Wow - Thank you for that

Satis Cognitum is one of my favorite encyclicals

His Excellency Bishop Pivarunas has an Agnus Dei blessed by Pope Leo the XIII made from the Paschal candle.

The neat thing is the good Pope seems to be blessing US in our present times!! He had an idea of what was ahead. Hence the St. Michael prayers.

This is the voice of Pope Leo XIII chanting the Ave Maria.

I have a Liber Usualis, and this particular arrangement of notes is not found.
I wonder what it is? There are only two notes, an interval of a minor third apart.
He starts on an F below middle C with "Ave Maria," then at "gra-," drops down to
a D, etc.

The syllables that get the D are only "gra-," "Benedi-," the first sound of "et" (et
gets the D and then the F) "Sanc-" "o-" "nunc" and "-men."
That comes to a total of 9 syllables with the D, and exactly 61 syllables with the F.

This was recorded the year he died, 1903.

What would it sound like for a choir to sing the Ave Maria like this?
I must say, it would be rather challenging to get everyone to follow the phrasing
and emphasis that Pope Leo uses. It seems so simple, but I think it would be quite
difficult. It could be a short hymn used for Offertory or Communion, or on special
occasions like a baptism or wedding, at various places.



I can't think of a time in the year when the priest sings the Ave Maria by himself,
therefore I'm at a loss as to know what the setting was for Pope Leo XIII to have
done so. Does anyone know on what occasion it was for him to do this, when it
was recorded??



The Offertory for Dec. 8th, Immaculate Conception, has the first part of the
Ave, up to "in mulieribus," then has "alleluja." That's less than half of it!

The Offertory for the Common of the Blessed Virgin Mary has the first part
up to "ventris tui" omitting "Jesus" and ending with Alleluja in paschal time.

Same for the Annunciation feast day, March 25th.

The Offertory for Rorate Coeli (in Advent) has the same, without Alleluja.

Salve sancte parens No. 2 has it in two places, one of them for after Pentecost.

Nowhere can I find or recall a place where the priest sings (that would be a High
Mass?) the Ave Maria in its entirety. Even for the Prayers after Low Mass (the
Leonine Prayers, named after this same Pope, who instituted them -- not part of
Mass), the priest speaks, not sings, the first half of the Ave three times, and the
people and servers together reply with the second half: spoken, never sung.

I am absolutely sure I have never heard any pope, cardinal, bishop or priest ever
chant the Ave Maria alone, at any time, at any place, in my lifetime, whether
using this composition of melody or any other composition. What was the
occasion for Pope Leo XIII to do this? Who can answer this question?

Horribly weak pope. He should have excommunicated "Archbishop" Ireland of St. Paul, "Cardinal" Gibbons, Keane, etc.

Those indiduals were unfortunately americanist heretics.

What is an americanist heretic?

Someone who believes:
-the U.S. Consititution with its seperation of church and state of lack of monarchy is on par with a catholic monarchy. The freemasonic U.S. consititution is an inferior form of government. (Condemend by Pius IX syllabus of errors)

-Someone who believes in the protestant temperance movement. A lot of these americanist bishops were openly in favor of the temperance movement in order to appease their protestant neighbors. Catholic teaching says alcohol use among adults in small quantities is acceptable and even preferable in certain social situaitons...i.e. weddings.

-That catholic children can go to public schools. It was during Leo XIII's ponitificate that american catholic children started going to public schools. This was encouraged by the wicked americanist "bishops" like Ireland and "Cardinal" Gibbons. It infuritated the traditional conservative german bishops in the midewest, who wrote to Rome. Public schools have been condemned by multiple popes: Leo XIII, Pius X, Pius XI, etc. Let me provide a few quotes.

Holy Office 1875
Those parents who allow their children to frequent schools where it is impossible to avoid the loss of souls… according to Catholic moral teaching, such parents, should they persist in their attitude, cannot receive absolution in the Sacrament of Penance.

Editae Sapae Piux X 1910
Obviously the need of this Christian instruction is accentuated by the decline of our times and morals. It is even more demanded by the existence of those public schools, lacking all religion, where everything holy is ridiculed and scorned. There both teachers' lips and students' ears are inclined to godlessness. We are referring to those schools which are unjustly called neutral or lay. In reality, they are nothing more than the stronghold of the powers of darkness. You have already, Venerable Brethren, fearlessly condemned this new trick of mocking liberty especially in those countries where the rights of religion and the family have been disgracefully ignored and the voice of nature (which demands respect for the faith and innocence of youth) has been stifled. Firmly resolved to spare no effort in remedying this evil caused by those who expect others to obey them (although they refuse to obey the Supreme Master of all things themselves), We have recommended that schools of Christian doctrine be erected in those cities where it is possible. Thanks to your efforts, this work has already made good progress. It is, however, very much to be desired that this work spread even more widely, with many such religious schools established everywhere and teachers of sound doctrine and good morals provided.

charles1etc., you're accusing Leo XIII, but it's your argument that is "horribly weak."

Let me offer a word of friendly advice: this kind of contemptuous and unsupported
attitude is not welcome here. So if you want to stick around, I suggest you might
consider cleaning up your act.

Well said. Although  you'll probably get an irrational, nasty reply.

charles1etc., you're accusing Leo XIII, but it's your argument that is "horribly weak."

Let me offer a word of friendly advice: this kind of contemptuous and unsupported
attitude is not welcome here. So if you want to stick around, I suggest you might
consider cleaning up your act.

are you aware of the americanist heresy issue, and some of the individuals involved?

Quote from: charles1ofAustria

Quote from: Neil Obstat

charles1etc., you're accusing Leo XIII, but it's your argument that is "horribly weak."

Let me offer a word of friendly advice: this kind of contemptuous and unsupported
attitude is not welcome here. So if you want to stick around, I suggest you might
consider cleaning up your act.

are you aware of the americanist heresy issue, and some of the individuals involved?

are you aware of the us constitution and what it does not contain?

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What is an americanist heretic?

Someone who believes:
-the U.S. Consititution with its seperation of church and state of lack of monarchy is on par with a catholic monarchy. The freemasonic U.S. consititution is an inferior form of government. (Condemend by Pius IX syllabus of errors)

Yes sir I do. Im aware that the US constitution allows all religions, even satanism to be practiced.

Condemned, Pope Pius IX Syllabus of errors.

US constitution also involves the enlightenment ideals of the "rights of man" instead of the rights of God.


This should have been articulated to the average laymen as more and more irish, italians, germans were coming over at the turn of the century. Unfortunatley it wasn't.

V2 religious liberty was an invetieable consequence of this.