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Pope Pius IX sent President Jefferson Davis a handmade crown of thorns.

They say Pope Pius IX's blessing was something to be feared. Strange how one man can have such a connection to both physical (America) and spiritual Babylon (End Times Apostate Church).

Pope Pius IX sent President Jefferson Davis a handmade crown of thorns.

I am sure it was not a machine made one at that time!

What are you implying, that Pius IX meant by this gesture to officially state the Catholic Church thought the South was in the right?

They say Pope Pius IX's blessing was something to be feared.

Who is "they"? Something to be feared, in what way?

Strange how one man can have such a connection to both physical (America) and spiritual Babylon (End Times Apostate Church).

A "connection" is created by a communication? St. Isaac Jogues had a "connection" with savages, what does that mean to you?

Where are you coming up with all this stuff?

patman, me thinks he is trying to fit , somehow, his thesis for Old Catholicism into this....

the South was far more in line with Catholic thought-though not perfect nor CSO by an means-then the North, with its puritanism, centralization,dirty factories and history of violence against the Fide......

most Catholics then thought that way, exempting Orestes Brownson of course......looking back, they were right....

Did the south attack and commit violence against Catholics, like happened in the North? no, not that I am aware of
The South was more decentralized, with smaller famrs nad businesses, more in line with subsidiarity then much of the north, esp in New England and parts of NY, NJ and PA.
Teh South had a lot less of that Puritan mindset in N-E and elsewehre against subsidiarity and Catholics..
Catholics normally were treated much better and not attacked nor molested near as much.
The North, when invading the South, committed atrocities that South did not-more adhering to Just War (Lee punished and threatened to any one that committed the outrages that Sherman and his buddies encouraged)
The Nroth when invading attacked and burned Catholic houses of worship, none of this happened that I have heard in MD nor PA...
The Confederate cabinet and state govts had active participation, that was not welcomed in much of the north.
Davis was close to becoming Catholic, talked out of it-sadly-by his family, but always was very open to Catholics, his daughters were sent to and hidden in Catholic

a few things to start looking at is The South is Right and there is a book out there about a Irish Catholic priest that was active in the South, I think Angelus press sells it.....

let me clarify, though, that neither the CSA, nor the USA were Catholic states as they should be, but the South had I think much more possibilities and still abdied by more Catholic residual, like subsidiarity, then the Puritan dominated north...also, the vacant seat has been vacant since 1865, I am a SV when it comes to the CSA......now too dominated by dundies, but at one time, fertile soil me thinks for conversion!

Pray for the reign of Christ the King and the CSO!!

Belloc, are you talking about Fr. Price?

Also, I have been looking for a good, objective and TRUTHFUL book about what happened during the cινιℓ ωαr and it's aftermath.  Do you have any suggestions, since you seem to know about this.

Belloc, are you talking about Fr. Price?

Also, I have been looking for a good, objective and TRUTHFUL book about what happened during the cινιℓ ωαr and it's aftermath.  Do you have any suggestions, since you seem to know about this.

The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government by Jefferson Davis is must read. If you can't read this book, get some book that has actual quotes from Jefferson -- every word from his mouth gets right to the heart of things.

Read biographies on Jefferson Davis, even when the biographer is obviously biased against him, anyone with a brain will see through it.

Patman, your last post displays only a limited understanding of the issues surrounding the War of Northern Aggression. The ultimate intention of Davis and other Southern leaders was to eventually eradicate slavery - but not immediately as the Negroes had to first be prepared to enter into civilization. Immediate abolition was disastrous for both the white and negroid race. By outlawing the slave trade, the death of slavery was inevitable. Davis's own plantation at Briarfield was an example of the methods of integration that he would have put into practice to prepare the negroes for society (Davis' slaves had their own hierarchy, they had their own courts, they were disciplined by other negroes, Davis gave medical attention to each one, educated them, etc, etc -- after the war, one of his slaves, when asked what he thought about Davis said that "I loved him, and I'm sure that every other slave that he ever owned would say the same thing".) During and post war, many Negroes were pro-South and anti-North, but a few generations, the brainwashing of Yankees has corrupted the minds of the Negroes and the Whites.

The north did not want slavery to go away...they were the original slave traders.

Once again:

Read biographies of Jefferson Davis and Davis' own book.

Will do, Vlad, and thanks!

There was one biography I was think of in particular, but I forget the author. I will try to find it again as soon as possible. It was particularly good because the author was very unbiased by modern standards, although sometimes, just a little bit of prejudice sneek in against Davis. Jefferson Davis was very eloquent by the way...he has a very moving style of writing and is a master of rhetoric.