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Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 04, 2009, 03:56:44 PM
The Ukranian Plague is much worse than Swine Flu; they are tracking some kind of hemorrhagic fever, where victims die with a high fever and blood in the lungs.

This plague is spreading rapidly in the Ukraine.

http://www.europebusines.blogspot.com/
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 04, 2009, 03:59:44 PM
Reports indicate the number of cases has doubled within 48 hours.

Time will tell, and God is in control, but this is something upon which it might be wise to keep an eye.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 04, 2009, 04:00:35 PM
Btw, the number of cases is, apparently, pushing 500,000.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: Elizabeth on November 04, 2009, 05:11:57 PM
 :pray:Poor Ukraine, they have suffered so often! :pray:
        :cry:         :cry:       :cry:    

Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 04, 2009, 06:08:10 PM
FWIW, here is the link to a thread on this at another forum:

http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.php/topic,55833.0.html
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: Elizabeth on November 04, 2009, 06:17:59 PM
G_V Have you seen Sister Teresa's video?     :pray:




Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 04, 2009, 06:42:16 PM
No.  My speakers do not work right now, so I have not watched any online videos in a coon's age.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: Elizabeth on November 04, 2009, 08:44:10 PM
You don't need speakers; it is subtitled.  It is pretty much a must-see, for many various reasons.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: Matthew on November 04, 2009, 11:01:18 PM
They are calling it both a viral pneumonia and bacteriological hemorrhagic fever. The symptoms mimic those of Swine Flu, though on steroids. People die with their lungs dissolving almost overnight, filled with fluids and blood. ...

Three months ago, Israeli Mossad agent Joseph Moshe, who specializes in biological warfare, was taken down by Los Angeles police, allegedly for "threatening the White House." What wasn't reported by the media at the time was that Moshe just had "called into a radio show to warn people about a biological weapon that was being made by Baxter international that would be spread through vaccine and would cause a plague upon its release."  Moshe also claimed that Ukraine would be the country in which it first would be released. This was in early August.  How did he know? " The talk show host was Dr. True Ott, Dr. Ott and I have been on national radio talks shows together with Dr. Bill Deagle. Dr. Ott is a great guy and one of the top experts on what is happening with Swine Flu.

President of Ukraine calls on the international community for help - Unknown virus is killing people - 1500 already unofficially reported dead ~ link ~ This is serious people. It sounds like an Advanced Biowar virus is on the loose in the Ukraine and nothing is being done to prevent its spread around the world. Mark my words, this could be the beginning of something truly horrible in human experience. Something that will kill many of the people reading this.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 05, 2009, 08:20:47 AM
Quote from: Elizabeth
You don't need speakers; it is subtitled.  It is pretty much a must-see, for many various reasons.


Can you provide a title, or something that would help narrow a Google search?
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 05, 2009, 08:29:13 AM
Well, God is, as usual, too good to us.  Going to the site I linked to begin this thread, the very video of which you spoke, Elizabeth, is now linked at the very top of the page!  :rolleyes:  Here it is:

http://www.disinfo.com/2009/11/spanish-doctor-reveals-important-information-about-swine-flu/
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: Elizabeth on November 05, 2009, 10:17:33 AM
I find it hard to describe the quiet dignity and meekness coupled with such an enormous intellect of this nun.  Thank God she was allowed to make this presentation.  Zero, nada tinfoil hat stuff here.

May God bless Sr. Teresa! :pray: :pray: :pray:

(sorry G_V, I had started a thread about her in the Health section, but I guess it was a dud :dancing:)
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 05, 2009, 10:22:03 AM
Titles determine a lot.  Not that this thread is breaking records, but "Ukrainian Plague" is more catchy that "Sister Teresa", etc.

Thank you for mentioning it, both before and now.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: Elizabeth on November 05, 2009, 10:59:02 AM
Well, the title did lack a certain zest.  Also the category was off...

It is a long video, but it is worth every minute.

Apologies to Bp. Williamson, but it is good that she is so well-educated, and she proves that true education can only lead to God.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 05, 2009, 11:13:07 AM
Quote from: Elizabeth
It is a long video, but it is worth every minute.


Agreed.  It is excellent.  She actually reminds me (in some ways) of my sister, to whom I sent the video.

As for zest, it is all a matter of Providence.  I only used the term Ukrainian Plague because the gentleman who runs the blog I linked had recently coined/used it.  C'est la vie.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 05, 2009, 01:30:11 PM
http://www.europebusines.blogspot.com/

Please visit this site regularly.  He is posting updates quite frequently.  Godspeed.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 05, 2009, 08:55:38 PM
From the site linked above:

Update: Today's total of very ill people in the Ukraine is officially at 633,877. This disease was unknown six days ago! Three days ago the number of cases was approximately 255,000, yesterday it was a little over 470,000. Official death figures are just under 100, but multiple sources say the real death figures are now over 3,000. The internal temperature of the patients who die reaches 130F to 135F, the lungs are full of blood and have turned to mush, and are black.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: Matthew on November 06, 2009, 12:04:01 AM
May God have mercy on us!

 :incense:
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 06, 2009, 01:33:51 PM
Here is blog started just for this issue:

http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 06, 2009, 01:36:47 PM
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 06, 2009, 02:05:30 PM
"...The official amount of people sick with the "mysterious"/Plague Virus is NOW 871037!!"
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 06, 2009, 02:06:32 PM
Remain calm - but pay attention, too.  Godspeed.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: Matthew on November 06, 2009, 06:21:16 PM
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: Elizabeth on November 06, 2009, 06:31:05 PM
 :pray: :pray: :pray:
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 06, 2009, 06:41:59 PM
Quote from: ChantCd
this will be happening in the USA in a few weeks...


IMO, it is likely to happen at least by spring, if not much sooner.  Time will tell.  Godspeed to all.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 07, 2009, 01:57:11 PM
http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/

Just making sure this blog link is on page two, also.  IMO, it is wise to check this site daily.  Things are happening quickly.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 07, 2009, 02:16:56 PM
The situations in Bulgaria, Russia, Italy, Poland and Turkey are also mentioned in the articles linked on this page.  Please read them when you get a chance.

Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: Elizabeth on November 07, 2009, 03:01:24 PM
watched a bunch of the links last night :cry:

didn't know about Italy, Bulgaria, Russia, Poland or Turkey :cry:
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: Matthew on November 08, 2009, 10:32:33 PM
One thing to note - they did not release yesterdays numbers until very late in the night, their time on the 7th.

These numbers show about 32443 more people getting sick in less than 24 hours.

Either things are slowing down in the Ukraine with the plague, or.............. something else is behind the numbers. I will also add, considering Ukraine is basically shut down, all schools closed, no public gatherings etc. These are very high numbers for less than 24 hours time, when people are not allowed to be out and about.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 09, 2009, 11:33:10 AM
Matthew,

I suggest this thread (or some thread related to this topic, containing the blogs that provide regular updates) be placed in a fixed position at the top of this folder (at least for a few days).  IMO, this situation is very important.  Do as you will and believe is best.  Thank you.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: Classiccom on November 09, 2009, 01:20:40 PM
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: Elizabeth on November 09, 2009, 09:44:38 PM


About 2000 Ukranian health care workers sick and in isolation

Belarus has shut her country's schools

Test results sent to London still not released (big surprise)

travel not restricted from Ukraine

and plague drills in various parts of the US

dear, dear Ukraine :pray: :pray: :pray:
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 10, 2009, 09:22:59 AM
The thread linked immediately below contains the recent article "One Flew Over the Ukraine's Nest", by Edgar Steele.

http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?a=topic&t=9241
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: Belloc on November 10, 2009, 09:27:41 AM
Update-from somewhere at a undisclosed location, Cheney is contemplating firing a nuke at Ukraine-that'll teach them to have the flu!!!

Later, surveying the smoldering ruins, he finds amidst the ruins of Kiev a fully intact, clean and undamaged AL Queda ID......
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: lthngsbrtnbtfl on November 10, 2009, 07:35:31 PM
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: Matthew on November 10, 2009, 08:44:48 PM
Long time no post -- Welcome back!

Actually, I was wondering the same thing myself. I agree, we don't have enough evidence to declare one way or the other. But in a few days it would have to go public or be proven a hoax, you'd think (after the number of infected reaches the millions, for instance)

Matthew
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 10, 2009, 09:10:42 PM
This article might give some insight into why they could be exaggerating certain facts about the situation in the Ukraine in some of the reports that are making their way to the West.

http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?a=topic&t=9333
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: lthngsbrtnbtfl on November 11, 2009, 12:40:01 AM
Matthew--Thanks.  It has been a rather long time...I'm surprised you remember me at all...

Gladius,

I consider myself a slave to the truth, but I also believe in being polite.

Please forgive me for being blunt, but I am forced to say that the second smells worse than the first.

As a gourmet cook, I can tell when the recipe was cooked up after the pudding, and this one is a mess.

Let's limit it to this:  what is the real likelihood that one person has been able to wiretap Washington and solve EVERY CONSPIRACY THEORY EVER HATCHED!!!  I mean, he's got the goods on everything from the moon landing to 9/11 to Bush being high on coke!

If these people were really that well organized, don't you think they'd be able to prevent something as simple as having their top-secret phone conversations from being recorded?

OK, I'm going to stop before I cross the nice line.  I'm partial to 40's millinery and I believe that aluminum foil should be banned.  (You realize it has mercury in it, right?)

I will say that I agree that something is not right here, and that I agree that the forces of evil in the world are proceeding at a frantic pace.  However, I know this not because of any websites telling me so, but because I can feel it just the same as a dog can hear a dog whistle, or a cat can tell when its pregnant owner is going to deliver.  No, I'm not psychic, it's just that obvious.  Yes, bad stuff is coming.  But we need look no further than our history books to tell us that.

We, of all people, need to remember that we are in God's hands, and no one else's.  No one can steal power from God.  Don't grieve the Holy Spirit by fretting over which conspiracy theory is "the one"--our faith tells us to place all our trust in Him, and Him alone.  To do otherwise is to sin against the Holy Spirit, is it not?

After all, if even a fraction of what this...erm...gentleman...says is true, then He will likely be your only salvation.

Trust not in iniquity, and cover not robberies: if riches abound, set not your heart upon them.
God hath spoken once, these two things have I heard, that power belongeth to God,
And mercy to thee, O Lord; for thou wilt render to every man according to his works.  (Ps. 61: 11-13)
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: Vandaler on November 11, 2009, 06:40:35 AM
Quote from: gladius_veritatis
Ukraine Declares Martial Law - Due to Plague Outbreak

From Article:

The Ukranian President Victor Yushchenko declared martial law yesterday and announced the National Security and Defense Council will become the supreme ruling authority following the rise of a new pneumonic plague outbreak.


Nothing corroborates this unsigned, undated article.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 11, 2009, 06:50:08 AM
Quote from: lthngsbrtnbtfl
After all, if even a fraction of what this...erm...gentleman...says is true, then He will likely be your only salvation.


Agreed.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 11, 2009, 06:51:47 AM
Quote from: lthngsbrtnbtfl
However, I know this not because of any websites telling me so, but because I can feel it just the same as a dog can hear a dog whistle, or a cat can tell when its pregnant owner is going to deliver.  No, I'm not psychic, it's just that obvious.  Yes, bad stuff is coming.


Also agreed.  Well said.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 11, 2009, 06:27:06 PM
http://baltimorechronicle.com/2009/111109Lendman.shtml
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: Elizabeth on November 11, 2009, 07:01:30 PM
good old Baltimore!
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 12, 2009, 08:14:26 AM
Suspected Hemorrhagic Pneumonia
Outbreak Hits Ukraine

By Stephen Lendman
11-11-9
 
On October 29, the Australian web site zik.com.ua reported that:
 
"Western Ukraine was hit by a severe epidemic of unidentified influenza, tentatively diagnosed by doctors as viral pneumonia. The number of dead has climbed dramatically. Doctors advise Western Ukrainians to stay home and use preventive medicine."
 
On October 30, Jane Burgermeister's theflu.com reported that:
 
"More than 30 people have died in the Ukraine as a result of a mysterious new virus that has an affinity for the lungs," according to Swiss reports. Ukraine's Health Ministry said the virus' origin is unknown and showed "no signs of mutating to become more virulent." So far, 40,000 people were reported sick and 951 hospitalized.
 
On October 30, healthfreedomalliance.org reported that Ukraine's Health Minister, Vasyl Knyazevych, said two laboratories diagnosed 11 of 33 samples tested as "highly influenza A/H1N1." As a result, he considered declaring a nationwide quarantine, even though western areas alone were affected.
 
Since October 19, 30 deaths, including one child, from "acute respiratory infections," were reported, at first called SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome, a serious form of pneumonia caused by a virus). Influenza A virus affects birds and some mammals like pigs.
 
WTO Fear Mongering
 
The WTO says Swine Flu is similar to seasonal strains. Most cases are mild, and many people recover unaided. Yet it called the virus "unstoppable" and, on June 11, declared its highest phase 6 alert, saying: "The world is now at the start of the 2009 influenza pandemic." On July 13, it stopped just short of mandating mass vaccinations to halt the pandemic's spread.
 
On its November 1 "Pandemic (H1N1) 2009" update, it said "more than 199 countries and overseas territories/communities have reported laboratory confirmed cases of pandemic influenza H1N1 2009, including over 6,000 deaths."
 
On November 3, it reported the outbreak in Ukraine, "confirmed (as) H1N1 (based on) samples taken from patients in two of the most affected regions," and concluded that "most (Ukraine influenza) cases are caused by the H1N1 virus.
 
Infectious disease expert, Dr. Donald Lau, disagrees, saying:
 
"The statistical probability of this being the same H1N1 virus (is) infinitesimally small." He believes a highly virulent new strain is to blame. Public health authority, Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz sees a deadly connection between governments and the drug cartel over dangerous, toxic vaccines. On You Tube, he recently warned that:
 
"These vaccinations contain highly unstable viruses that easily mutate, because they are 'live active' laboratory mutants that are being administered....People shed these 'live' viruses up to three weeks following vaccination. That means if you haven't been vaccinated, and you get near someone who has and then sneezes, you can get their H1N1 laboratory infection."
 
He explained that anyone contracting H1N1, from vaccinations or other Swine Flu-infected persons, risks combining it with other internal or environmental viruses, creating a lethal mix that can kill. He expressed great concern about vaccines used to transmit dangerous viruses, capable of mutating into deadly ones, believes this may be happening in Ukraine, and thinks America and other nations may be next.
 
Ukraine Reports of Overhead Aerosol Spraying
 
On October 31, Kiev newspaper editors got dozens of calls about light planes doing aerosol spraying during the day. In refuting the claims, the district's Emergency Response office said "no permission had been granted for small aviation aircraft to fly within the city limits." Yet eye-witness accounts from Lviv, Ternopil, and other Ukraine cities said the same thing.
 
On November 8, the South African web site fto.co.za reported that last June 26:
 
"Suspicious aircraft were forced to land. A US operated (Russian-made long-range heavy transport) AN-124 changed its call sign from civilian to military which then triggered a response from the IAF (Indian Air Force) upon entering Pakistani air space (forcing) the plane to land in Mumbai while (a) second one was forced down by Nigerian fighter jets that also arrested the crew."
 
"According to reports, China's People's Liberation Army Air Force contacted the Indian and Nigerian intelligence officials about the presence of these US operated Ukrainian aircraft amidst growing concern that the United States was spreading 'biological agents' in the Earth's atmosphere, which some Chinese officials believed to be an attempt to (commit) mass genocide via the spread of H1N1 swine flu."
 
These aircraft "were carrying 'waste disposal' systems that could spray up to 45,000kg (nearly 100,000 pounds) of aerial type mist from sophisticated....nano pipes" in the planes' wings - called chemtrails.
"Then last week, (aircraft) sprayed (an unknown) substance over Ukraine days before the (mysterious) plague outbreak."
 
Quarantine and Martial Law Declared
 
On October 30, president Viktor Yushchenko quarantined nine regions, ordered mobile military hospitals established throughout the country, and was expected to declare martial law. Reports from western Ukraine said a "severe outbreak of UNIDENTIFIED Influenza, (is) suspected by doctors to be a form of viral pneumonia."
 
On November 4, in a nationwide address, Yushchenko cited:
 
-- an "emergency epidemic situation in the country," caused by "infections of viral origin, including A/H1N1 flu (that are) rapidly spreading across Ukraine;"
 
-- "People are dying; the epidemic is killing doctors;"
 
-- "three pathogens of viral infections came to Ukraine at the same time: two of them are seasonal flu and the third is the A/H1N1; according to virologists, such a combination of infections due to mutation may produce a new, even more aggressive virus;"
 
-- "It is generally known that the only way to prevent any infection is vaccination;" Dr. Viera Scheibner, the world's foremost vaccine expert, calls it the worst way as vaccines often cause the diseases they're designed to prevent;
 
-- "in early October," it was known that "viral infections in the west of the country" were spreading;
 
-- "The current Constitution after alterations in 2004 makes the Government solely responsible for conducting state healthcare policy....(by) my decree I put" the National Security and Defense Council (in charge) of decision-making;"
 
-- "Failure to comply with its orders will immediately result in application to the law enforcement authorities."
 
In other words, Yushchenko declared martial law. He also ordered a crackdown on political protests, the arrest of public health officials opposed to mass Swine Flu vaccinations and quarantines, arrests of anyone not complying, and a ban on all infection medicines except Swine Flu vaccines.
 
By November 6, Deputy Health Minister, Zinovy Mytnyk, said "633,877 people (were) suffering from flu and acute respiratory infections," and "95" had died.
 
On November 7, healthfreedomalliance.org updated the totals to "871,037 Influenza/ARI (acute respiratory infection) cases, 39,603 hospitalized, and 135 deaths, and asked if Baxter released a bioweapon in Ukraine, saying "Evidence appears to suggest" it. It cited a February 24 bloomberg.com report that "Baxter Sent Bird Flu Virus to European Labs by Error (containing) contaminated (virus) samples...."
 
The problem was discovered when inoculated ferrets in a Czech lab died. Austrian health minister, Sigrid Rosenberger, confirmed that Baxter supplied batches "infected with a bird flu virus." Company spokesperson, Christopher Bona, blamed "human error." Others were skeptical, including Austrian journalist Jane Burgermeister.
 
On June 10, she filed sweeping criminal charges with the FBI in addition to earlier April 8 ones with the Vienna State Prosecutor's Office against Baxter AG, Baxter International and Avir Green Hill Biotechnology AG, "for manufacturing, disseminating, and releasing a biological weapon of mass destruction on Austrian soil between December 2008 and February 2009 with the intention of causing a global bird flu pandemic virus and of intending to profit from that same pandemic in an act that violates laws on international organised crime and genocide."
 
Baxter operates Biosafety Level 3 (BLS-3) labs that take strict precautions to assure against accidental H3N2 (human influenza) and H5N1 (bird flu) co-mingling contamination. Letting it happen suggests something more nefarious than an accident.
 
BLS-3 personnel are trained in handling pathogenic and potentially lethal agents and are supervised by competent, experienced scientists. In addition, these labs have specially engineered design features for added safety.
 
By combining H3N2 and H5N1 viruses, "Baxter produced a highly dangerous biological weapon with a 63 per cent mortality rate. The H5N1 virus is restricted in its human-to-human transmissibility, especially because it is less airborne."
 
"However when....combined with seasonal flu viruses (easily transmitted by air), a new flu virus is created which is unknown to the human immune system and which will have a severe impact on an unprotected population. A deadly virus of this kind could spread around the world in a short time and (potentially) infect millions (or) even billions of people."
 
Baxter (via Avir) "distributed (72 kilos of) contaminated (live bird flu) vaccines using false concealment and false labels to 16 laboratories in Austria and....other countries at the end of January/beginning of February, potentially infecting at least 36-37 laboratory staff, who (were) treated preventively for bird flu and ordinary flu." On the same day, 18 Avir employees were as well at Vienna's Otto Wagner Hospital.
 
Burgermeister cited a Baxter-Avir 2006 contract with Austria's Health Ministry for 16 million vaccine doses in case a bird flu pandemic was declared. This "laboratory incident shows that national and international authorities are not able to fulfill their obligations to ensure the safety of the Austrian people," and indicates they engaged in a cover-up.
 
"If a pharmaceutical company can breach laws - and almost trigger a bird flu pandemic, which (potentially could spread worldwide) - without being made accountable for it....then there is, de facto, no rule of law on Austrian territory."
 
She also contends that Baxter's production system, "namely, the use of 1200 liter bioreactors and vero cell technology," meets "the technical criteria to be classified as a secret dual purpose large-scale bioweapon production facility (able to produce) a huge amount of contaminated vaccine material....rapidly."
 
"If (this) material were added to the 1200 liter bioreactors, it would replicate and infect the entire batch of vaccine material in (it). Contaminated material could (then) be distributed among sections of the population using false labels and secretly marked batches (able to) infect millions of people."
 
Burgermeister accused high-level Austrian Health and other Ministry officials of knowledge and support of this practice. Otherwise, controls would have prevented it. In June, she named drug producers Baxter, Novartis and Sanofi Aventis; world agencies, including the WHO, UN, and CDC; and high-level officials in Austria, other European countries, and America.
 
Did Baxter Release a Bioweapon in Ukraine?
 
Baxter has a facility in Ukraine. Given the above evidence, it may be behind the current outbreak. A November 1 David Rothscum infowars.com article headlined: "Has Baxter International released a biological weapon," in citing an earlier Huffington Post report on a man named Joseph Moshe, a Mossad biological warfare expert. True or not, he warned, on an August radio program, about "a biological weapon....being made by Baxter International('s Ukraine facility) that would be spread through vaccine and would cause a plague upon its release." Having reported this two months before the outbreak lends credence to his story.
 
In August, Ukraine was almost influenza free. On October 30, earthtimes.org said only two cases of Swine Flu had been reported. According to fto.co.za, on March 26, reports were that "thousands of Ukrainians refused" to be vaccinated, because of fears about "diphtheria, mumps, polio, hepatitis B, tuberculosis, (and) whooping cough among others. Health officials said (this) could lead to disease outbreaks...." Perhaps unleashing a "biological weapon" is how to convince them and millions elsewhere.
 
Rothscum confirmed Moshe's credentials, noting that "massive numbers of microbiologists have been dying bizarre deaths." Among them:
 
-- Stephen Lagakos, Professor of Biostatistics and AIDS researcher at Harvard's School of Public Health, died in an October auto collision;
 
-- Malcolm Casadaban, reknown molecular geneticist, died of plague in September;
 
-- Wallace Pannier, noted germ warfare scientist, died in August of respiratory failure;
 
-- August "Gus" Watanabe, former Eli Lilly and Company Executive Vice President of Science and Technology and former head of its Research Laboratories, died of apparent self-inflicted wounds from a .38-caliber handgun; a note left behind cited depression over his daughter's death;
 
-- Caroline Coffey, Cornell University post-doctoral biomedicine researcher, died in June from massive cuts to her throat; and
 
-- Nasser Talebzadeh Ordoubadi, a Mind-Body-Quantum medicine pioneer and discoverer of an antitoxin treatment for bioweapons, died in February of "suspicious" causes.
 
On November 7, theflucase.com asked:
 
Is the Ukraine outbreak "the plague? A mutated virus? Or is the plague the cover for introducing a mutated virus?" Citing the South African web site fto.co.za., it wondered if the Ukraine Swine Flu strain "might have mutated (to) pneumonic plague."
 
It reported Ukraine's Deputy Minister of Health saying his nation has a different H1N1 strain than the rest of the world because of how many were infected so fast. Other officials disagree and suggest this one may have mutated to something else because it "has a much bigger rate of filling the lungs with blood....The plague or virus in the Ukraine has 10 times the mortality rate (attributed to) normal swine flu."
 
However, unconfirmed reports are that "people are going on as normal....they also say this is fear mongering" to promote voluntary vaccinations. "Everyone is waiting for the gene sequences which will confirm whether this has been hyped up, a real mutated H1N1, or just bad (Ukraine) health services." Perhaps exaggerated illness and death reports to stoke fear and be a pretext for what followed.
 
Ukraine is now under martial law. Civil liberties are suspended. By government edict, anyone may be criminally prosecuted. Scheduled January elections may be delayed or cancelled. Public demonstrations are banned. Political opponents are prohibited from traveling in quarantined areas. Borders are partially closed. Mandated vaccinations are coming. WHO fear-mongering is hyping the danger. A month before the outbreak, it took part in a bioterrorism plague exercise. On November 7, Lake of the Hills, IL police conducted their own against pneumonic plague as part of the McHenry County Department of Health's emergency planning.
 
Burgermeister suggests that Baxter, the:
 
"WTO and the international corporate crime syndicate that funds them may have decided they could go ahead with their plan to trigger a pandemic in Europe and the USA because the public awareness of the dangers of the vaccine has become too great, not least as a result of WHO and Baxter being caught contaminating 72 kilos of vaccine material with the live bird flu virus in February."
 
Opposition to Vaccinations in Europe
 
Across the continent, opposition is widespread. Few are showing up to get it. On November 7 in Paris, a public demonstration against them was held. As of November 5, less than 0.1% of the French population was inoculated despite a mass vaccination campaign. 90% of Greek health workers oppose them. Reports from Portugal say vaccine centers are nearly empty, and doctors and nurses won't take them. Sources expect a "revolution" if they're mandated.
 
A mid-October Der Spiegel article reported an "open rebellion" among general medical professionals and child physicians across Germany over dangerous Swine Flu vaccines. Dieter Ludwig, drug commission chairman of the German medical profession, said health authorities colluded with drug companies to promote them.
 
In Denmark, most public officials and healthcare workers won't take them, citing the danger and saying H1N1 is no different from seasonal flu. Throughout Scandinavia, sentiment is the same with up to 75% opposition. In Sweden, as few as several thousand have gotten them. Across the continent also, in the Netherlands, Spain, Belgium and elsewhere. Also large segments of the US, Canadian and UK populations voice strong opposition. Open protests are occurring in Austria. In other countries as well. Millions know the toxicity and won't touch them. Ukraine's outbreak may be a counteroffensive to force them, first there, then globally.
 
Ukraine Outbreak Spreads
 
On November 6, innworldreport.net headlined, "Pneumonic Plague Outbreak in China Follows Outbreak in Ukraine." The town of Ziketan (population 10,000) reported two deaths and a dozen others infected. The "area inside a 17-mile radius" was quarantined to contain it. The "highly contagious disease, one of the most virulent and deadly diseases on earth, (is) usually fatal within 24 hours. It attacks the lungs and kills nearly everyone who catches it unless treated rapidly with antibiotics."
 
On the same day, Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko called the panic over Swine Flu artificially created by drug companies. He urged people not to panic, and said authorities are monitoring the situation in neighboring Ukraine. Ten deaths were reported in the Minsk, "preceded by flu-like symptoms."
 
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty disseminates US propaganda in 20 countries, including Russia, Ukraine, Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan. On November 4, it headlined, "Swine Flu Fears Spread from Ukraine to Afghanistan," then reported, true or false, incidences showing up in Iran, Belarus, Turkmenistan, Serbia, and other Balkan countries. "Afghanistan has declared a nationwide public health emergency and closed all educational institutes for three weeks."
 
On November 2, the Chinese web site sina.com reported that authorities in a southeast Bulgarian district declared an A/H1N1 epidemic, according to local media accounts. The "sick rate" rose "to 200 per 10,000 people," and in some towns is approaching epidemic levels. A later report said 210 per 10,000. Two deaths were reported, and Bulgaria's chief health expert, Tencho Tenev, said "at least two million Bulgarians, or 30 percent of (the) population, could become infected with the flu virus over the coming months."
 
On November 9, thebirdflupandemic.com headlined, "Russia, Belarus and Bulgaria On The Verge Of A Flu Epidemic As Cases In Ukraine Near 1 Million."
 
Same day Ukraine reports said 1,031,597 people are sick with flu-like symptoms, 52,742 have been hospitalized, and 174 people have died. On November 6, Russia's Chief Health Official, Gennady Onishchenko, said most regions in the country "are on the verge of a flu epidemic."
 
"Disturbing reports are beginning to surface in western Europe. In Austria, special army units based in Korneuburg (where Baxter's facilities are located), have been conducting pandemic emergency exercises and quarantining patients in hospitals. Are they expecting something to happen?"
 
WHO "Whole-of-Society Pandemic Readiness Guidelines for Pandemic Preparedness and Response in the Non-Health Sectors"
 
Prepared in April 2009, the same month Swine Flu was reported in Mexico, it was revised in July and now easily accessed coincidently with the Ukraine outbreak. Its aim is:
 
"to prepare the whole of society, beyond the health sector, for pandemic influenza....including public and private sector organizations and essential services."
 
The flucase.com says it "outlines how WHO will take over a country's essential services, including water and sanitation; fuel and energy; food; health care; telecommunications; finance; law and order; education; and transportation under the pretext of a pandemic emergency."
 
The "guidelines" state:
 
"National inter-ministerial pandemic preparedness committees should map out the central government's roles, responsibilities, and chain of command and designate lead agencies," answerable to the WHO that's perhaps enforceable during a "health emergency." It may work like this.
 
Vaccine law attorney, Alan G. Phillips says:
 
"....underlying laws.... allow states to mandate vaccines in an emergency....throw out exemptions, (and) impose quarantines and isolation outside of our homes."
 
US laws are similar. They can mandate vaccinations and let states isolate and quarantine influenza victims if authorities call the disease infectious and life-threatening. Under the 2006 Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness (PREP) Act, the HHS Secretary may declare any disease an epidemic or national emergency requiring mandatory vaccinations, quarantine, or other protective measures. It's a short step to empowering WHO with authority over most nations in short order.
 
Its "guidelines" also want Defense Ministries to designate military assets to enforce vaccinations and quarantines under pandemic conditions. They also say:
 
"Ministries of Justice should consider what legal processes could be suspended during the pandemic and make alternate plans to operate courts" while it continues.
 
According to theflucase.com:
 
"leaked (French) documents show that the Minister of Justice has ordered the suspension of the most basic rights, and people can be incarcerated for up to six months without having to appear before a judge in a pandemic emergency."
 
Might America and other nations order similar measures under a "pandemic emergency," real or bogus.
 
Internal 2006 IBM Document Reveals Advance Knowledge of a Planned Pandemic
 
Titled, "Services & Global Procurement pan IOT Europe, Pandemic Plan Overview," it was distributed to upper-level management in France. It predicted a "100% chance (of a) planned (pandemic) occurring within the next 5 years," covering quarantines and operational procedures to be taken after an official WTO announcement. This document suggests what many believe - that governments and the drug cartel, in collusion with the WTO, orchestrated the current crisis, choosing Ukraine as the lead target. The situation there deserves close monitoring because of what may happen globally.
 
Advance Pandemic Warning and Early Preparations
 
Replikins, Ltd. is a small Boston-based biotech firm that "develops and markets....predictive products and vaccines....based upon the company's discovery of Replikins, a new group of peptides related to the rapid replication function in viral and other diseases (capable of) predicting the emergence of virulent strains of particular diseases."
 
On April 7, 2008, a year before the reported Mexican H1N1 outbreak, it published a "FluForecast" stating the following:
 
"Replikins, Ltd. has found that the Replikin Count of the H1N1 strain of influenza virus has recently increased to 7.6 (plus/minus 1.4), its highest level since the 1918 H1N1 pandemic....A rising Replikin Count of a particular influenza strain, indicating the rapid replication of the virus, is an early warning which has been followed consistently by an outbreak of a specific strain. The current increase appears to be specific to H1N1; there was a concurrent 80% decline in the Replikin Count of (seasonal) H3N2, for instance."
 
"The current H1N1 appears to be rapidly replicating simultaneously in the US and Austria....However, the same virus replikin structures detected by FluForecast software in all three previous pandemics, namely 1918 H1N1, 1957 H2N2, and 1968 H3N2, as well as in H5N1 (Avian Flu), have not yet been detected in the currently evolving H1N1."
 
In an October 24, 2007 press release, the US Treasury Department discussed the "preliminary results of the industry-wide pandemic flu exercise....More than 2,700 organizations registered to participate anonymously (which) began in September and ran for three weeks." Involved were banks, insurance companies, securities firms and exchanges, and state and federal regulators.
 
"The exercise simulated a pandemic wave with a peak absenteeism rate of 49 percent....President Bush directed Treasury in May 2006 to coordinate with the banking and finance sector to better prepare its response to a pandemic crisis."
 
On December 12, 2007, FEMA Region I (for New England) hosted a joint federal-state exercise "to strengthen contingency plans for an influenza pandemic. Operation PANEX 07 is the first functional exercise of its type in this country designed to determine best practices for a coordinated multi-agency response to an outbreak."
 
Participating agencies included the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), Health and Human Services (HHS), and Defense (DOD) "in partnership with their counterparts in the six New England states."
 
On July 28, 2009, CNN reported that the Pentagon will "establish regional teams of military personnel to assist civilian authorities in the event of a significant outbreak of the H1N1 virus this fall, according to Defense Department officials....The plan calls for military task forces to work in conjunction with (FEMA)."
 
Consider the implications. On October 23, Obama declared a H1N1 national emergency. The Pentagon will be in charge if conditions warrant it. Civil liberties may be suspended. Martial law may be declared. Mandatory toxic, dangerous vaccinations may be ordered, known to cause auto immune diseases ranging from annoying to debilitating to life-theatening. The situation in Ukraine bears watching. It may signal what's soon heading everywhere.
 
Stephen Lendman is a Research Associate of the Centre for Research on Globalization.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: lthngsbrtnbtfl on November 16, 2009, 09:35:55 AM
...still don't know what to make of this...finally a report in the mainstream media, but it still sounds a little off...

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/140492/Million-hit-by-plague-worse-than-swine-flu-

Now that it's been a little while, it would appear that the numbers are stabilizing...?  So IF the latest numbers are correct--1.3 million affected, 282 dead, then we're only talking about a .02% mortality rate.  It's hardly going to wipe out 2/3 of the population at that rate.

So again, either the official numbers are incorrect, or this isn't really as scary as some people are making it out to be.

And what motivation would they have to underreport the deaths, if the popular thing to do is hyperventilate?

As for the black lungs, it should be kept in mind that in Europe, they smoke like there's no tomorrow...?

I mean, it sounds really horrific for those who have truly suffered from it, but unless there's a huge discrepancy in the numbers, this seems like almost a non-issue.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 16, 2009, 10:00:27 AM
Quote from: lthngsbrtnbtfl
So again, either the official numbers are incorrect, or this isn't really as scary as some people are making it out to be...


It could be BOTH, it could be NEITHER.  Time alone will tell.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 17, 2009, 09:38:37 PM
http://www.europebusines.blogspot.com/

BREAKING NEWS: Joseph Moshe, the dual national (Israeli-American) Mossad biowar expert, who was attacked and seized by Federal Agents and LAPD in mid-August in California, after speaking to Dr. True Ott on his national radio show and warning of a plot by Baxter International to spread a Plague from Baxter's Ukrainian lab, IS BEING HELD IN THE PATTON STATE MENTAL HOSPITAL IN CALIFORNIA. Next Court Date is 01/25/2010. This is right out of the old Soviet Union, throw someone in a mental hospital to keep them out of sight for a long time...

My comment: Such a response is a good indicator that what he said was true.
Title: Ukrainian Plague - pandemic to watch
Post by: gladius_veritatis on November 17, 2009, 09:39:51 PM
http://thisistheendoftheworldasweknowit.com/archives/parainfluenza-1918-spanish-flu-a-virulent-mutation-of-h1n1-swine-flu-the-mystery-ukraine-plague-continues-to-spread-as-questions-grow