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Offline 2Vermont

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« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2015, 03:50:14 PM »
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    Question?  Can we not take this to the point of DUI?  NO, because it is not measured, or can not be measured.  But if I had a loved one, and was in a car accident and the other driver had his or her marijuana I would certainly have something to say about the use of marijuana and time to measure before driving behind the wheel.  We do have breath tests.  Maybe one day.  


    I hear you 100%.  In fact, my co-worker and I were talking about the fact that you can't accurately test for marijuana use in a DUI case.  Apparently, marijuana can be detected as far out as a week, IIRC.  Obviously I wouldn't want someone to get arrested for a DUI if they weren't truly under the influence at the time of the accident.
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    « Reply #31 on: January 25, 2015, 05:28:39 PM »
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     Actually it is true.    

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    A new report from the British Lung Foundation (BLF) claims there is an alarming disconnect between the public perception of cannabis as a relatively safe drug, and the serious, even fatal impact it can have on the lungs of people who smoke it.


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    "Young people in particular are smoking cannabis unaware that, for instance, each cannabis cigarette they smoke increases their chances of developing lung cancer by as much as an entire packet of 20 tobacco cigarettes."


    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/cannabis-one-joint-equivalent-to-smoking-20-cigarettes-7819756.html


    Your link does not work.  But I suspect it just follows along the politically correct line that anything other than what a government approves of is not acceptable.

    However, I think that debating the health aspects is useless.  We could go back and forth for months each side citing study after study.  I do believe that if health was our only consideration for what we put in our bodies that we could not eat or drink anything that was not organic and free of any and all chemicals compounds used in modern processing.  Nor would we take any modern medications because they all have dangerous side-effects.  Heck, we shouldn't even breath our "air" if health was the only concern, it's full of harmful pollutants.

    My point is that marijuana has medical uses that are valid and useful and those who choose to use it should not be prevented from doing so.

    Marsha



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    Marijuana: Catholic Resonse?
    « Reply #32 on: January 25, 2015, 07:21:01 PM »
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     Actually it is true.    

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    A new report from the British Lung Foundation (BLF) claims there is an alarming disconnect between the public perception of cannabis as a relatively safe drug, and the serious, even fatal impact it can have on the lungs of people who smoke it.


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    "Young people in particular are smoking cannabis unaware that, for instance, each cannabis cigarette they smoke increases their chances of developing lung cancer by as much as an entire packet of 20 tobacco cigarettes."


    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/cannabis-one-joint-equivalent-to-smoking-20-cigarettes-7819756.html


    Your link does not work.  But I suspect it just follows along the politically correct line that anything other than what a government approves of is not acceptable.

    However, I think that debating the health aspects is useless.  We could go back and forth for months each side citing study after study.  I do believe that if health was our only consideration for what we put in our bodies that we could not eat or drink anything that was not organic and free of any and all chemicals compounds used in modern processing.  Nor would we take any modern medications because they all have dangerous side-effects.  Heck, we shouldn't even breath our "air" if health was the only concern, it's full of harmful pollutants.

    My point is that marijuana has medical uses that are valid and useful and those who choose to use it should not be prevented from doing so.

    Marsha



    Thank you for a great post Marsha. The fact that addicts also use it does not negate the health benefits for others.
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    « Reply #33 on: February 19, 2015, 08:21:49 PM »
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    « Reply #34 on: February 19, 2015, 08:54:24 PM »
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  • Why would any Catholic first partake of the Body of Christ, walk out and a few minutes, a few hours, or the next day put poison chemicals into their body?  Call it cigarettes, cigars, pipe tobacco, or marijuana?  What is God's name is happening with us?  Even protesTants call the human body the temple of the Holy Ghost.  Why do we treat it as anything else?  

    Yea, my body, I can do with it as I please... and everything in moderation, blah, blah, blah.   It is not our body, but the Blessed Lords as He created it did He not?  Interesting that some Traditional Catholics want to be black and white with it comes to doctrine, but loosey goosey with it comes to behavior and bringing into subjection their body and what goes into it.  Hence, the Church is in the toilet.

    The entire movement to legalize MJ is a big fat hoax on a number of fronts, but we don't even need to get to that point if we begin to treat our bodies as they were meant to be treated.  


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    « Reply #35 on: February 19, 2015, 09:05:36 PM »
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    Question?  Can we not take this to the point of DUI?  NO, because it is not measured, or can not be measured.  But if I had a loved one, and was in a car accident and the other driver had his or her marijuana I would certainly have something to say about the use of marijuana and time to measure before driving behind the wheel.  We do have breath tests.  Maybe one day.  


    Interesting point. I only ever tried it once and found it altered my vision. What I knew to be a certain distance away appeared to be further away, according to my distorted vision.

    Even more interesting, even scandalous, is that the supply came by the agency of a NO priest.

    I am not opposed to the medical use of marijuana any more than I am opposed to the medical use of morphine.

    I am totally opposed to the "recreational" use - that is a misnomer to say the least. My experience with the people who use is similar to BTNYC. It's pretty obvious by their behaviour and conduct that they are brain-damaged, almost without exception. Small doses count. I only shared one joint with 5 others - stupid me!
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    « Reply #36 on: February 19, 2015, 09:47:51 PM »
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    Why would any Catholic first partake of the Body of Christ, walk out and a few minutes, a few hours, or the next day put poison chemicals into their body?  Call it cigarettes, cigars, pipe tobacco, or marijuana?  What is God's name is happening with us?  Even protesTants call the human body the temple of the Holy Ghost.  Why do we treat it as anything else?  

    Yea, my body, I can do with it as I please... and everything in moderation, blah, blah, blah.   It is not our body, but the Blessed Lords as He created it did He not?  Interesting that some Traditional Catholics want to be black and white with it comes to doctrine, but loosey goosey with it comes to behavior and bringing into subjection their body and what goes into it.  Hence, the Church is in the toilet.

    The entire movement to legalize MJ is a big fat hoax on a number of fronts, but we don't even need to get to that point if we begin to treat our bodies as they were meant to be treated.  


    1---Have you ever been 'high' on MJ?? :confused1:

    2--- can you produce a Church Authority that condemns ingestion of MJ?( even for recreational  purposes)  

    My understanding is that there are 3 Popes who have condemned ingestion of tobacco-- 2 of them to the point of ex-comm....
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    « Reply #37 on: February 19, 2015, 09:55:17 PM »
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  • I have yet to see an argument that tobacco can even be used for medical purposes.  :thinking:
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    « Reply #38 on: February 19, 2015, 10:57:07 PM »
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    « Reply #39 on: February 20, 2015, 01:06:40 AM »
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    I have yet to see an argument that tobacco can even be used for medical purposes.  :thinking:


    You'll find them if you look hard enough. Try doing a websearch for "medical uses for tobacco".
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    « Reply #40 on: February 22, 2015, 04:08:23 PM »
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    Marijuana compound may slow, halt progression of Alzheimer's

    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/08/28/marijuana-compound-may-slow-halt-progression-alzheimer/

    Neuroscientists found that extremely low doses of a compound found in marijuana may slow or halt the progression of Alzheimer’s disease.

    A study published in the Journal of Alzheimer’s Disease reported that neuroscientists using a cellular model of Alzheimer's found low doses of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) reduced the production of amyloid beta, and prevented abnormal accuмulation, which is one of the early signs of the memory-loss disease.

    “Decreased levels of amyloid beta means less aggregation, which may protect against the progression of Alzheimer’s disease. Since THC is a natural and relatively safe amyloid inhibitor, THC or its analogs may help us develop an effective treatment in the future,” said lead author Chuanhai Cao, a neuroscientist and PhD at the Byrd Alzheimer’s Institute and the University of South Florida College of Pharmacy.

    Neuroscientists also found THC enhanced mitochondrial function which is needed to supply energy, transmit signals and maintain a healthy brain.

    “THC is known to be a potent antioxidant with neuroprotective properties, but this is the first report that the compound directly affects Alzheimer’s pathology by decreasing amyloid beta levels, inhibiting its aggregation, and enhancing mitochondrial function,” Cao said.

    The research noted that the therapeutic benefits of THC at low doses appear greater than the associated risks of toxicity and memory impairment.  

    “Are we advocating that people use illicit drugs to prevent the disease? No,” study co-author Neel Nabar said. “However, these findings may lead to the development of related compounds that are safe, legal, and useful in the treatment of Alzheimer’s disease.”

    As many as 5 million Americans suffer from Alzheimer’s disease, with the numbers projected to reach 14 million by 2050, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).


    I can assure you that medical marijuana did not help halt my mothers Alzheimer's disease nor did it increase her appetite nor did it help her anxiety.  However, when I requested the Dr.s discontinue such medication, her appetite improved as did her ability to stay awake while I visit her.

    It is really strange to me why, all of a sudden, THC is a miracle drug.  Of all the family members I have who have consumed large quantities of cannabis throughout their lives, not a single one of them has amounted to a single thing, other than a prisoner in jail, divorced, or a patient in a mental hospital.  And those that have smoked such with their own children, have children with the same outcomes.




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    « Reply #41 on: February 25, 2015, 04:19:12 PM »
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    Why would any Catholic first partake of the Body of Christ, walk out and a few minutes, a few hours, or the next day put poison chemicals into their body?    


    Interesting point. Why would anyone receive the Holy Eucharist and then put poisons (such as gm food, fluoridated water, artificial sweeteners, anti-biotic-laden poultry, hormone-laden meat, mercury-laden seafood, or pharmeceuticals) into their body?

    Oh, but you are speaking here of a green plant made by God, which has been used for centuries as a medicinal herb. And you are picking out this and calling it a poison?

    As previous posters have pointed out, the medical use of this herb is well-docuмented.

    Also, most often the low-THC varieties with a higher level of CBD is what is most commonly used to replace dangerous pharmceuticals.
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