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Offline Anthony Benedict

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Vatican: Scalfaris Interview Was Not Recorded?!?!?!?
« on: October 06, 2013, 11:59:31 PM »
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  • http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Blog/2623/vatican_confirms_scalfari_interview_was_an_afterthefact_reconstruction.aspx#.UlI9Bazn9jr

     
     
       

    The CWR Blog
     

    Vatican confirms Scalfari interview was “an after-the-fact reconstruction”

    Questions raised about the accuracy of the text published in La Repubblica

    October 05, 2013 03:22 EST

    By Catherine Harmon


     





    After days of speculation about the trustworthiness of the interview between Pope Francis and Eugenio Scalfari published in La Repubblica earlier this week, the Vatican has confirmed that Scalfari “did not tape his interview with Pope Francis, nor did he take notes, so the text was an after-the-fact reconstruction.”

    The day after the interview’s publication, Vatican reporter Andrea Tornielli questioned some of its details, in particular an anecdote reportedly told by Pope Francis about a mystical experience after his election as pontiff but before his acceptance of the office. Scalfari quotes the Holy Father as saying, “Before I accepted I asked if I could spend a few minutes in the room next to the one with the balcony overlooking the square.” Tornielli reports that not only is there no such room off the balcony overlooking St. Peter’s Square, but that several cardinal electors told him that Francis did not retire before his acceptance. Tornielli concluded that the interview was “not an exact word-for-word reconstruction of dialogue with Scalfari.”

    Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York told the National Catholic Reporter’s John Allen that Cardinal Bergoglio “never left the Sistine Chapel before accepting.”

    Allen reports that Vatican spokesman Father Thomas Rosica issued a statement via email today in which he states that the Scalfari interview risked “either missing some key details or conflating various moments or events recounted during the oral interview,” as Scalfari “did not tape his interview with Pope Francis, nor did he take notes, so the text was an after-the-fact reconstruction.”
    Earlier this week, Father Federico Lombardi, director of the Vatican Press Office, emphasized to reporters that Pope Francis’ interview with Scalfari “is not a magisterial docuмent.” While he cautioned against over-interpreting the Holy Father’s “conversational” and “colloquial” statements, he did not indicate that there was anything substantively inaccurate in the text published by La Repubblica.  
     


    Offline St Magnus

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    Vatican: Scalfaris Interview Was Not Recorded?!?!?!?
    « Reply #1 on: October 07, 2013, 12:33:18 AM »
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  • one excuse after another

    I'm not sure most in the Curia would note heresy if they heard it.


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    Vatican: Scalfaris Interview Was Not Recorded?!?!?!?
    « Reply #2 on: October 07, 2013, 12:36:42 AM »
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  • Really? That's what they're going with — the reporter relied on memory and wasn't professional? Wow.

    Quote from: The Vatican
    Well hey, just Frank being Frank, shooting the bull with the local atheist incompetent reporter. Pay those jokers no mind.


    And I quote! Because why not?! I'm "interpreting" what the Vatican said in this post-modern reporting era where accurate quotes are so 2-0-1-2!

     :dancing-banana:

    I won't ask how many will buy it. They'll lap it up.
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    Offline Mithrandylan

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    Vatican: Scalfaris Interview Was Not Recorded?!?!?!?
    « Reply #3 on: October 07, 2013, 01:11:34 AM »
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  • Nonsense.  The interviewer gave Francis the interview to look over.  They say "it is not clear how closely Francis reviewed it."  Really?  By my count, there is not a single response he gave in that interview that DOESN'T contain error.  He wouldn't have to look closely at all to find something wrong with it, he'd only have read a snippet.

    It's untenable to hold that the entire world's media is hosting an heretical interview by Francis that is also a mistranslation.  If it's a mistranslation, it's not JUST a mistranslation, it's a wild lie-- there's not just a word here or there that is 'problematic,' there is error, heresy and blasphemy EVERYWHERE.  The Vatican has issued NOTHING to mitigate that.  
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

    Offline Mama ChaCha

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    Vatican: Scalfaris Interview Was Not Recorded?!?!?!?
    « Reply #4 on: October 07, 2013, 02:16:06 AM »
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  • Of course Pope Francis spews heresy every time he opens his mouth!!
    If he didn't, there wouldn't be an army of (questionable) theologians and apologists grasping at straws to try to make his heresies align with doctrine...
    For noob catholics, it's bad. They're going to be so confused about what is heretical and what isn't, they'll be going around repeating what he says and paving their road to hell being none the wiser.

    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."


    Offline Capt McQuigg

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    « Reply #5 on: October 07, 2013, 01:40:19 PM »
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  • I wonder how much money it took to get that atheist to agree to destroy his recording?  Not trying to be cynical or coy here but - gosh, ain't it all a little too convenient?

    I have noticed among the novus ordite echo chambers that the apologists just ain't touching Pope Francis' "I don't believe in a Catholic God" statement because it really can't be explained away because the only person who would accidentally make such a statement would be a person who truly thinks in paganistic terms.  

    However, now that the reporter is saying he went off memory - well then - we all see now that it was that rascally reporters fault.  

    How many days has it been since that interview was reported in the media?

    Offline Marlelar

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    « Reply #6 on: October 07, 2013, 02:10:07 PM »
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  • No interviewer fails to take notes or record an interview.  I don't believe it.

    Marsha

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    Vatican: Scalfaris Interview Was Not Recorded?!?!?!?
    « Reply #7 on: October 07, 2013, 02:18:34 PM »
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  • Yeah, even Charles Coulombe joked about the senile 89-year old interviewer.
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    Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.  - Aristotle


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    « Reply #8 on: October 07, 2013, 02:46:30 PM »
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  • The article linked in the OP doesn't even address the "There is no Catholic God" statement and, from my point of view, that one is "The Big One"!  
     

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    « Reply #9 on: October 07, 2013, 02:53:50 PM »
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  • On the website, there's a commentor named Brandon who said the following:

    "OK, so there were no written notes or tape recording of the interview. Big deal. The Vatican, maybe even the pope himself, was given the transcripts afterwards to review before publication. If the Vatican or pope did not disagree with any of the transcripts, then it's safe to assume all of the pope's comments were his. In any regard, the whole thing is sloppy, and something the pope should not be participating in, if it leads to confusion among the faithful, not to mention people outside the church."

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    « Reply #10 on: October 07, 2013, 03:15:55 PM »
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  • If anyone believes this, I've got a bridge to sell ya.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


    Offline Capt McQuigg

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    « Reply #11 on: October 07, 2013, 03:28:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: 2Vermont
    If anyone believes this, I've got a bridge to sell ya.


    You are correct but in the novus ordo media & apologist echo chamber, it will become common folklore that some atheist pulled the wool over humble and holy Frank's eyes.  Five years from now, the common response to someone who brings this up will be a rolling of eyes and the adjoining statement "He mentioned the old canard about Pope Francis saying there was no Catholic god and that has been conceded as a fraud by even the original reporter of the article."  


    Offline magdalena

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    Vatican: Scalfaris Interview Was Not Recorded?!?!?!?
    « Reply #12 on: October 07, 2013, 07:54:19 PM »
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  • Perhaps the Vatican is worried about having a runaway train on their hands.  
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42

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    « Reply #13 on: October 07, 2013, 10:24:10 PM »
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  • love that song:

    runaway train never going back
    WRONG WAY on a ONE-WAY TRACK
    seems like we should be get ting somewhere
    somehow we're neither here nor thay-air

    Seems fitting  :laugh1:
    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

    +JMJ

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    Vatican: Scalfaris Interview Was Not Recorded?!?!?!?
    « Reply #14 on: October 07, 2013, 11:10:38 PM »
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  • From MGM, to be release next Spring....

    "A Day at the Vatican"