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Offline Binechi

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Vatimir Putin has it Right
« on: June 10, 2013, 11:04:43 AM »
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  • On February 4th, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:


    "In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Shari‘a Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that's the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell 'discrimination'. We better learn from the ѕυιcιdєs of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.

    The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a standing ovation for five minutes.


    Offline Rosarium

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    « Reply #1 on: June 10, 2013, 11:19:09 AM »
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  • But, the situation is a little more complex. "Russia" is not a small homogeneous country. It covers a large area and does include areas which are not Russian in majority.

    Using his logic, either being under the Russian government means that one forfeit's one's culture, language, religion, and identity to take on a Russian and Russian Schismatic identity, or that in Chechnya, where Russians are the minority, Russians should be as Chechens in language, culture, and religion.

    One should be careful of speaking of "minorities".

    And any "ѕυιcιdє" of America does not seem to involve minorities, but greedy politicians and lack of morals. There are localized problems with various minorities in America at best. The main problem would be the influence of grossly immoral people who have caught a population who is largely indifferent off guard.

    In some EU nations, from what I read anyway, he does have a very good point on what not to do with immigration policies.

    I would not read too much into mass political support for Putin...their political system is a little different than most.



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    Vatimir Putin has it Right
    « Reply #2 on: June 10, 2013, 11:32:35 AM »
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  • Quote from: Director
    On February 4th, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:


    "In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Shari‘a Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that's the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell 'discrimination'. We better learn from the ѕυιcιdєs of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.

    The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a standing ovation for five minutes.


    I'm really beginning to like this guy, and to seriously consider immigrating to Russia.  I'm already in the process of learning the language, I appreciate that the gender roles are much more traditional there.

    Offline ggreg

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    « Reply #3 on: June 10, 2013, 12:10:10 PM »
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  • Quote from: JohnGrey
    Quote from: Director
    On February 4th, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:


    "In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Shari‘a Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that's the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell 'discrimination'. We better learn from the ѕυιcιdєs of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.

    The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a standing ovation for five minutes.


    I'm really beginning to like this guy, and to seriously consider immigrating to Russia.  I'm already in the process of learning the language, I appreciate that the gender roles are much more traditional there.


    You mean emigrate.  How exactly would you emigrate to Russia?

    Even if you marry a Russian women it is FAR from simple to get permanent residency and a passport.  You will be forever crossing the border to renew your visa, pay bribes, fill in forms in triplicate and have them stamped by a public notary etc.  Unless you are Gerard Depardeau it is FAR from easy.

    I've lived in Russia, it is no picnic.  That is why Russians, typically, will do what they can to get out of the place.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 10, 2013, 01:44:56 PM »
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  • And you also get the added benefit that Russian culture condones men having mistresses.  What a great country!


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    « Reply #5 on: June 10, 2013, 03:18:34 PM »
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    You mean emigrate.


    No, I mean immigrate.  You immigrate to a place.  You emigrate from a place.  In this case, I would be emigrating from the United States and immigrating to Russia.

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    How exactly would you immigrate to Russia?

    Even if you marry a Russian women it is FAR from simple to get permanent residency and a passport.  You will be forever crossing the border to renew your visa, pay bribes, fill in forms in triplicate and have them stamped by a public notary etc.  Unless you are Gerard Depardeau it is FAR from easy.

    I've lived in Russia, it is no picnic.  That is why Russians, typically, will do what they can to get out of the place.


    You really should work for their tourism bureau.  While I would consider immigrating, given enough incentive, I'm also aware, at least anecdotally, about the difficulties of living and working in Russia, and the rampant governmental corruption.  And when I say that I appreciate the more traditional gender roles, I'm not speaking of finding a mate.  I'm simply saying that for whatever faults Russian culture has, it does not appear to promote men thinking and acting like women, or women thinking and acting like men.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 10, 2013, 04:00:28 PM »
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  • Neither does Sub-Saharan Africa.

    I suggest you take a long holiday to Russia and see if you don't change your mind.

    Russia has a very high divorce rate, rampant alcoholism, and a bunch of other deep societal problems.  Life expectancy for men is in the mid 50s. There is nothing resembling justice, due-process, a jury of your peers, in the courts.  Property rights are shaky.  I lived there for two years and visit the place once or twice a year.

    Once you fall foul of a powerful Russian enemy, might be an ex-boss, a client, a neighbour, who has police connections, or better contacts to bribe local politicians or judges you can basically kiss goodbye to any chance of getting a just outcome.  It's down to connections and money.  The justice part is pure theatre.

    If you start a business like an restaurant or an electrical supply company and it does well, then one day out of the blue you will get a visit from the tax police telling you that you owe $1m in taxes.  It does not matter whether you do or not since there is no viable way to appeal their decision and the tax law is so complex that you won't be able to prove you complied with it.

    If you raise a public objection you will be badly beaten.  If you object again they will probably kill you or find some other way to destroy you like planting illegal drugs in your car.  Russians simply submit or find an bigger protector to protect them.  Think Italian Mafia but the whole state operating like that.

    It works, but it is pretty random and there is a lot of collateral damage compared to the legal system.

    The tax police don't want the million dollars, they simply want to own your restaurant.  They may pay you some small amount of money, to make it look official, but more likely they will simply make you sign the papers to say they paid you.

    There will be no "justice for John" campaign to get you out of jail if you fight them and are framed.  The locals will think you are a stupid innostranitz (foreigner) for moving to Russia and getting yourself in a mess, when you could have remained in a nice rich safe country like Canada.  They will wonder how you could have been so stupid.

    Remember, nearly all the people who care about justice and truth where killed under Stalin or terrified under 70 years of communism.  The people left alive were overwhelmingly snivelling cowards who are fearful of authority and will support any strongman who can keep the place functioning and sausages affordable.  The current generation are the offspring of those cowards that survived it will take several generations for them to be politically brave again.

    Putin could turn into Joseph Stalin tomorrow and 99.5% would go along to get along because that is what the parents and grandparents who bought them up did.

    All the Russians I know who made it to Canada prefer Canada.  For all its problems Canada is a better country.

    Suffice it to say if you cannot make a success of Canada, Russia will very  probably eat you alive.  You have to be a real maverick and prepared to take short-cuts to make it over there.  You have to grease palms, be corrupt, bribe officials.

    But the women are very beautiful and many are desperate to find a man to look after them.  That I will grant you.

    However, you will have great difficulty finding a Russian women that wants more than two children.  3 children is a LARGE family.  4 is "crazy" and 5 or 6 that I have is considered completely insane despite the fact that I am wealthy and live in the UK, Russians still think my wife is completely mad to risk her health with so many children.

    Socially 99% of people, even religious people, will have and know people with 1 or 2 children.  That is true of the Catholics in the few Catholic Churches too.  The only large families you will find is old believers and Orthodox believers living in the deep countryside.  There are no Catholics there though.  The Catholics are in large cities and that means they all living in 600-800 sqft apartments.  The Soviets did not build anything larger than that because nobody who lived in cities had more than 2 children.

    Offline Kreuzritter1945

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    « Reply #7 on: June 10, 2013, 04:20:26 PM »
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  • Quote from: Zeitun
    And you also get the added benefit that Russian culture condones men having mistresses.  What a great country!


    Unlike the United States where no one ever does that..


    Offline Sigismund

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    « Reply #8 on: June 10, 2013, 07:20:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: Director
    On February 4th, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:


    "In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Shari‘a Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that's the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell 'discrimination'. We better learn from the ѕυιcιdєs of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.

    The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a standing ovation for five minutes.


    I am sure Mr. Putin includes Catholic minorities under this rubric.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #9 on: June 10, 2013, 09:42:33 PM »
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    « Reply #10 on: June 10, 2013, 09:44:31 PM »
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  • I made a typo in my previous post.  The word is propaganda.
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    « Reply #11 on: June 10, 2013, 10:23:55 PM »
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  • Putin is getting a divorce, or at least is separated from his wife. Otherwise I admire a lot of what he says.

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    « Reply #12 on: June 11, 2013, 09:31:22 PM »
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    « Reply #13 on: June 12, 2013, 06:52:14 AM »
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  • Quote from: Zeitun
    And you also get the added benefit that Russian culture condones men having mistresses.  What a great country!


    Modern western European culture condones sleeping with a different woman/man as often as possible. I imagine it's the same in Russia today, but I'm just saying...

    Offline Emitte Lucem Tuam

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    « Reply #14 on: July 17, 2014, 05:52:48 PM »
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  • Hmm...after the missile shoot down of Malaysian Flight 17, obviously by Russian backed (and Russian approved) Ukranian separatists (with Americans killed, as reported) how are we, as Roman Catholics,  viewing Vladimir Putin now in light of this thread?