Author Topic: WANTED Parce Domine CHANT organ accomp WITH VERSES (Read 2166 times)

Matthew · « **on:** March 12, 2017, 04:45:06 PM »

First of all, I'm looking for the Gregorian Chant version of this song -- not any other melody or version.

I have the organ accompaniment for the "Parce Domine, parce populo tuo, ne in aeternum irascaris nobis." refrain.

By organ accompaniment, I mean "modern notation" rather than Gregorian chant (square note) notation. Some organists can play accompaniment right from the chant notation, but my 11 year old organist can't do that, at least not yet. It requires special training.

The song also has verses, and those verses have a beautiful melody. I'd like for the organist to be able to accompany that as well.

Can anyone help? Google was no help on this one.

Getting organ accompaniment for Traditional catholic hymns, especially the Gregorian chant, is really hit and miss.

cathman7 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 12, 2017, 05:44:38 PM »

I think I have this. I'll send a scan.

cathman7 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 12, 2017, 05:48:21 PM »

Here it is...

It is actually from a Gregorian chant book from 1951 titled Cantuale Romano-Seraphicuм.

Hopefully this will help.

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** March 12, 2017, 07:14:14 PM »

Quote from: obscurus

Here it is...

It is actually from a Gregorian chant book from 1951 titled Cantuale Romano-Seraphicuм.

Hopefully this will help.

That's great for singing along, but I actually need the "modern notation". I made a note in my original post to clarify this.

Thanks anyhow though.

cathman7 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 12, 2017, 07:17:33 PM »

Ah...mea culpa.

cathman7 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 12, 2017, 08:29:11 PM »

I've been trying to find all of the verses for you, Matthew, but to no avail. The only thing I can think of is to have someone convert all of the verses into modern notation.

AMDGJMJ · « **Reply #6 on:** March 12, 2017, 08:37:07 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

First of all, I'm looking for the Gregorian Chant version of this song -- not any other melody or version.

I have the organ accompaniment for the "Parce Domine, parce populo tuo, ne in aeternum irascaris nobis." refrain.

By organ accompaniment, I mean "modern notation" rather than Gregorian chant (square note) notation. Some organists can play accompaniment right from the chant notation, but my 11 year old organist can't do that, at least not yet. It requires special training.

The song also has verses, and those verses have a beautiful melody. I'd like for the organist to be able to accompany that as well.

Can anyone help? Google was no help on this one.

Getting organ accompaniment for Traditional catholic hymns, especially the Gregorian chant, is really hit and miss.

Usually what we do is have the organ join us for the refrain and sing the verses a capella..

I have yet to find any any modern notation organ version of the Parce Domine Verses...

cathman7 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 13, 2017, 03:43:24 AM »

Would this work? Nevermind, the verses are still in Gregorian chant notation....

Ladislaus · « **Reply #8 on:** March 13, 2017, 08:31:58 AM »

As with most Chant, the Parce Domine is only properly rendered without accompaniment.

[will probably open can of worms, but I'm a purist who thinks that instrumental accompaniment destroys chant ... but is just a tolerated necessary evil due to poor performance and/or poor accoustics]

confederate catholic · « **Reply #9 on:** March 13, 2017, 12:10:00 PM »

(shiver) and don't get me started on polyphonic music.

seriously you should stick to no organ for the verses, organ is death to chant, (with my former benedictine training I can not even sing with it, it
throws me off everytime.)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #10 on:** March 13, 2017, 12:29:47 PM »

Quote from: confederate catholic

(shiver) and don't get me started on polyphonic music.

seriously you should stick to no organ for the verses, organ is death to chant, (with my former benedictine training I can not even sing with it, it
throws me off everytime.)

Yes, especially with some of the modern chords they throw at the chant.

AMDGJMJ · « **Reply #11 on:** March 13, 2017, 07:03:04 PM »

Quote from: confederate catholic

(shiver) and don't get me started on polyphonic music.

seriously you should stick to no organ for the verses, organ is death to chant, (with my former benedictine training I can not even sing with it, it
throws me off everytime.)

It is not bad if you have a really good organist who plays like a medieval monk... :wink:

I know at our chapel that Father prefers that we have an organ accompaniment for almost everything except during Holy Week when it is not allowed. I definitely prefer a capella for polyphony, but if you get the coordination right, singing with a quiet organ accompaniment in the background actually can work as a bit of a filler and can be nice. It is just hard to find that perfect balance...

It is sort of like chant in general... If everyone does not sing together it can sound just plain awful. Yet, when everyone sings together well, it becomes heavenly! :-)

Motorede · « **Reply #12 on:** March 13, 2017, 08:38:07 PM »

I,too,prefer chant sans accompaniment--but truth be told, I'm so tired of hearing MassVIII (Of the Angels) that when it has organ accompaniment I "transform" and really love it.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #13 on:** March 14, 2017, 11:38:13 AM »

Quote from: AMDGJMJ

Quote from: confederate catholic
(shiver) and don't get me started on polyphonic music.

seriously you should stick to no organ for the verses, organ is death to chant, (with my former benedictine training I can not even sing with it, it
throws me off everytime.)

It is not bad if you have a really good organist who plays like a medieval monk... :wink:

I know at our chapel that Father prefers that we have an organ accompaniment for almost everything except during Holy Week when it is not allowed. I definitely prefer a capella for polyphony, but if you get the coordination right, singing with a quiet organ accompaniment in the background actually can work as a bit of a filler and can be nice. It is just hard to find that perfect balance...

It is sort of like chant in general... If everyone does not sing together it can sound just plain awful. Yet, when everyone sings together well, it becomes heavenly! :-)

If you HAVE to have accompaniment, accompanying with fifths (chords) is the best.

AMDGJMJ · « **Reply #14 on:** March 14, 2017, 01:58:54 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: AMDGJMJ
Quote from: confederate catholic
(shiver) and don't get me started on polyphonic music.

seriously you should stick to no organ for the verses, organ is death to chant, (with my former benedictine training I can not even sing with it, it
throws me off everytime.)

It is not bad if you have a really good organist who plays like a medieval monk... :wink:

I know at our chapel that Father prefers that we have an organ accompaniment for almost everything except during Holy Week when it is not allowed. I definitely prefer a capella for polyphony, but if you get the coordination right, singing with a quiet organ accompaniment in the background actually can work as a bit of a filler and can be nice. It is just hard to find that perfect balance...

It is sort of like chant in general... If everyone does not sing together it can sound just plain awful. Yet, when everyone sings together well, it becomes heavenly! :-)

If you HAVE to have accompaniment, accompanying with fifths (chords) is the best.

Actually, I really like the fifth chords, and already use them a lot whenever I play the organ (which isn't much). :-)