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Offline Pelly

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« on: April 28, 2013, 11:16:18 AM »
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  • I found this today on Amazon.
    It claims stuff that the Vatican is searching for aliens and claiming that the Vatican is looking for an alien Messiah. They claim that they got entrance to the VATT and a Jesuit staff member showed them "Lucifer", a telescope at LBT. They claim that the Vatican Observatory stated that Lucifer has a Vatican ownership and its' main purpose is the search for Nibiru. I checked the reference link, but it gives me a 403 error and it's not available at the video pages either. Furthermore, the observatory debunked the "Lucifer hoax".
    Please do a through research for me on this matter. If St. Ignatius of Antioch proves the Real Presence and the Masons wanted to destroy the Church, then our Church might be true. But if a book claims that Newvatican is involved in UFO matters and even wants to bring a "space messiah" on Earth, then I don't know.


    Offline alaric

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    « Reply #1 on: April 28, 2013, 12:15:56 PM »
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  • Well isn't the NO Church already involved with assisting illegal aliens worldwide as it is?

    What difference what planet their from?

    We're all just part of one great big reality anyway aren't we?

    Nothing new to see here, moving on.


    Offline Pelly

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    « Reply #2 on: April 28, 2013, 12:43:24 PM »
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  • I meant extraterrestials, not immigrants.

    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #3 on: April 28, 2013, 03:42:01 PM »
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  • This story sounds absurd.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

    Offline songbird

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    « Reply #4 on: April 28, 2013, 06:32:36 PM »
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  • UFO and aliens and the vatican observatory was brought up on Coast-to-Coast.  It is demonic.  Yes, the vatican is trying to align itself with such foolishness to bring in the Anti-Christ with all his powers to make him look like the real Christ.  Demonic.


    Offline 1st Mansion Tenant

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    « Reply #5 on: April 28, 2013, 06:33:23 PM »
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  • Why does the Vatican even have an observatory? I am curious about what they are looking for. Do they want a heads-up when Jesus comes back so they can shred the docuмents, or what?

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    « Reply #6 on: April 28, 2013, 07:15:25 PM »
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  • Thank you for commenting on this. I have a brother who is listening to some talk radio, and had fallen away from the Church, and wanted me to look at these random things about the Vatican and UFOs, and songbird put words where I had none, except "poppycock."
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

    Offline alaric

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    « Reply #7 on: April 28, 2013, 08:02:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: Pelly
    I meant extraterrestials, not immigrants.
    You mean illegal immigrants.

    Go ahead you can say it.

    As for Satan coming soon in a spaceship....well, I don't doubt nothing coming out of the Vatican these days.



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    « Reply #8 on: April 29, 2013, 01:45:00 AM »
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  • If the NO is so obsessed with UFOs, then there is a more profound moral decline in it. I think that real Catholics should dismiss the UFO phenomenon as a demonic fraud or a government conspiracy.

    Offline Nadir

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    « Reply #9 on: April 29, 2013, 02:55:29 AM »
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  • Quote from: Pelly
    I think that real Catholics should dismiss the UFO phenomenon as a demonic fraud or a government conspiracy.

     :applause:

    Does that mean you, Pelly, are going to stop digging in this putrid topic?
    Please do so for you own health of mind and soul.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    Offline Pelly

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    « Reply #10 on: April 29, 2013, 03:34:16 AM »
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  • Who knows, maybe the Vatican is just trying to save the Church from the attacks of atheists. But I need a serious, through refutation of these claims.


    Offline Rosarium

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    « Reply #11 on: April 29, 2013, 04:19:36 AM »
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  • Quote from: Pelly
    Who knows, maybe the Vatican is just trying to save the Church from the attacks of atheists. But I need a serious, through refutation of these claims.


    No, you do not need a serious refutation. You need serious evidence of them.

    One is not bound to disprove the claims of another. They are bound to prove their claims.

    You should ask your pastor for reading such things as you are doing. It is forbidden by Natural Law, Canon Law, and moral theology what you are doing.


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    SUMMARY OF COMMON LAW ON PROHIBITION OF BOOKS (Holy Office, 17 Apr., 1943) [placed at end of Volume I, after section 1625, in print edition]

    Seeing that delays and omissions in denouncing the books frequently occur, and that many of the faithful are in a state of deplorable ignorance regarding the denunciation and prohibition of harmful books, the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office deems it appropriate to call to mind the principal provisions of the sacred canons on this subject; for it is beyond doubt that bad or harmful writings expose purity of faith, integrity of morals, and the very salvation of souls to the greatest dangers.

    Certainly the Holy See cannot by itself, with adequate care and in due time, prohibit the numberless writings against faith and morals which, especially in our time, are being published almost daily in various languages all over the world. Hence it is necessary that the Ordinaries of places, whose business it is to preserve sound and orthodox doctrine and to protect good morals (C, 343, §1), should, either personally or through suitable priests, be watchful as to the books which are published or sold in their territory (C. 1397, §4), and forbid to their subjects those which they judge should be condemned (C. 1395, §1). The right and duty to forbid books for just cause belongs also to an Abbot of an independent monastery and to the Superior General of a clerical exempt Institute acting with his Chapter or Council; nay, in case of urgency, it belongs also to the other Major Superiors with their proper Council, it being understood, however, that these must as soon as possible report the matter to the Superior General (C. 1395, §3). Nevertheless, books which require a more expert scrutiny, or in regard to which, for salutary results, the judgment of the supreme authority seems to be required, should be referred by the Ordinaries to the judgment of the Holy See (C. 1397, §5).

    It is, of course, the duty of all the faithful, and especially of clerics, to denounce pernicious books to the proper authority; but this duty is especially incuмbent on clerics who have some ecclesiastical dignity, such as the Legates of the Holy See and the Ordinaries of places, and on those who are eminent in doctrine, as for example the Rectors and Professors of Catholic Universities.

    The denunciation is to be made either to this Congregation of the Holy Office or to the Ordinary of the place, giving by all means the reason why it is thought the book should be forbidden. The persons to whom such a report is made have a strict duty to keep secret the names of those who make it (C. 1397, §1, 2, 3).

    Finally, Ordinaries of places and others who have the care of souls should duly inform the faithful of the following:

    a) The prohibition of books has the effect that, unless due permission is obtained, the forbidden book may not be published, nor republished (without making the corrections and obtaining due approbation), nor read, nor retained, nor sold, nor translated into another language, nor in any way communicated to other persons (C. 1398, §1, 2);

    b) Books condemned by the Holy See are considered as forbidden everywhere and in whatever language they may be translated (C. 1396);

    c) The positive ecclesiastical law forbids not only those books which are individually condemned by a special decree of the Holy See and placed on the Index of Forbidden Books, or which are proscribed by particular Councils or Ordinaries for their subjects, but also the books which are forbidden by the common law itself, that is, in virtue of the rules contained in Canon 1399, which forbids in a general manner nearly all books which are bad and harmful in themselves;

    d) The natural law forbids the reading of any book which occasions proximate spiritual danger, since it forbids anyone to place himself in danger of losing the true faith or good morals; accordingly, permission to use forbidden books, from whomsoever it be obtained, in no way exempts from this prohibition of the natural law (C. 1405, §1).



    You are not ready to take it upon yourself to read such things.


    Offline Anthony Benedict

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    « Reply #12 on: April 29, 2013, 10:31:46 AM »
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  • Excellent advice, Rosarium.

    Perhaps it is well that a few clueless strays happen onto a Trad forum now and again. They may not like what they're told, but they can take it to the bank.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 29, 2013, 10:45:08 AM »
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  • Pelly, you must not be so credulous.

    And you should practice some mental and spiritual 'hygiene' and stop reading such nonsense.

    Offline Anthony Benedict

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    « Reply #14 on: April 29, 2013, 11:06:25 AM »
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  • Quote from: Iuvenalis
    Pelly, you must not be so credulous.

    And you should practice some mental and spiritual 'hygiene' and stop reading such nonsense.


    AMEN to that one, brother!

    I'll cut Pell a bit of slack, though. I take him to be a youngster and it is very true that the debased, insane culture he's struggling through really has done nothing to steer anyone at all in any direction but madness.

    I think we should come up with a suggested theological and arts and sciences recommended reading list for the poor guy.

    I'll start by recommending he read:

    A: The Acts of the Apostles ( to become grounded in the formation of the Church )

    B: "A Summa of the Summa" ( Kreeft / Ignatius Press* ) - to start out with a basic guide to systematic thought.

    C: "The Hunt for Red October" by Tom Clancy - all the adventure and heroism a young man could hope to find in a great sea story. Another great classic is "The Good Sheperd" by C F Forester. I'm sure his local library has copies of both.