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Offline stevusmagnus

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Vox's Lamenting Over Fish Eaters Deleting Themselves
« on: March 01, 2009, 05:42:02 PM »
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  • Sounds like she's talking about Quis througout....

    http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/apologia/vpost?id=3336107

    Quis and I totally agree about the nauseating finger-pointing, the upping of personal preferences/choices and aesthetic tastes to the level of "Catholic dogma," the unwillingness to concede a point or lose an argument with grace because of ego, the way people sometimes twist another's words -- or just totally ignore them because they have no logical response. And now there are out and out character assassinations going on (elsewhere mostly since a few bans) -- malicious calumny, lies.
     
    And nevermind the way the "traditionalist movement" seems to somehow attract some people with definite -- er, quirks-in-the-disturbingly-mentally-imbalanced-sense -- and I should know from "mentally imbalanced" -- ha! But there's "having issues and knowing you do," and "being quirky," etc., on the one hand -- and, e.g., being schizotypal and thinking you're normal and that others are evil/wrong all the time, not knowing how your oddities are viewed and, so, not knowing or caring how to present yourself without turning others off (and, therefore, turning people away from traditionalism!!!!!), not knowing/caring how that harms the "trad movement," and being illogical, engaging in ad hominems, or using an erroneous, imbalanced, or a totally imagined view of Catholic teaching in defense of your personal schtick, etc. It's sad to have to ban people like that (God bless and help them) when they let their problems color their posts, but, I think, it's necessary in order to protect "the movement" from being associated with that sort of "weirdness," so I've decided to become more "hardcore" about it (and I'm a person who tends to like -- and be -- weird and eccentric).


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    But I don't think there's anything in particular you or Quis can do about it.  First step is for those of us who get weary of the arguments to take a break for a bit.  No worries.

     
    I've taken breaks from this place myself, for the reasons you named and the ones I enumerated. I get it all too well. But I still hope Quis and I can deal properly with the problems posed by the people you and Cathalex have in mind so Cathalex (and you?) come back. I hate it when the cool people leave; it just makes it more probable that the malicious or sad people I spoke of above will outnumber those who have a clue. FE and the trad "movement" in general need the charitable, joyous (in the Christian sense), "normal" folks to be more outspoken. (Or, to paraphrase JFK, our first "Catholic President": Ask not what FE can do for you; ask what you can do for FE" LOL)

    In any case, I pray you two have a blessed, holy, and fruitful Lent!


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    Vox's Lamenting Over Fish Eaters Deleting Themselves
    « Reply #1 on: March 02, 2009, 08:25:27 AM »
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  • Hello Stevus,

    Sorry for your treatment at FE. I really enjoyed your posts there and I learned much. Your "banishment" from FE was the final straw and I too deleted my membership (immediately afterwards)  and I will spend my time at this fine forum and Clare's Ignis Ardens.

    FE is not a Traditional Catholic forum anymore and its memberships' promotion of the "New mass" and anti-Bp.Williamson rants etc is unacceptable and potentially dangerous for the inquisitive newbie.

    Blessed Lent, Stevus.


    Peter


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    Vox's Lamenting Over Fish Eaters Deleting Themselves
    « Reply #2 on: March 02, 2009, 12:50:47 PM »
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  • Pete,

    Thanks for the brave stand you took and your kind words. Trying to educate liberals posing as Trads there is fruitless, plus you are trying to educate forum owners who know it all and apparently know better than Our Lord as regards some private issues. What can you really do there?

    It is just as well you left and I appreciate you seeing the light. If they can ban a 3 year 5,000+ poster on a whim with no warning or explanation, you could go next in the same way.

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    Vox's Lamenting Over Fish Eaters Deleting Themselves
    « Reply #3 on: March 02, 2009, 10:19:49 PM »
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    FE is not a Traditional Catholic forum anymore and its memberships' promotion of the "New mass" and anti-Bp.Williamson rants etc is unacceptable and potentially dangerous for the inquisitive newbie.

    Peter


    We were all inquisitive newbies at one time. The first forum I ever visited (or was even aware that existed) was CAF. I thank God that there were a few real Catholics posting there when I began "lurking" on the so-called "Traditionalist" subforum; otherwise I would have thought that I was the one that was totally nuts. As part of my Lenten penance I have returned there a few times lately and I see that some of those real Trads are still there, slugging it out, and I bless them for it. I myself did not have the patience to be there arguing with a bunch of liberals and outright heretics with bad intentions. To those who do have that patience I take my hat off.

    My point is that someone new to tradition, in particular a young person not raised with it, might stumble upon some pseudo-traditionalist forum and if it weren't for the stalwarts there holding down the fort, they might get a profoundly wrong impression of what tradition entails. On the other hand, if they are exposed to at least one true voice they might be encouraged to explore further.
    St. Jude, who, disregarding the threats of the impious, courageously preached the doctrine of Christ,
    pray for us.