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Offline Last Tradhican

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I friend of mine keeps repeating to me every time I make the mistake of saying abortionist and pro-abortion (I never used the pro-choice, pro-life), that it should be called pro-infanticide and  Infanticidists.

An abortion is a mechanical term (abort a mission), and pro-choice and pro-life are silly "politically correct" expressions.

It is more striking and closer to reality to use the term infanticide, pro-infanticide, anti-infanticide, infanticidists.

Agreed?
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Someone asked me when "life" begins.  Abortion and infanticide are after the fact, after life.   But I say it begins with egg and sperm.  To destroy them is against life.

For example: egg and sperm have value, just as you buy seeds in the store.  Only God puts more value on egg and sperm.  Attitude is the sin.  How does one combat this evil attitude towards Gods creation?  

The world is anti-authority, anti-God.  They do not see a soul, do not speak of soul.

The enemy works like this KAB= Knowledge, attitude, behavior.  Change knowledge, to change attitude, to behavior= abortion/murder.

Solution: Powers of the Precious Blood, Our Lady of Peace/Rosary, fast/mortification/sacrifice.


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"Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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I friend of mine keeps repeating to me every time I make the mistake of saying abortionist and pro-abortion (I never used the pro-choice, pro-life), that it should be called pro-infanticide and  Infanticidists.

An abortion is a mechanical term (abort a mission), and pro-choice and pro-life are silly "politically correct" expressions.

It is more striking and closer to reality to use the term infanticide, pro-infanticide, anti-infanticide, infanticidists.

Agreed?
Yes, I too agree. That is a good point you bring up. We can never win we use the enemy's terms and play within their rules.

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You are right.... :fryingpan:

And thank you for reminding me Last Tradhican!


"Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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While it is true, of course, that abortion is infanticide, there may be situations in which it is confusing to use that word.  Sometimes one might wish to make a distinction between murdering children before birth and doing so after birth.  

For example, if one were describing the progression of the error, one might say that the social acceptance of abortion led to the acceptance of infanticide.  Obviously, it is unclear to say "the acceptance of infanticide led to the acceptance of infanticide".   So we sometimes need terminology capable of showing this distinction.

I agree that "pro-choice" is a problematic word for various reasons and ought to be avoided.  What we replace it with would depend on the context.  I think that, while "pro-abortion" has some negative points, there are circumstances in which it is acceptable.


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While it is true, of course, that abortion is infanticide, there may be situations in which it is confusing to use that word.  Sometimes one might wish to make a distinction between murdering children before birth and doing so after birth.  

For example, if one were describing the progression of the error, one might say that the social acceptance of abortion led to the acceptance of infanticide.  Obviously, it is unclear to say "the acceptance of infanticide led to the acceptance of infanticide".   So we sometimes need terminology capable of showing this distinction.

I agree that "pro-choice" is a problematic word for various reasons and ought to be avoided.  What we replace it with would depend on the context.  I think that, while "pro-abortion" has some negative points, there are circumstances in which it is acceptable.
Abortion is infanticide as you confirmed in the first sentence. From there on everything you wrote is an attempt to soften that fact when speaking to the world. That defeats the entire purpose. The use of euphemisms like abortion, pro-choice etc. is not reality. 

For example, if one were describing the progression of the error ( progression of the error! Not something I would say), one might say that the social acceptance of abortion the killing of the unborn IS infanticide.
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I think child murder is more accurate than abortion - call it what it is. 


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Abortion is infanticide as you confirmed in the first sentence. From there on everything you wrote is an attempt to soften that fact when speaking to the world. That defeats the entire purpose. The use of euphemisms like abortion, pro-choice etc. is not reality.
I do not see the word "abortion" as a euphemism.  It comes from the Latin word abortio and is used in medical terminology.  A "spontaneous abortion" is commonly called a miscarriage, while an "induced abortion" is commonly called an abortion and means the deliberate killing of a child before birth.  It is a precise and clinical word that does not soften the reality of what occurs.

I would say that "removal of uterine contents" is a euphemism.  The term "pro-choice" is not so much a euphemism as a lie.  It is an attempt to portray something horrendous as something good.  It is actively deceptive.

But I wonder if we understand the word "euphemism" differently.  Would you say that the word "defecate" is a euphemism?  I wouldn't.  In contrast, I would say that "go number two" is a euphemism.
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I am 100% Pro-Choice - in that I believe that we have the choice as to whether we fornicate and whether or not we marry.  

Where we absolutely do not have a right of choice over is with regards to a God created life in our womb.  Whether or not we had sex in marriage, in sinful fornication or were forced into it. That life is God’s not ours. 


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I do not see the word "abortion" as a euphemism.  It comes from the Latin word abortio and is used in medical terminology.  A "spontaneous abortion" is commonly called a miscarriage, while an "induced abortion" is commonly called an abortion and means the deliberate killing of a child before birth.  It is a precise and clinical word that does not soften the reality of what occurs.
You are correct, it is not a euphemism strictly speaking, but it has become like one, since the term is used to mean many mechanical operations like "aborting a mission". If you wanted to distinguish between abortion and infanticide in a conversation like you brought up, I would use "feticide" for the killing of the unborn. Personally I would not distinguish abortion from infanticide, for it is infanticide, it is just the law does not call it that. 
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I am 100% Pro-Choice - in that I believe that we have the choice as to whether we fornicate and whether or not we marry.  

Where we absolutely do not have a right of choice over is with regards to a God created life in our womb.  Whether or not we had sex in marriage, in sinful fornication or were forced into it. That life is God’s not ours.
Yes, this is what I was getting at by saying that using "pro-choice" to refer to support for abortion is deceptive.  One could more rightly call the Catholic position "pro-choice" since it is based on the correct understanding of free will.
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You are correct, it is not a euphemism strictly speaking, but it has become like one, since the term is used to mean many mechanical operations like "aborting a mission". 
Ah, I see what you mean.  That makes sense.
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Consider the "children of the devil" practice the trade of their father, the master of lies:

"Misinformation" for lies and deceit.

"Gay" for deviant homosexuals.

"Homo-phobia" for those who refuse to condone deviant homosexuality.

"Anti-semitism" for those who point out the errors of perfidious Talmudic judaism.

"Human trafficking" for the ancient vice of prostitution.

"Pro-choice" for infanticide or murder.

"Deep State" for international organized, judeo-masonry.

And on and on...
"Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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Yes, this is what I was getting at by saying that using "pro-choice" to refer to support for abortion is deceptive.  One could more rightly call the Catholic position "pro-choice" since it is based on the correct understanding of free will.
I agree but I think we have to be cautious not to give ground to those who believe child murder is justified when a woman is raped. It is not there are NO circumstances where the deliberate killing of a child in the womb is acceptable or where a woman has any right to make that choice. 

 

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