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Quote from: Belloc

guess we can chuck  John 14:6

Why not?  You've already chucked St. John 3:5, St. Mark 16:16 and Galatians 1:8-9.

Sir, I have "Chucked" nothing, it is you sitting on your little sofa-throne at home that has used your own judgment and ambigous twisting to determine-on your own-we have no Pope and unlike Glaudus and other Sedes that makes some sense, think we have not had one in-what is it-100 yrs?? or have you "chucked" other Popes now,.,,,maybe Pius X you did not like, can twist around to exclude him..hell, Peter denied Christ, might as well chuck him too......unlike you, sire, I do not chuck scripture.....how dare you!!!!!! You are little more than a heretic, sitting on your self-appointed throne like Luther.....obviously, you can neither understand nor read scripture.......

Question, how can the  Pope reveal in 1960 the 3rd secret of Fatima if we have no Pope? is Mary not as smart as you? Was she lying? Was Fatima a hoax then?

other sedes-have no problems with you, just the self named "Martyr"...martyr is his own head.....

In private email, you said I lacked charity-I have no charity for the likes of you......least we sin, perhaps we should avoid talking to each other,yes?.....

Quote from: Belloc

guess we can chuck  John 14:6

Why not?  You've already chucked St. John 3:5, St. Mark 16:16 and Galatians 1:8-9.

lets look at your quotes:
John 3:5 Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Did I say water baptism is not necessary? Nope, but how then do you explain martyr #40 on the lake noted in previous posts? or the thief on the cross? Plenty of other examples out there.......point, neither man was water baptized, yet our Lord does not confine himself to sacrements, but can save with or without them if He chooses to......He choses, not you.

16 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned

Again, no discrepancy......Lord does not say one is condemed if water baptism is not available......one can beleive and not be baptized...do you speak for the Lord in confining him to sacrements, can he-the Lord of all, operate outside them if He and He alone chooses to???

You seem to thinks that any deviation from water will let loose a flood gate if people just giving up on baptism-a all or nothing approach so common in thinking of Prots, who minimize and shrink the Lord......no Catholic worthy of the anme would say one can avoid baptism, but no true Catholic would confine the Lord to his own sacrements, placing him in a box He cannot operate outside of..

8.But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. 9 As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema

How then do I do this? I reject V2 and modernism, but I also reject your self appointed Gospel.......guess then you alone interpret scripture? you alone are righteous? Again, this is where Traditionalists (though CM is not one at all, really) go astray......they become a "me alone" Catholic, me alone are righteous.......spell out where I accept another Gospel? What is the particulars of said Gospel? After all, I trust Christ in Mt 16, that He provides leaders for His Church, not that we have wandered for an amazing century without any (most of clergy, if not all, are dead  that are pre-B15, a "heretic" to you). Sedes liek G-V know better and at least have some sense in their arguements......they know there are clergy still out there leading......you also seem to ignore:

2Peter 15 And I will endeavour, that you frequently have after my decease, whereby you may keep a memory of these things. 16 For we have not by following artificial fables, made known to you the power, and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ; but we were eyewitnesses of his greatness...

Peter insured papal and ecclessial succession to lead after his pending death.......ooops, that s right, before it is over,Peter will be an anti-Pope to you, though I predict you will be Protestant by then or athiest.....you are down that road now very well.......

So, though you quote scripture, you do not understand, nor have you really proved a point....I for one have and have wasted precious time.......my offer stands-we part coimpany and avoid each other.....or we continue these discussions, wasted a lot of time and commit sin or at least, near occasions.....up to you.....???