Author Topic: catholic school price (Read 4751 times)

MarylandTrad · « **Reply #15 on:** June 12, 2014, 01:27:45 AM »

Anything is better than Novus Ordo schools (yes even secular), but homeschooling is the best.

Many Novus Ordo schools teach:

-that Genesis creation account is mythology
-that Moses did not write Genesis
-That Jesus' resurrection was bodily OR not bodily, the Apostles just saw Him in a dream/vision
-liberal texts from post Vatican 2 papal encyclicals
-there is much apology for the Church's past
-protestant theologians are often cited as if their opinions are valuable
-etc. etc.

Many Novus Ordo schools also have an obsession with teaching modern philosophy, included in the curriculum are freemason Descartes, freemason Locke, freemason Nietzsche (yes seriously they teach him too)

crossbro · « **Reply #16 on:** June 12, 2014, 04:05:11 AM »

This reminds me of the lesbos back east a few years back who put "their daughter" in catholic school.

The priest kicked the kid out on the grounds of scandal.

The bishop reversed it on the grounds of charity although I think it is possible this bishop and francis could have been bff if you know what I mean...

and the bishop publically reprimanded the priest too and smeared him for basically following the teaching of St Paul.

TKGS · « **Reply #17 on:** June 12, 2014, 06:31:51 AM »

Quote from: MarylandTrad

Anything is better than Novus Ordo schools (yes even secular)...

Though I have never seen a study on Novus Ordo grade schools or high schools, there was a study conducted about what happens to Catholic students who go to various kinds of colleges.

Unfortunately, I cannot give the reference, but the study was publicized not more than two or three years ago. The study looked at Catholic students and compared their overall belief in Catholic doctrines when they entered college to when they graduated.

The study found that, in general, students who had the Catholic faith when they entered Catholic colleges no longer held those beliefs upon graduation. The loss of faith among Catholics who went to non-Catholic colleges was much less prevalent. When an institution teaches in the name of the Church, it is much more likely that the students will accept their doctrinal teaching as Catholic teaching and, if it teaches contrary to the faith, the students will more likely also lose the faith.

I doubt not that Novus Ordo grade schools are much different, though the one thing that can tend to alleviate the loss of faith is the fact that the children live live at home with their parents. If their parents have the faith, they might be able to resist the false teachings at these places.

Quote from: jaketorenme

I do teach my children the bible at home.

Frankly, I don't think jaketorenme is a Catholic, even a Novus Ordo Catholic. This just isn't how a Catholic talks. Catholics teach their children the faith, the catechism, etc. Protestants teach their children "the bible". While the bible is a great source for many moral teachings, one cannot "learn the bible".

I also note that jaketorenme has still made only 2 posts on CathInfo. I think jaketorenme was looking for resources that might help him/her find financial assistance and CathInfo must have come up on Google from the search terms and he/she thought that we might provide suggestions for finding that financial assistance and didn't really look at the forum to see what it is we discuss here. This new member does not seem to have any concern at all about doctrine or the Catholic faith, his/her only concern is finding financial assistance for the Novus Ordo school tuition.

I would not doubt that jaketorenme (or the same person using different screen names) has joined other forums that use discuss Catholic issues asking the very same question. Since this person isn't really interested in Catholic doctrine, perhaps jaketorenme should try Catholic Answers Forum, Fisheaters, or, perhaps, Angelqueen (I haven't been there is ages).

Anyone else have some suggestions for jaketorenme?

MarylandTrad · « **Reply #18 on:** June 12, 2014, 01:29:21 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: MarylandTrad
Anything is better than Novus Ordo schools (yes even secular)...

Though I have never seen a study on Novus Ordo grade schools or high schools, there was a study conducted about what happens to Catholic students who go to various kinds of colleges.

Unfortunately, I cannot give the reference, but the study was publicized not more than two or three years ago. The study looked at Catholic students and compared their overall belief in Catholic doctrines when they entered college to when they graduated.

The study found that, in general, students who had the Catholic faith when they entered Catholic colleges no longer held those beliefs upon graduation. The loss of faith among Catholics who went to non-Catholic colleges was much less prevalent. When an institution teaches in the name of the Church, it is much more likely that the students will accept their doctrinal teaching as Catholic teaching and, if it teaches contrary to the faith, the students will more likely also lose the faith.

I doubt not that Novus Ordo grade schools are much different, though the one thing that can tend to alleviate the loss of faith is the fact that the children live live at home with their parents. If their parents have the faith, they might be able to resist the false teachings at these places.

Quote from: jaketorenme
I do teach my children the bible at home.

Yes I agree with you that secular schools are less dangerous (but still should be avoided of course). I go to a Catholic University and the amount of innovation and novelty is obscene. The big thing they are promoting now is a so called "unity" in faith as opposed to what the professors call "uniformity" in faith. What they mean by this is it is ok to have wildly different interpretations of dogmas. For example, one can believe the resurrection of Christ was bodily (as is the obvious sense), but another supposedly could not believe that sense, and instead believe that the resurrection of Christ was an individual thing the Apostles experienced through dreams/visions, but His physical body didn't actually resurrect. They of course teach both interpretations as though they are both ok to hold. Of course the Catholic University also attacks in inerrancy of Sacred Scripture relentlessly, in opposition to what Pope Leo XIII taught in Providentissimus Deus.

TKGS · « **Reply #19 on:** June 12, 2014, 02:36:07 PM »

Quote from: MarylandTrad

The big thing they are promoting now is a so called "unity" in faith as opposed to what the professors call "uniformity" in faith. What they mean by this is it is ok to have wildly different interpretations of dogmas.

Of course, this is the very essence of Modernism as taught by Pope St. Pius X. They use the same words as Catholics do, but they assign new meanings to those words so that the concepts they communicate are antithetical to the actual meaning.

Now, if a simple layman in the pew were promoting this, one could possibly excuse him for ignorance thinking that he was docilely accepting Catholic doctrine. But university professors cannot reasonably be assumed to be so completely ignorant of Catholic doctrine that they are promoting heresy "in good faith". These men (and women, most likely) are heretics through and through and have placed themselves outside the Catholic Church which is why they so frequently wail and gnash their teeth!

Yet many people will still declare that they are completely Catholic in good standing because they have not been "judged by the Church". Others will agree that they are heretics and are outside the Church until, that is, they are elected to the papacy.

MarylandTrad · « **Reply #20 on:** June 12, 2014, 03:36:20 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: MarylandTrad
The big thing they are promoting now is a so called "unity" in faith as opposed to what the professors call "uniformity" in faith. What they mean by this is it is ok to have wildly different interpretations of dogmas.

Of course, this is the very essence of Modernism as taught by Pope St. Pius X. They use the same words as Catholics do, but they assign new meanings to those words so that the concepts they communicate are antithetical to the actual meaning.

Now, if a simple layman in the pew were promoting this, one could possibly excuse him for ignorance thinking that he was docilely accepting Catholic doctrine. But university professors cannot reasonably be assumed to be so completely ignorant of Catholic doctrine that they are promoting heresy "in good faith". These men (and women, most likely) are heretics through and through and have placed themselves outside the Catholic Church which is why they so frequently wail and gnash their teeth!

Yet many people will still declare that they are completely Catholic in good standing because they have not been "judged by the Church". Others will agree that they are heretics and are outside the Church until, that is, they are elected to the papacy.

I think you are underestimating the system in place. I have no doubt that one of my professors who taught modernism is actually of good will. I could tell this because he could get irate at the atheists and students more liberal than himself. They have been taught that it is ok to believe these things.

TKGS · « **Reply #21 on:** June 12, 2014, 04:50:31 PM »

Quote from: MarylandTrad

I think you are underestimating the system in place. I have no doubt that one of my professors who taught modernism is actually of good will. I could tell this because he could get irate at the atheists and students more liberal than himself. They have been taught that it is ok to believe these things.

Frankly, I don't believe that your professor is truly of good will. He just thinks that other people have gone too far.

Are you seriously telling me that a professor in your university really doesn't know what the Church taught in the past? He truly hasn't studied any pre-Vatican II teaching docuмents? I suppose it is conceivable, but, as Christ noted, if they were blind they would be without blame, but they say that they see, so the guilt remains.