slightly obnoxious yet, and I'm its poster boy.
I can even see how people could have gotten that idea. I had spent around 30 years attending the Novus Ordo and even taken university religion courses before I discovered traditional Catholicism. When I first turned up on trad forums, my posts were heavily influenced by modernism. It is perfectly understandable that people would see modernist influence as Jєωιѕн influence considering how closely linked they are.
I am not angry at people who did that. There is probably more need for them to forgive me than for me to forgive them. I was a pretty obnoxious poster.
Maybe I still am, but I like to think I have improved. :)
I was born and raised Jєωιѕн. Gotmittuns has accused me of being a Marrano on multiple occasions.What makes a "Jew" a Jew is not some ethno-genetic racial context. That would just make you that. What makes a "Jew" is Judaism, or rather an organized naturalism that forsee's and denies the Reality of of Our Lord Jesus Christ, who is God and Man. If being against Judaism makes me an "αnтι-ѕємιтє", sign me up. Do I get one of those snazzy SS uniforms?
I was baptized at sixteen years of age, but by heretics, and became Catholic when I was 21.
Was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg a German traitor or Catholic hero ? (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/was-colonel-claus-von-stauffenberg-a-german-traitor-or-catholic-hero/msg577391/#msg577391)We're digressing. This is the last post, that stayed "on topic". :jester:
How about a Catholic traitor?
I really don't see how his attempted assassination and coup of the NS govt would've benefited the Church in anyway.
Yet his actions would help accelerate the eventual demise of the one nation that was fighting against Catholicism's enemies in Europe and abroad. Maybe he didn't see it that way, but , Hitler and Germany were indeed crushed within a year of his execution. But, was Germany better off afterwards? Was Europe any better when the anti-Christ commies took over half of it and the secualr humanists/masons took over the other half? Was the world really any better when the last real anti-Jєωιѕн/Bolshevek, anti/Masonic, antibankster/usury, etc resistance was crushed once and for all?
Tell us, has Germany or the world for that matter been a better place since the Jew-controlled Allies won that war?
Yea, take a good look around and tell me if von Stauffenberg could look himself in the mirror right now and tell himself he was ridding the wolrd of a "tyrant" and doing the right thing for his Germany and his Church.
Germany with Hitler;
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Germany since Hitler;
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The vicar of Christ has no business "dialoging" with the devil.In speaking with Herzl, Pope St. Pius wan not speaking with the devil. He was speaking with a man who was in error and in need of enlightenment.
What did the conversation with Jesus and Satan consist of other than telling him to get lost?
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I don't care about what Jews think of me. But I have to admit that it bothers me when Catholics accuse me of being a Marrano.It shows that those people's thinking is racial and in contradiction to the mandate of the Gospel.
What was to be expected, from the op's "innocent" poll this morphed into a failed attempt to discredit German Catholic bishops and has now turned out to be now an "anti-semitic" thread...You left out the attempts to discredit the popes who spoke of the Third Reich as oppressors of Catholics. And the attempts to discredit the bishops and priests who opposed the Reich as political dissidents who deserved what was done to them.
What is at issue is not Catholics vs "nαzιs". There were the German people and their nation Germany.As always, well said.
There were non-Catholics and many Catholics. They were all German citizens, and many of them supporters and members of the National Socialist movement which was a legitimate response to the injustice and degradation which was forced upon that nation.
No one else came to that unfortunate country's defense after WWI. We heard little if anything from the Vatican during that period. There was no encyclical or outcry against the great injustice at Versailles which was both dominated and demanded by an over repesented Jєωιѕн minority. There was no direction as to how German Catholics were to respond or live within the horrors and perversities of Wiemar Germany.
As I understand it, the Bishop who was most responsible for Mit Brenner had conflicted with the NS government, was himself a stong sympathiser with the Jews and saw their treatment as a violation against God's chosen people.
What has always puzzled me is why there was never any official Catholic response to the almost complete destruction of the European Catholic infrastucture by Allied bombing and shelling in many countries?
Nor were there any docuмents written against the completely immoral war aims and methods employed by the Allies. Huge numbers of Catholics in Germany's south were incinerated and suffered inhumane privations by continual attacks and bombing of civilian areas, and yet the Vatican came to the defense of a small and subversive minority in Germany rather than that of its own co-religionists. Were global politics involved at this point? Can there be any doubt?
Did Catholics in the west and the Allied services not deserve a similar encyclical warning them against the policies and tactics of their respective countries and services that were totally un-Catholic and even anti-Christian.
We're digressing. This is the last post, that stayed "on topic". :jester:This is so full of damage control propaganda it's pathetic. Hitler was on the payroll of the Masons? And your citing Stalinist docuмents as sources? :facepalm:
To respond to Alaric's comments: What did Col von Stauffenberg know about Hitler... and when did he know it?
In the Stalinist "Red Symphony" transcripts, we learned Hitler was funded by the Rothschild elites.
After national recovery, around 1938, when Hitler dared to print money, he became a "Bonapartist", a marked man, as they say.
WWII showed an incredible level of rabbinic sophistication in managing the "international show business".
FDR, Churchill, Stalin, Hitler were all on the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic payroll.
But it is hard to discern reality, when the yids are running the show?
So what did Colonel von Stauffenberg really know about the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic theater?
For example, there's a credible accusation that FDR was found dead in Georgia with a gunshot wound to the head.
The story was effectively covered-up, to claim he had a stroke.
But in the initial story, leaked, said it was a ѕυιcιdє. A closed room gunshot, meant it could as well have been an assassin.
(https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=ca43f1dc97&view=fimg&th=15fb279c08cd6292&attid=0.1&disp=emb&realattid=ii_15fb25527ef8d9c9&attbid=ANGjdJ-0iebhJyks1mQDcOKVKGjsH0N_Ie-xxF5rgPMQPLgvdPxgFbI25fez6DpDp80UmFzfR7-khXSzAzN05aj_k39TpLc6CxpprdOlez1atrdxBmsOQ2g9--BKzrU&sz=w600-h600&ats=1510528368686&rm=15fb279c08cd6292&zw&atsh=1)
FDR's closed casket covered-up the head shot
So, the warning that St. Maximilian Kolbe gave to the Freemasons was very accurate and relevant.
In the 1930's he wrote to tell them based on the Protocols, the jews would annihilate them when the time was right.
If Col. von Stauffenberg had succeeded, at least Germany could have sued for peace, instead of undergoing total destruction.
What was to be expected, from the op's "innocent" poll this morphed into a failed attempt to discredit German Catholic bishops and has now turned out to be now an "anti-semitic" thread...And to go along with that title.
"Woe is me."..
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Relevant pages: 51-54
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Samuel Roth.
What is at issue is not Catholics vs "nαzιs". There were the German people and their nation Germany.
There were non-Catholics and many Catholics. They were all German citizens, and many of them supporters and members of the National Socialist movement which was a legitimate response to the injustice and degradation which was forced upon that nation.
No one else came to that unfortunate country's defense after WWI. We heard little if anything from the Vatican during that period. There was no encyclical or outcry against the great injustice at Versailles which was both dominated and demanded by an over repesented Jєωιѕн minority. There was no direction as to how German Catholics were to respond or live within the horrors and perversities of Wiemar Germany.
As I understand it, the Bishop who was most responsible for Mit Brenner had conflicted with the NS government, was himself a stong sympathiser with the Jews and saw their treatment as a violation against God's chosen people.
What has always puzzled me is why there was never any official Catholic response to the almost complete destruction of the European Catholic infrastucture by Allied bombing and shelling in many countries?
Nor were there any docuмents written against the completely immoral war aims and methods employed by the Allies. Huge numbers of Catholics in Germany's south were incinerated and suffered inhumane privations by continual attacks and bombing of civilian areas, and yet the Vatican came to the defense of a small and subversive minority in Germany rather than that of its own co-religionists. Were global politics involved at this point? Can there be any doubt?
Did Catholics in the west and the Allied services not deserve a similar encyclical warning them against the policies and tactics of their respective countries and services that were totally un-Catholic and even anti-Christian.
Boy, that's a whole separate topic.The Church has always been political in the true sense of that word, meaning that she concerned Herself with matters of justice in the various worldly spheres of governance, economics, and social structure, so that these things might comport with the natural law and the model which was the ancient Hebrew society of the Old Testament.
Pope Pius XII's tenure was filled with ambiguities.
He knew the Germans and the communist threat better than anyone but was virtually silent on "Uncle Joe" rat Stalin.
Instead, he spent a lot of energy making fake passports for the jews and was given $1 million by Golda Meier afterwards.
And how about the Fatima Consecration, which he knew how to execute, but failed to do so?
And his handling of Montini after he was caught negotiating with the Russians and revealing where Catholic clerics were in the country.
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Yep, Pope Pacelli is whole separate, mega-topic.
I amazes me how Jews twist the topics in an attempt to follow an agenda. This thread has been seriously derailed.Ah well, that saves future wasted time.
JPAUL and LeDeg: Thank you for your spot on contribution to this subversive natured thread..
I amazes me how Jews twist the topics in an attempt to follow an agenda. This thread has been seriously derailed.It is really to be expected, that is their way, and for others, we must consider that the majority of folks have been poorly served by the "education" sytems and then culturally indoctrinated into the anti-Christ worldview.
This is so full of damage control propaganda it's pathetic. Hitler was on the payroll of the Masons? And your citing Stalinist docuмents as sources? :facepalm:
When I get the time, I will be happy to.
Yes, he was funded by "ʝʊdɛօ-masons".
Or do you think Hitler was a self-funded financial whiz?
After three rounds of post war hyper-inflation, Germany was on it's knees.
Here's a video of a highly organized and well funded nαzι party rally in Nuremberg: 1933 nαzι rally (https://youtu.be/4MaWSTPSA2k)
Who paid for these rallies ? Germany was far worse off financially than the US.
1933, the very same year Hitler came to power, FDR banned Jєωιѕн immigration into the US ? The timing was not a coincidence.
There was an ulterior motive, to funding of the nαzι's rise to power.
The zionist elite "theme" was to herd all the jews back into Palestine.
The jews really didn't want to go to that outback, but this Hitler accomplished, through selected persecutions and the war.
Here's a lecture on it: The "final solution" to Hitler (https://youtu.be/YDf4RYxD0Js)
Debunk it if you can :jester:
It is all in the record for those who are inclined to do some honest research on the subject.
Maybe this article for starters for anyone that may be interested...Yes, things like this. Thanks for providing an example.
Click title below...
How Hitler Defied the International Bankers (https://archive.org/stream/HowHitlerDefiedTheInternationalBankers/HowHitlerDefiedTheBankers_djvu.txt)
I would much rather be seen as a traditional Catholic than an anti-jew, so that works out very well.That is an interesting point, although I don't believe it is an absolute statement;
:)
I think you are right about it being a racial and racist religion and that some Jews still see me as a Jew. But they have a lot of different opinions on this and it is hard to keep track of which branch of Judaism thinks what. I know that converts like me are not allowed to immigrate to Israel on the grounds that we are not really Jєωιѕн.
We're digressing. This is the last post, that stayed "on topic". :jester:Germany was targeted for total anihilation either way, they openly defied the Jєωιѕн menace and were going to pay dearly in the end, no matter who was running the show at that point. To the Jew, you are only an animal anyway and all the "goyim" must be annihilated sooner or later anway. The тαℓмυdists (jews) have only recourse and that is "is it good for jews?".And quite frankly, no sovereign nation or independent people are ever "good for jews". Our mere existence is an anathema to them.
To respond to Alaric's comments: What did Col von Stauffenberg know about Hitler... and when did he know it?
In the Stalinist "Red Symphony" transcripts, we learned Hitler was funded by the Rothschild elites.
After national recovery, around 1938, when Hitler dared to print money, he became a "Bonapartist", a marked man, as they say.
WWII showed an incredible level of rabbinic sophistication in managing the "international show business".
FDR, Churchill, Stalin, Hitler were all on the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic payroll.
But it is hard to discern reality, when the yids are running the show?
So what did Colonel von Stauffenberg really know about the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic theater?
For example, there's a credible accusation that FDR was found dead in Georgia with a gunshot wound to the head.
The story was effectively covered-up, to claim he had a stroke.
But in the initial story, leaked, said it was a ѕυιcιdє. A closed room gunshot, meant it could as well have been an assassin.
(https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=ca43f1dc97&view=fimg&th=15fb279c08cd6292&attid=0.1&disp=emb&realattid=ii_15fb25527ef8d9c9&attbid=ANGjdJ-0iebhJyks1mQDcOKVKGjsH0N_Ie-xxF5rgPMQPLgvdPxgFbI25fez6DpDp80UmFzfR7-khXSzAzN05aj_k39TpLc6CxpprdOlez1atrdxBmsOQ2g9--BKzrU&sz=w600-h600&ats=1510528368686&rm=15fb279c08cd6292&zw&atsh=1)
FDR's closed casket covered-up the head shot
So, the warning that St. Maximilian Kolbe gave to the Freemasons was very accurate and relevant.
In the 1930's he wrote to tell them based on the Protocols, the jews would annihilate them when the time was right.
If Col. von Stauffenberg had succeeded, at least Germany could have sued for peace, instead of undergoing total destruction.
Great short presentation by Mr. Wise. As always, he nails it.Meh, I'm not buying Hitler was fighting a "christian" war at the time. Yes, he understood the cultural and historical significance of the Faith in Europe and from what I've read and he thought the pagan element in the NS party were more a less a bunch of kooks, but loyal to the party. But in the end, this was about Germany and the German people more than a crusade for the Church or Christianity in general. Bottom line was that he pinned the problem was the international "Jєωιѕн" problem and dealt with it accordingly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqs09Xjj4q0
That is an interesting point, although I don't believe it is an absolute statement;All four of my grandparents were Jєωιѕн. However converts are an exception. It quotes the clause in the Wikipedia article:
The Law of Return (Hebrew (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language): חֹוק הַשְׁבוּת, ḥok ha-shvūt) is an Israeli law, passed on 5 July 1950, which gives Jews (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F) theright to come (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return) and live in Israel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) and to gain Israeli citizenship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_nationality_law).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return#cite_note-1) In 1970, the right of entry and settlement was extended to people with one Jєωιѕн grandparent and a person who is married to a Jew, whether or not he or she is considered Jєωιѕн (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zera_Yisrael) under Orthodox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Judaism) interpretations of Halakha (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halakha).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return#cite_note-jpost-2)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return
Do you have at least one Jєωιѕн grandparent?
I think if he did fight this war more as a Christian vs the "jew" he might have been more successful in the end.The sad fact is that most Christian countries, those who had the most to lose from the Communist takeover of Europe and beyond, chose to side with the forces of anti-Christ, to their own detriment and to the wounding of the Church and the setting of the stage for the Jєωιѕн dominated future council.
Germany was targeted for total anihilation either way, they openly defied the Jєωιѕн menace and were going to pay dearly in the end, no matter who was running the show at that point. To the Jew, you are only an animal anyway and all the "goyim" must be annihilated sooner or later anway. The тαℓмυdists (jews) have only recourse and that is "is it good for jews?".And quite frankly, no sovereign nation or independent people are ever "good for jews". Our mere existence is an anathema to them.Nice recap!
The are similar to Islam with the exception that Islam expects the whole world to eventually submit to Allah, while the jew only accepts those part of his racial brethren. The rest of us are mere chattel or cannon fodder to be used at their whim.
They literally believe they're "gods" on earth.
All four of my grandparents were Jєωιѕн. However converts are an exception. It quotes the clause in the Wikipedia article:
The rights of a Jew under this Law and the rights of an oleh under the Nationality Law, 5712-1952***, as well as the rights of an oleh under any other enactment, are also vested in a child and a grandchild of a Jew, the spouse of a Jew, the spouse of a child of a Jew and the spouse of a grandchild of a Jew, except for a person who has been a Jew and has voluntarily changed his/her religion.[ (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return#cite_note-4)4] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return#cite_note-4)
Therefore, a Jew who has voluntarily changed his/her religion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F#Jews_who_have_practiced_another_religion) is not considered a Jew, and is not eligible to immigrate under the law of return, but would have been persecuted as a Jew under the Nuremberg laws, and is still a Jew according to Halakha.So let me get this straight. You're not considered a 'jew' in Israel if you converted to Christianity but you're still considered a jew by the rabbis and nαzιs. Even if these same nαzιs want to kill you because you're a jew, Israel still won't let you in the front gate to save your life.
So let me get this straight. You're not considered a 'jew' in Israel if you converted to Christianity but you're still considered a jew by the rabbis and nαzιs. Even if these same nαzιs want to kill you because you're a jew, Israel still won't let you in the front gate to save your life.Yep. That pretty much sums it up.
Nice.
And all these bible-thumpers and born-again nutjobs still believe Israel is God's chosen people/country and want to support them unto death. ::)
I think that Gottmituns (and the people who voted that Hitler was a great leader) have been mislead by the thought of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" to an inappropriate sympathy toward the Reich government. In spite of its opposition to some enemies of the Church, it was itself also our enemy.
Pius XI makes it very clear in Mit brenennder Sorge that this regime oppressed Catholics and was our enemy. Here is a similar account from Wikipedia:
Opposition to a regime such as this is understandable and justified. The Catholic resistance in Germany, in some ways, resembles that of the Christiada in Mexico. I'm wondering if those of you who see Colonel von Stauffenberg as a traitor would say the same of the Cristeros. If not, in what way are the situations different?
Jaynek,The Pope did more than condemn neo-paganism and the denial of religious freedom. He also condemned the whole notion of racism that was one of the foundations of the nαzι regime. He also condemned the abuse of the name of God that they used to justify their pagan ideology ; He said,
I don't think the statement you made in this post, which I bolded, is accurate. It seems as if most of the historians in the wikipedia article you cited actually disagree with your assessment of Mit Benennder Sorge.
"...basically the Pope had condemned neopaganism and the denial of religious freedom – no less and no more"[85] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mit_brennender_Sorge#cite_note-85)"
"Catholic h0Ɩ0cαųst scholar Michael Phayer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Phayer) concludes that the encyclical "condemned racism (but not Hitler or National Socialism, as some have erroneously asserted)".[86] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mit_brennender_Sorge#cite_note-86)"
I remember reading some of Hitler's Table Talks. My impression was that he was at times a Protestant, at times a Catholic, at times an Atheist/Pagan. My conclusion was that he was a politician, trying to keep his country united. I don't think Germany was Catholic anymore. I think it had become Catholic, Protestant and Atheist-Pagan, much like America seems to be today.
The Pope did more than condemn neo-paganism and the denial of religious freedom. He also condemned the whole notion of racism that was one of the foundations of the nαzι regime. He also condemned the abuse of the name of God that they used to justify their pagan ideology ; He said,
8. Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community - however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things - whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds.
and again
9. Beware, Venerable Brethren, of that growing abuse, in speech as in writing, of the name of God as though it were a meaningless label, to be affixed to any creation, more or less arbitrary, of human speculation. Use your influence on the Faithful, that they refuse to yield to this aberration. Our God is the Personal God, supernatural, omnipotent, infinitely perfect, one in the Trinity of Persons, tri-personal in the unity of divine essence, the Creator of all existence. Lord, King and ultimate Consummator of the history of the world, who will not, and cannot, tolerate a rival God by His side.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html (http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html)
Here, I'm rolling it out, with references:Much of this article makes use of the fraud Hermann Rauschning:
Hitler was brought into the occult and mentored by jew.
Link (http://www.traditioninaction.org/History/G_006_nαzιGnostic05.html)nαzιsm, a Gnostic-Manichean Sect - Part V
The Strange Personality of Adolf Hitler
Cunha Alvarenga
Much of this article makes use of the fraud Hermann Rauschning:
"Haenel was able to conclusively establish that Rausching's claim to have met with Hitler "more than a hundred times" is a lie. The two actually met only four times, and never alone. The words attributed to Hitler, he showed, were simply invented or lifted from many different sources, including writings by Juenger and Friedrich Nietzsche. An account of Hitler hearing voices, waking at night with convulsive shrieks and pointing in terror at an empty corner while shouting "There, there, in the corner!" was taken from a short story by French writer Guy de Maupassant."
source: https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p499_Weber.html
Germany was targeted for total anihilation either way, they openly defied the Jєωιѕн menace and were going to pay dearly in the end, no matter who was running the show at that point. To the Jew, you are only an animal anyway and all the "goyim" must be annihilated sooner or later anway. The тαℓмυdists (jews) have only recourse and that is "is it good for jews?".And quite frankly, no sovereign nation or independent people are ever "good for jews". Our mere existence is an anathema to them.They want us to exist, but in a position of total submission:
The are similar to Islam with the exception that Islam expects the whole world to eventually submit to Allah, while the jew only accepts those part of his racial brethren. The rest of us are mere chattel or cannon fodder to be used at their whim.
They literally believe they're "gods" on earth.
“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel,” he said during a public discussion of what kind of work non-Jews are allowed to perform on Shabbat.This parasite had the largest funeral in Israeli history.
"Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat," he said to some laughter.
https://www.jta.org/2010/10/18/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/sephardi-leader-yosef-non-jews-exist-to-serve-jews
Much of this article makes use of the fraud Hermann Rauschning:I yield to this source correction. Thanks for the post.
"Haenel was able to conclusively establish that Rausching's claim to have met with Hitler "more than a hundred times" is a lie. The two actually met only four times, and never alone. The words attributed to Hitler, he showed, were simply invented or lifted from many different sources, including writings by Juenger and Friedrich Nietzsche. An account of Hitler hearing voices, waking at night with convulsive shrieks and pointing in terror at an empty corner while shouting "There, there, in the corner!" was taken from a short story by French writer Guy de Maupassant."
source: https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p499_Weber.html
The “Good Germans”
So surreptitious was the German resistance movement, its ruinous influence may never have come to light but for a single incident. A bungled attempt to αssαssιnαtҽ Hitler on July 20, 1944, prompted an ongoing state investigation. This exposed the conspiracy to sabotage the German war effort. It led to the death by firing squad, ѕυιcιdє, or execution after trial of 160 plotters. The would-be assassin was Count Claus von Stauffenberg, chief of staff of the Reserve Army since July 1, 1944. There were approximately half a million soldiers, trained and fully equipped, awaiting transfer to the front. In charge of the Reserve Army was General Friedrich Fromm. To weaken the field formations, he contrived ways to delay the deployment of the ersatz troops under his administration. During the first month of fighting in Normandy for example, the Germans suffered 96,000 men killed, wounded or captured. Under Fromm’s direction, the western army received just 6,000 replacements and 17 new tanks.145 In July, battalions stationed in Holland for the purpose of replacing losses to infantry divisions fighting in Normandy were transferred to southern France instead.146
Stauffenberg represented Fromm at the Führer’s headquarters in Rastenburg during situation conferences. His job was to report on the progress of replenishing the combat divisions with reserve personnel. Stauffenberg understood his mission as the fabrication of plausible excuses for why only a fraction of the troops languishing in homeland garrisons were moving forward. An officer on Goebbels’s staff summarized the deceptive explanations Stauffenberg offered Hitler: “The air raids are responsible, he says. Then only the gas masks are lacking, next the NCOs still have some mandatory course, or a particular type of ammunition isn't available, or rather can't be delivered because of the destroyed transportation network, an arsenal suffered a direct hit where the rifle bolts for a whole regiment were stored. . . . Always at the last minute something gets in the way."147 Stauffenberg once told fellow plotters that their “allies” were Germany’s “military crises and defeats."148
Stauffenberg concealed in his brief case a time bomb, weapon of choice for terrorists worldwide, and smuggled it into the July 20 conference at Rastenburg. He prudently left the session before the explosion and boarded a courier plane for Berlin. The blast superficially injured Hitler but mortally wounded a stenographer and three officers. Several others among the 24 participants suffered injuries. Among those to die was Rudolf Schmundt; he had recently used his personal influence with the Führer to promote Stauffenberg’s lackluster career.149 Another victim was the staff officer Colonel Heinz Brandt, an opponent of National Socialism whom no one had forewarned of the day’s agenda.150
At the OKW offices on Bendler Street in Berlin, accomplices awaited news of Hitler’s demise to launch Wälkure, the coup to overthrow the National Socialist government. There among others were the pensioned General Ludwig Beck, ex-general Erich Hoepner, who had been dishonorably discharged from the army in 1942 for insubordination and cowardice, the retired Field Marshal Erwin von Witzleben, and General Friedrich Olbricht, who was Fromm’s subordinate (Based on the examination of captured German records, the U.S. State Department later established that Olbricht had leaked military secrets to the Red Orchestra via Gisevius).151 When Stauffenberg arrived, he told his colleagues that the
commander-in-chief did not survive the bombing. The plotters therefore set the revolt in motion. Back at Rastenburg, General Fellgiebel, who was privy to the planned assassination, did not contact the Berlin conspirators to warn them of its failure. Instead, he was among the first to congratulate Hitler on his narrow escape from death. Fellgiebel was able to briefly block communications between Rastenburg and the outside world, but could not indefinitely disrupt telephone service. Hitler reached Goebbels in the capital. He also spoke on the line with Major Ernst Remer, commander of the Berlin Watch Regiment. He ordered Remer to arrest the conspirators.
One reason for the coup’s rapid collapse was the lack of cooperation the usurpers received from the army. Signals personnel on the Bendler block monitored the Führer’s telephone conversation. Aware of the circuмstances, they did not transmit teletype orders formulated by the plotters to military units. Colonel Fritz Jäger, a member of Stauffenberg’s circle, visited several barracks to muster a company of riflemen to seize the radio station, the propaganda ministry, and to arrest Goebbels. He could not find a single soldier willing to carry out his orders.152 Stuipnagel and a handful of like-minded aristocrats supported the coup from their Paris headquarters. They managed to mobilize a battalion of German Security Regiment No. 1 to arrest members of the SD and the Gestapo, including the SS police
chief in Paris, Carl Oberg, in their office. Stulpnagel’s associates persuaded the battalion’s troops that the SD had rebelled against Hitler; only through this fiction did they gain the men’s cooperation. In Berlin, one of the teletype orders Witzleben drafted for the army falsely blamed “an unscrupulous clique of party leaders who are nowhere near the front” for the mutiny he himself helped instigate.153
According to an analysis by a contemporary German historian, “The plotters did not risk openly confessing that the coup was directed against Hitler, but argued instead to be acting supposedly in the name of the dead Führer against an 'unscrupulous clique.' They were themselves not certain in their own cause. They feared that most of the armed forces and the German people stood behind Hitler in their hearts and would therefore not obey them."154 Military members of the resistance movement had no connection with the rank-and-file of the armed forces. “They have nothing within them in common with the German soldier,” charged the Völkischer Beobachter on July 22. 155
Stauffenberg, for example, had never held a combat command. His army driver, Karl Schweizer, testified later that the count had maintained a generous supply of wine, champagne, schnapps, liqueurs and tobacco at both his Berlin residence and his duty office in the war ministry. Lieutenant Colonel Fritz von der Lancken had regularly procured these luxury items, unavailable to the front-line soldier or to the German public in the fifth year of war, for his fellow conspirator. Schweizer stated that he could scarcely remember a day when Stauffenberg did not consume alcohol.156 The count had also arranged for frequent deliveries to his address of smoked eel, oil sardines and other delicacies through administrative contacts with North Sea fisheries.157
The chief of the SD, Dr. Ernst Kaltenbrunner, prepared a series of confidential reports for the Reich’s Chancery analyzing the motives of the plotters. After the war, the former resistance member Friedrich Georgi judged the reports to be “absolutely sober and factual, if not of course one-sided."158 Regarding Stauffenberg, Kaltenbrunner concluded in his September 23, 1944 report that the count and his circle of aristocrats “pursued not only political objectives but social ones, namely to reinstate and maintain the privileged position of a select, socially-connected group of persons."159
Major Remer wrote of July 20, “The presumed death of Adolf Hitler left all the officers and also the troops in a state of shock. Never in my life, even after the collapse (in 1945), have I witnessed such profound sorrow." 160 In his post-war autobiography, Günther Adam, a veteran of the SS Hohenstaufen division which was deployed in France that July, included his own recollection: “That evening, after a day of combat, some young army officers come to us in our command post and tell us that there was an attempt on the life of the Führer that had failed. They said that senior army commanders had been involved. They ask in complete sincerity if they can join us, since they are too ashamed now to be officers of the army."161 In the opinion of Rolf Hinze, a veteran of the 19th Panzer Division, the assassination attempt came “at the most unfavorable time imaginable, at a time when unified, firm leadership was essential. The troops felt this way regardless of their diverse ideological viewpoints, even among those who inwardly rejected Hitler. Everywhere we heard the expression, ’stab in the back', and were relieved that the Führer’s central authority remained intact."162 The Führer’s adjutant, Colonel Nicolaus von Below, stated, “In as much as the senior generals had lost that unswerving confidence in Hitler, in the same measure the ordinary soldier trusted in his leadership. I have no doubt that only this fact held the front together."163
Right after the assassination attempt, signals personnel at Rastenburg discovered Fellgiebel’s secret telephone line to Switzerland that had served to communicate military intelligence to Soviet agents. The Gestapo questioned staff officers, some of whom were already on the watch list, making arrests when suspicion of subversive activity surfaced. Colonel Below told the Führer of word received from his cousin: Since the round-up began, his army corps on the eastern front was finally receiving supplies at consistent and timely intervals.164
Discovery of the sabotage “totally depressed” Hitler, Goebbels told an associate.165 The Führer’s personal security officer, Hans Rattenhuber, said this to Giesler: “The betrayal of the fighting front hit him harder than the attempt on his life. He just repeated to us that he has long reckoned with being shot at by someone in this reactionary clique. But something this underhanded he never would have expected from an officer, certainly not this shabby betrayal of the soldier who risks his life every day for Germany."166 In the past, Hitler had not acted on warnings from NSDAP subordinates about the general staff's disloyalty. A military liaison officer in the propaganda ministry, Colonel Hans Martin, recalled that Goebbels claimed to “possess a great amount of irrefutable evidence that a defeatist attitude among many officers of the OKW, especially in the OKH, is assuming serious proportions." 167 The Führer nonetheless shielded them from attacks by Goebbels and Himmler. The officers had sworn an oath of fealty to him, and “he firmly believed in their code of loyalty and honor,” wrote another Goebbels aid, Wilfred von Oven.168 Addressing the Rastenburg staff on July 24, Jodl told how whenever suspicions had surfaced about particular officers, Hitler had “laughed it off good-naturedly... as with the case of General Fellgiebel, who had already brought attention to himself through some of his remarks."169
The Führer expressed bitterness over the affair to his staff: “I took over the old officer corps just as it was, preserved its traditions, and respected them,” he said. “I advanced the officers' careers and their economic status whenever I could. I recognized their achievements and rewarded them. I promoted and decorated them. Each of them who reported to me I shook hands with as a comrade. And now every officer up to general who comes to me I have to have searched in a vestibule first, in case he’s bringing in some killing device like this Count Stauffenberg, who had nothing better to do than sneak a bomb under my conference table to rid the world of me and his own comrades."170 The German public reacted to news of the assassination attempt “with horror and loathing,” the former Gauleiter Rudolf Jordan recorded in his autobiography. “In the evening I addressed the population outdoors in the cathedral square in Magdeburg. The whole town took part in this demonstration of loyalty, with deep emotion. It seemed to me that in view of the fateful, life-or-death situation of the war, the people stood behind Adolf Hitler as one.” The Lutheran bishop of Hannover, who was personally unsympathetic to National Socialism, publicly condemned Stauffenberg’s “criminal scheme."171
At Carlshof hospital, Hitler visited officers who had been seriously injured in the July 20 bombing. He offered General Karl Bodenschatz an analysis of the murder plot: “I know that Stauffenberg, Goerdeler, and Witzleben thought through my death to rescue the German nation. . . . But these people really had no fixed plan of what to do next. They had no idea which army would support their coup, which military district would help them. First of all, they had not established contact with the enemy. I've even found out that the enemy refused their offer to negotiate."172 Hitler’s information was accurate. In April 1941, the Reich’s Foreign Office assigned Hans Buwert to manage France’s Hachette Publishing House. In late 1942 the Berlin police chief, Count Heinrich Helldorf, and a general staff officer, Count Heinrich Dohna-Tolksdorf, brought him into Stulpnagel’s circle. Buwert met with Allied representatives during a trip to Spain and Portugal. “Contact with the Allies turned out badly,” he wrote later.173 In the summer of 1940, the Churchill cabinet had adopted the policy of “absolute silence” toward the German resistance.174 Even before the war, the British Foreign Office had cautioned against such an alliance. In November 1938, Undersecretary Sargent had warned in a memo, “An open and capable military dictatorship could be even more dangerous than the NS regime."175 The subversives encountered another obstacle with respect to the United States. At the Casablanca conference in January 1943, Roosevelt publicly announced that the Allies will accept nothing less than the Reich’s unconditional surrender. What this portended for Germany, FDR’s private notes from December 1944 reveal: “Whatever measures may be taken against Japan and Germany, they must in any case include the reduction of their industrial output, to prevent them from competing on the world markets against the English, French, Dutch, Belgians, and other exporters, and against us as well.” U.S. General Albert Wedemeyer wrote, “The western Allies made not the slightest attempt to divide the Germans by promising the enemies of the Hitler regime acceptable peace terms."176 The Allies' attitude was no secret to members of the resistance movement. Count Ulrich Schwerin von Schwanefeld, a staff officer and determined advocate of Hitler’s murder, continued his intrigues even though acknowledging that FDR will not mollify surrender conditions.177 Just two days before Stauffenberg bombed Hitler’s situation conference, the conspirator Otto John returned from fruitless negotiations with Allied representatives in Madrid. He informed his fellow plotters than even were the Führer dead, unconditional surrender is still in force.178 He ultimately acknowledged that “the internal German resistance against Hitler was no longer a factor of significance for the political and military strategy of the western powers... in contrast to the resistance in France, which was nurtured by the western powers morally and with all kinds of materiel."179
The staff officer Tresckow, who described Hitler as “a mad dog that has to be put down,” also realized that the demise of his commander-in-chief would have no influence on the Allies' war effort.180 Dr. Eugen Gerstenmaier, a former conspirator and president of the West German parliament after the war, stated in a 1975 interview, “What we in the German resistance during the war didn't really want to see, we learned in full measure afterward; that this war was ultimately not waged against Hitler, but against Germany."181
Right after Stauffenberg’s botched assassination attempt, British radio stations for Europe broadcast the names of Germans known to the English to be conspiring against Hitler.182 This enabled the Gestapo to round up the subversives more quickly. A BBC editorial dismissed the coup as a product of Prussia’s military caste, the very stratum which the Anglo-Saxons are waging war to eradicate. The German people, the BBC continued, would be deceiving themselves to entrust their leadership to such people. Fritz Hesse, a specialist on English affairs in the German Foreign Office, monitored the Allied reaction and ventured, “Not much further and the English and American radios would have congratulated Hitler on his survival.” The Führer, shocked at the hostility manifest in some Allied news coverage, remarked to Ribbentrop, “These people hate Germany even more than they do me." 183
On July 25, John Wheeler-Bennett, a British historian assisting the Foreign Office in London, submitted a memorandum on the consequences of the recent events at Rastenburg: “It may now be said with some definiteness that we are better off with things as they are than if the plot of July 20 had succeeded and Hitler had been αssαssιnαtҽd. . . . The Gestapo and the SS have done us an appreciable service in removing a selection of those who would undoubtedly have posed as 'good' Germans after the war. . . . It is to our advantage therefore that the purge should continue, since the killing of Germans by Germans will save us from future embarrassment of many kinds."184 Churchill, Eden, and the Foreign Office staff accepted Wheeler-Bennett’s viewpoint.185 An in-house analysis prepared by the OSS also regarded Hitler’s escape as a blessing, explaining that it robbed the conspiring German generals of the opportunity to dump the blame for losing the war on him alone.186 One German general who clearly understood the Allies' outlook was Walter von Brauchitsch, commander of the army until December 1941. In April 1940, Halder had presented him with a written proposal to overthrow Hitler and reach a settlement with the West. Brauchitsch rebuked him with the words, “What’s going on here is pure treason. . . . In wartime this is unthinkable for a soldier. This battle isn't about governments
anyway, but a battle of diametrical ways of life. So getting rid of Hitler will serve no purpose." 187
A Contrast of Motives
In July 1944, the armed forces journal Offiziere des Führers (Officers of the Führer) published an essay by Walter Gross of the Racial Policy Office. It presented the usual argument that bloodlines contribute more to a person’s intrinsic characteristics and qualities of leadership than academics and material circuмstances. With respect to the military, Gross added this: “On the Führer’s orders, the officer’s career became open to every German man without consideration of social origin and education. Some expressed misgivings. They saw this as the intrusion of a radical socialist principle, and a danger to the accomplishments and bearing of the officer corps. Dozens of times I've encountered objections to this National Socialist innovation; objections from those who point to the lofty, inherent value of a leadership class cultivated over generations of selecting the best from soldiers' and officers' families.” Gross parried this protest with the observation that any traditional, exclusive system stifles the development of unexplored human resources within the nation: “Beyond such socially elevated families, there also rests within a people thousands upon thousands of individuals of comparable aptitude, submerged in the broad masses. They possess the same value to the community and are capable of accomplishing just as much in a particular field as the best of the old, cultivated families. . . .Wherever people with similar and equally precious qualities lie undiscovered, then it is possible and indeed necessary to find them, and place them in communal life. With the right training, they can achieve the utmost they're capable of. . . . The standard for determining whether the inherent prerequisites are present or are lacking, is one and the same for both groups; it lies exclusively in accomplishing the task at hand."188
When Hitler reinstated national defense before the war, the men occupying positions of command had entered service during the time of the old army. Many senior officers displayed little imagination or adaptability to warfare’s innovations such as armor, aviation, and elastic defense. Their shortcomings became especially apparent in the campaign against Soviet Russia. Some generals lacked the boldness, initiative, and raw nerve to outthink, outmaneuver, and outfight such an imposing military goliath and were dismissed. Replacing them were often men from ordinary backgrounds. Hitler himself stated in January 1944, “More than 60 percent of the new officer corps rose through the ranks, creating a bridge to the hundreds of thousands of workers, farmers and members of the lesser middle class."189
Though deprived of imperial privilege, the scions of Germany’s distinguished families retained their ancestral honors, and found the same path of opportunity open to them as to all of their countrymen. Most men of their younger generation dutifully entered frontline service during World War II, doing credit to their traditional standing. The inveterate conservatives and reactionaries among the aristocracy gravitated to the diplomatic corps and to the general staff, where they could inflict maximum damage to the German cause at minimal risk. Solitary and aloof, the resistance movement allied itself with the only group capable of destroying the social revolution that had transformed Germany: the enemy. To topple a form of government, the subversives accepted the enemy’s war aims, with all the consequences for their own country.
Yeah, but it doesn't seem like The Pope considered Germany the enemy of the Catholic Church, from that docuмent, even though he was critical of their atheism-paganism. I mean, many modern europeans and americans make a god out of the universe; it seems like atheists-pagans in Germany made one out of their ethnic group. You gotta fill the void with something. It seems to me that religion is the most precious thing to a man, but to an atheist, well... something materialistic would have to take its place.When the Pope speaks he doesn't speak to just one group or people. He speaks to all of us. The truths contained in Mit Brennender Sorge are as true today as they were when he first wrote it.
As I understand it, since Germany was Nationalistic and not Internationalistic, their outlook was not so intensely at odds with The Natural Order, as International Socialism (communism) was. So, they weren't as much of a threat to The Church, since The Church is charged with the defense of The Natural Order, since Christ "is" The Order.
The truths contained in Mit Brennender Sorge are as true today as they were when he first wrote it.In your opinion. He was in league with enemies of the Church, namely Freemasons.
In your opinion. He was in league with enemies of the Church, namely Freemasons.Who?
When the Pope speaks he doesn't speak to just one group or people. He speaks to all of us. The truths contained in Mit Brennender Sorge are as true today as they were when he first wrote it.
But what about when the Pope doesn't speak?
For example, about "Uncle Joe" Stalin as the cryto-jews, FDR and Churchill dubbed him.
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When the pope doesn't speak-out about the advance of тαℓмυdic-communism,
Or speak-out against the (40 million) mass murders and Gulag death camps?
He was silent to the world, and especially the faithful, who needed to know that, communism is:
anti-God, anti-Family and anti-Property.
And right after his papacy, Rome's policy of Silence in Vatican II became the rule.
When the Pope speaks he doesn't speak to just one group or people. He speaks to all of us. The truths contained in Mit Brennender Sorge are as true today as they were when he first wrote it.
from Hitler's Revolution by Richard Tedor (https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-revolution-Richard-Tedor/dp/0988368226/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1513564279&sr=8-1&keywords=hitler%27s+revolution). I learned about this book from an interview with Germar Rudolf. The author depicts Stauffenberg and typical members of the German resistance as being motivated more by resentment against Hitler for, in their eyes, diminishing the status of the nobility of Germany than for lofty Christian principles. It's long, but it's a good read.
But what about when the Pope doesn't speak?The Holy Father doesn't have to speak on everything. Some peoples malevolence speaks for themselves.
For example, about "Uncle Joe" Stalin as the cryto-jews, FDR and Churchill dubbed him.
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When the pope doesn't speak-out about the advance of тαℓмυdic-communism,
Or speak-out against the (40 million) mass murders and Gulag death camps?
He was silent to the world, and especially the faithful, who needed to know that, communism is:
anti-God, anti-Family and anti-Property.
And right after his papacy, Rome's policy of Silence in Vatican II became the rule.
The Holy Father doesn't have to speak on everything. Some peoples malevolence speaks for themselves.Like the post VII church itself. Or the Allies that the Church aligned itself with. There was no malice on anything of the NSDAP that you can cite as I've asked in the past, just whining about political subversives that we're imprisoned who happened to be Catholic.
The Holy Father doesn't have to speak on everything. Some peoples malevolence speaks for themselves.I don't so much agree.
Damn right he did.
He knew who "Uncle Joe" really was and communism's threat to the Church.
Damn right he did.Where is this 'Uncle Joe' today?
Where is this 'Uncle Joe' today?Merry Christmas Poche.