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US West Coast in path of Japan fallout
« on: March 13, 2011, 11:28:03 PM »
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  • This one is from PrisonPlanet -- a bit more credible than Rense ;)

    U.S. West Coast in Path of Fallout
    Sun 13 Mar 2011 07:45

    “If There Were a Reactor Meltdown or Major Leak at Fukushima, the Radioactive Cloud Would Likely be Blown Out … Towards the US West Coast”


        California is closely monitoring efforts to contain leaks from a quake-damaged Japanese nuclear plant, a spokesman said Saturday, as experts said radiation could be blown out across the Pacific.

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        “At present there is no danger to California. However we are monitoring the situation closely in conjunction with our federal partners,” Michael Sicilia, spokesman for California Department of Public Health, told AFP.

        “California does have radioactivity monitoring systems in place for air, water and the food supply and can enhance that monitoring if a danger exists,” he added.

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        Experts have suggested that, if there were a reactor meltdown or major leak at Fukushima, the radioactive cloud would likely be blown out east across the Pacific, towards the US West Coast.

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        “The wind direction for the time being seems to point the (nuclear) pollution towards the Pacific,” said Andre-Claude Lacoste of the French Nuclear Safety Authority, briefing journalists in Paris on the Japanese crisis.

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        Earlier the NRC said it was “examining all available information as part of the effort to analyze the event and understand its implications both for Japan and the United States.”

         

        The winds could shift at any time, blowing radiation into Tokyo or other parts of Japan.

        However, even if the prevailing winds remain off-shore – towards California and Washington – those American states are still a long way away. As AFP notes:

            While US nuclear experts acknowledged the seriousness of Japan’s reactor crisis, some stressed that taking steps in the United States such as distributing iodine tablets — which prevent iodine 131 from being absorbed into the body — would be “vastly premature.”

            “It’s a big ocean. These (radiation) releases are essentially going to be at ground level,” said Ken Bergeron, a physicist who has worked on nuclear reactor accident simulation.

            “We should not confuse it with health issues in the United States.”

            Japan is roughly 5,000 miles (8,000 kilometers) from the US West Coast.


        But while the great distances make the risk of radiation exposure to Californians and Washingtonians small, it is not zero. For example, pollution from Chinese coal factories routinely hits California. For example, Mongabay noted in 2008:

            Previous studies have documented that dust from Asia — especially from deserts and industrial regions of China — routinely crosses the Pacific Ocean on prevailing winds to sully the air over the western U.S.

        And see this and this.

        As as the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory wrote last December:

            About a third of the airborne lead particles recently collected at two sites in the San Francisco Bay Area came from Asia, a finding that underscores the far-flung impacts of air pollution and heralds a new way to learn more about its journey across vast distances.

            In a first-of-its-kind study, scientists from the U.S. Department of Energy’s Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the California Air Resources Board tracked variations in the amount of lead transported across the Pacific over time.

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            It’s well known that particles and other aerosols cover long distances through the Earth’s atmosphere. But the details of this transport, such as that of the lead particles’ 7,000-mile journey from the smokestacks of China to the west coast of North America, are largely unknown
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    US West Coast in path of Japan fallout
    « Reply #1 on: March 13, 2011, 11:38:21 PM »
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  • Interesting site here:


    Radiation Map


    Don't really know much about it but says it's real time data.  They have a Japan map at bottom, but apparently no one to feed it data.  I don't have any familiarity with the web site, so take it for what it's worth.


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    US West Coast in path of Japan fallout
    « Reply #2 on: March 14, 2011, 06:32:20 AM »
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  • It has been known for sometime that birds can be blown thousands of miles across the oceans.  Now, of course, birds can fly, but no bird can fly that far.  So, if an object heavy as a bird can be blown that distance, so could dust from a nuclear meltdown that is accompanied by a large explosion.

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    « Reply #3 on: March 14, 2011, 11:57:52 PM »
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  • What is wrong with you people?  You are acting like the eco-friendliest of alarmist ninnyhammers.  

    I am seeing a new phenomenon here.  The conspiracy-theory crowd has become as full of disinformation as the liberal media.  Worse... The New York Times, which is like Pravda, now seems more sensible than Alex Jones!  

    These William Cooper-type people are so stoked on disasters that they can no longer see reality; they are being fed with this negative, pessimistic view of everything, everything is a plot of the elite.

    This is where I get off the train, even though I basically converted due to conspiracy theories.

    The radiation exponentially decreases the farther it gets from its source.  Not only that, but it floats at a high altitude.  If some "dust" gets to California, and obviously some will, that is the least of your worries.  Maybe some people will be at higher risk of cancer, but then there are so many factors that go into that.  There is radiation all around us every day, radiation from the sun.  I just can't believe this is what is being posted when it is the Japanese who are in massive danger.  
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    « Reply #4 on: March 15, 2011, 12:03:32 AM »
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  • Does it give some of you here a THRILL when something goes wrong, does that make you feel more alive, kind of like how some soldiers describe a rush of aliveness after killing someone in battle, this feeling that they are still sucking air and someone else is gone?  This leads to guilt, of course.

    I notice this in myself, so I'm sure it's in others too.  People are becoming disaster junkies.  It's like a drug.  I think it also makes people feel tough, kind of like how atheists feel tough when they say things like "Oh yeah, God is a crutch, I can face the fact that life is meaningless!"  A disaster junkie can face the worst and therefore he is a hard-bitten realist, or so he thinks -- more and more they are becoming fantasists.

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    « Reply #5 on: March 15, 2011, 12:29:59 AM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    Does it give some of you here a THRILL when something goes wrong, does that make you feel more alive, kind of like how some soldiers describe a rush of aliveness after killing someone in battle, this feeling that they are still sucking air and someone else is gone?  This leads to guilt, of course.

    I notice this in myself, so I'm sure it's in others too.  People are becoming disaster junkies.  It's like a drug.  ....


    Really I think it's just YOU.

    Also, the feeling of killing someone and getting a thrill from the news reports are different. Dont compare them. They are as different as oil and water.
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    « Reply #6 on: March 15, 2011, 12:31:35 AM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    What is wrong with you people?  You are acting like the eco-friendliest of alarmist ninnyhammers.  

    I am seeing a new phenomenon here.  The conspiracy-theory crowd has become as full of disinformation as the liberal media.  Worse... The New York Times, which is like Pravda, now seems more sensible than Alex Jones!  
     


    You've got a rather pathetic problem with human respect, you know that?
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    « Reply #7 on: March 15, 2011, 02:15:44 AM »
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  • A problem with human respect?  That doesn't make sense in context.  Unless you're saying that, because I don't believe every ridiculous conspiracy theory ever, I'm somehow afraid of the harsh truth ( which is really a fantasy )...  

    Do you mean that I lack respect?  I admit my tone was belligerent, I'm not having the best night.

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    « Reply #8 on: March 15, 2011, 02:22:55 AM »
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  • Catholic Samurai said:
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    Really I think it's just YOU.


    You can't see that I have any point about people who feed off bad news, who are addicted to conspiracies and disasters, who at least subconsciously yearn for it to be worse and worse because it makes their lives more exciting?  Really?  It's just ME, eh?   Well that should be comforting to know.

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    Also, the feeling of killing someone and getting a thrill from the news reports are different. Dont compare them. They are as different as oil and water.


    That's true, but I was using an exaggerated comparison to make a point.  It's unhealthy to feed off bad news.  And yes, I admitted that I detected this in myself and that's how I know it's in others, besides that I'm seeing it all over the place lately.  I don't think I'm so special that I'm some other breed of evil human.  We're all evil.

    It's just that some of the stuff I'm seeing here is like screaming "Fire" in a theater when there is no fire ( no, not equally as bad, Samurai, calm down, another exaggeration to make a point... )  It's downright irresponsible to start talking about California being radiated with no facts.
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    « Reply #9 on: March 15, 2011, 02:35:05 AM »
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  • It's funny to me how people have such binary minds.  I've been thinking about this tonight, since I discovered a friend of mine is a Tea Party type.  That is what set me off.

    Though it is forgotten, Catholics used to be Democrats and pro-union, pro-high-taxes, pro-big-government, pro-Roosevelt.  Then Roe v. Wade happened and the Catholics became Republican.  Fine, you can't vote for someone who is pro-abortion.  But does that mean you have to accept EVERY aspect of the Republican platform, have to be pro-Iraq war, and sound like a shill for psychotic corporations who, if they had their way, would have us all working 19-hour days for peanuts like in China?  

    I simply can't believe I am hearing Catholics, at this late stage in the game, saying that the problem is high taxes.  The problem is a globalized economy with no limits that allows these psycho corporations to ship jobs to sweatshops in India and China, which leads to unemployment here and the destruction of the consumer economy, not to mention that everything is based on fictitious money.  

    Under monarchies, there were high taxes -- a tax is not "communism," okay?

    But for some reason, they seem to be incapable of sifting the good from the bad in each party.  They either have to be Republican or Democrat, taking the whole package as it comes.  

    Catholics, from now on, must be given a lesson in Hegelianism from their tenderest years.  The devil is addling them so easily, but the solution is just as easy -- follow the Church, not political parties, and not charlatans in the secular media.
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    « Reply #10 on: March 15, 2011, 11:20:07 AM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    A problem with human respect?  That doesn't make sense in context.  Unless you're saying that, because I don't believe every ridiculous conspiracy theory ever, I'm somehow afraid of the harsh truth ( which is really a fantasy )...  



    No, because your overly concerned about what other people think. You may not have noticed how many times you've said that we are giving a bad impression and coming off as alarmists. The fact is that YOU are just afraid of digging into to the issues sifting through them because your worried about looking like a weirdo.

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    « Reply #11 on: March 15, 2011, 11:58:23 AM »
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  • Gullibility through scientific illiteracy is partly what makes this board hard not to read, especially when something like these days happens. I'm past the point of caring how this reflects on Catholics, but I can't help checking out what is going here.


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    « Reply #12 on: March 15, 2011, 12:11:05 PM »
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  • Thanks for stopping in and sharing nothing of value, Van ;)

    Why not enlighten those you believe are illiterate?

    The truth is the situation is Japan is worse than the MSM says, although that does not mean it is as bad as some fear-mongering folks would have us believe.  Time alone will tell exactly how bad it is and will be.  I imagine you are glad you are not in Tokyo right now.
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    « Reply #13 on: March 15, 2011, 12:20:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
    Thanks for stopping in and sharing nothing of value, Van ;)

    Why not enlighten those you believe are illiterate?

    The truth is the situation is Japan is worse than the MSM says, although that does not mean it is as bad as some fear-mongering folks would have us believe.  Time alone will tell exactly how bad it is and will be.  I imagine you are glad you are not in Tokyo right now.


    Perfect summary of the situation.

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    « Reply #14 on: March 15, 2011, 12:22:41 PM »
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  • Quote from: Vandaler
    Gullibility through scientific illiteracy is partly what makes this board hard not to read, especially when something like these days happens. I'm past the point of caring how this reflects on Catholics, but I can't help checking out what is going here.



    It's a scientific unknown, in terms of what will happen, and the scientific impacts from what has already happened.  Radiation is just contaminated particles of matter.  Depending on how these particles of matter distribute themselves throughout the cryosphere is a major uncertainty.

     

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