Author Topic: Vain repetition (Read 2057 times)

Disputaciones · « **on:** December 13, 2015, 10:30:51 PM »

This passage from the KJB is an obvious mistranslation right?

Mark 79 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 13, 2015, 10:57:22 PM »

http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drl&bk=47&ch=6&l=7#x

Nadir · « **Reply #2 on:** December 13, 2015, 11:14:46 PM »

Douay Rheims Bible:

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Matthew 6:7 And when you are praying, speak not much, as the heathens. For they think that in their much speaking they may be heard.

King James Version

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Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Cantarella · « **Reply #3 on:** December 13, 2015, 11:22:20 PM »

Quote from: Mark 79

http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drl&bk=47&ch=6&l=7#x

Quote from: Douay-Rheims Bible

[6] But thou when thou shalt pray, enter into thy chamber, and having shut the door, pray to thy Father in secret: and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee.

[7] And when you are praying, speak not much, as the heathens. For they think that in their much speaking they may be heard.

This is the commentary for that verse in the original Douay-Rheims, 1582:

"Much speaking:

Long prayer is not forbid, for Christ himself spent whole nights in prayer, and he saith, we must pray always, and the Apostle exhorteth to pray without intermission, and the holy Church from the beginning hath had her Canonical hours of prayer: but idle and voluntary babbling, either of the heathers to their gods, or of Heretics, that by long rhetorical prayers think to persuade God: whereas the Collects of the Church are most brief and most effectual.
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Disputaciones · « **Reply #4 on:** December 13, 2015, 11:31:56 PM »

The thing is, the Dimonds have an article against the Rosary or other prayers being "vain repetition" and I wonder why they do that instead of pointing out its a blatant mistranslation to begin with.

confederate catholic · « **Reply #5 on:** December 14, 2015, 12:16:31 AM »

this just shows the diamonds are idiots. the early church and the desert fathers repeated certain prayers. one wonders what they do with their time. they can not be following the rule and have time for their own vain babbling too maybe they should give up their disinformation

Disputaciones · « **Reply #6 on:** December 14, 2015, 01:31:48 AM »

Quote from: confederate catholic

this just shows the diamonds are idiots. the early church and the desert fathers repeated certain prayers. one wonders what they do with their time. they can not be following the rule and have time for their own vain babbling too maybe they should give up their disinformation

You misread what I wrote. I said they have an article AGAINST the Rosary or other prayers BEING "vain repetition", not IN FAVOR of it.

I don't support them by the way.

Disputaciones · « **Reply #7 on:** December 14, 2015, 01:44:01 AM »

Their article is against Protestants who say the Rosary is vain repetition.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #8 on:** December 14, 2015, 02:07:47 AM »

Quote from: Cantarella

Quote from: Mark 79
http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drl&bk=47&ch=6&l=7#x
Quote from: Douay-Rheims Bible

[6] But thou when thou shalt pray, enter into thy chamber, and having shut the door, pray to thy Father in secret: and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee.

[7] And when you are praying, speak not much, as the heathens. For they think that in their much speaking they may be heard.

This is the commentary for that verse in the original Douay-Rheims, 1582:

"Much speaking:

Long prayer is not forbid [forbidden?], for Christ himself spent whole nights in prayer, and he saith, we must pray always, and the Apostle exhorteth to pray without intermission, and the holy Church from the beginning hath had her Canonical hours of prayer: but idle and voluntary babbling, either of the heathers to their gods, or of Heretics, that by long rhetorical prayers think to persuade God: whereas the Collects of the Church are most brief and most effectual."

Are you sure you didn't mean to write "heathens" instead of "heathers?"

The Rosary was a long-established tradition when the Protestants dreamed up "vain repetitions" and I suspect that was an attack on the Rosary in the KJV.

Also, Vatican II kind of went there with saying that "useless repetition" should be eliminated from the Mass. That's why they dropped one Kyrie eleison (instead of 3,3,3, it's now 2,2,2, and the newfangled Chant sounds stupid like that).

But the Satanists don't dare to reduce their triple repetitions to double.

.

Cantarella · « **Reply #9 on:** December 14, 2015, 01:05:08 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: Cantarella
Quote from: Mark 79
http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drl&bk=47&ch=6&l=7#x
Quote from: Douay-Rheims Bible

[6] But thou when thou shalt pray, enter into thy chamber, and having shut the door, pray to thy Father in secret: and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee.

[7] And when you are praying, speak not much, as the heathens. For they think that in their much speaking they may be heard.

This is the commentary for that verse in the original Douay-Rheims, 1582:

"Much speaking:

Long prayer is not forbid [forbidden?], for Christ himself spent whole nights in prayer, and he saith, we must pray always, and the Apostle exhorteth to pray without intermission, and the holy Church from the beginning hath had her Canonical hours of prayer: but idle and voluntary babbling, either of the heathers to their gods, or of Heretics, that by long rhetorical prayers think to persuade God: whereas the Collects of the Church are most brief and most effectual."

Are you sure you didn't mean to write "heathens" instead of "heathers?"

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I meant "heathens", sorry for the typo.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #10 on:** December 14, 2015, 01:37:54 PM »

When they're doing apologetics against Protestants they actually use the King James Bible because the Prots would not accept any argument based on the Douay Rheims. They are NOT idiots. Their work on how the [Protestant] Bible proves the teachings of the Catholic Church is a masterpiece in apologetics. They make a point of using the KJ version deliberately to take that off the table right out of the gate. They're like, "Look, we'll prove this using your own translation of the Bible."

Matto · « **Reply #11 on:** December 14, 2015, 01:47:11 PM »

I do not think the Dimonds are idiots. I think they are very intelligent. Just because they might be wrong about a few things doesn't make them idiots. I think people like to put them down and think they are better than them because they disagree with them about BOD and about the crisis.

HiddenServant · « **Reply #12 on:** December 14, 2015, 02:39:49 PM »

Trifle matters occur more often now with so much demonic
activity in this world. I would rather forget about the little things
that are not needed to push time on and spend it wisely on the
things Almighty God wants me to and show it good examples.

poche · « **Reply #13 on:** December 16, 2015, 12:31:34 AM »

They are not mistranslations. However you should remember that in interpreting t he Bible we all need the guidance of the magisterium of the Catholic Church.

I should also like to point out to you that the Pharisee gave a beautiful extemporaneous prayer and the publican engaged in a repetitive prayer. The publican went away justified.
Also there was a blind beggar sitting by the wayside. He cried out again and again the same prayer. The crowd tried to get him to be quiet, but he ignored them. Jesus heard him and gave him his sight.

OHCA · « **Reply #14 on:** December 19, 2015, 08:18:31 PM »

Quote from: poche

They are not mistranslations.

What is your basis for this assertion?