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Offline Endeavor

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Trying to find answers
« on: February 24, 2020, 11:35:57 AM »
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  • This Sunday, our priest, Father James Kosek, announced he would no longer be saying Mass for us at our current location in Homer Glen, IL. He was initially under Bishop Oliver Oravec and, after his death, was under Bishop Jose Rodriguez from Mexico. Father Kosek said he found a Cardinal in Italy, and he would be under him now, but he would still say Mass in the U.S.A.
    We did ask him the name of this Cardinal, and he answered that it was none of our business.
    As you can imagine, this news has upset all who attend his Mass here in Illinois as well as those who attend the Mass he says in Pensacola, FL.
    The question I have is, is anyone on Cathinfo familiar with who this Cardinal could be? We need to trace who ordained him and who consecrated him. Father Kosek's reluctance to tell us this information is alarming.
    Thank you


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    Re: Trying to find answers
    « Reply #1 on: February 24, 2020, 12:39:20 PM »
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  • Is this priest Resistance/SSPX?  Also, if it's a Cardinal wouldn't that suggest he is going Novus Ordo?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Trying to find answers
    « Reply #2 on: February 24, 2020, 01:09:09 PM »
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  • I don't know. Perhaps that is the reason for Father Kosek's secrecy. It is a sad situation for many who attend his Mass. Some have been attending for close to twenty years. For them, the thought of finding a priest is overwhelming. There is a possibility Father Francis Miller may say the Mass for those in Florida. 
    This Italian Cardinal may be a sedevacantist.

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    Re: Trying to find answers
    « Reply #3 on: February 24, 2020, 01:14:52 PM »
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  • Is this priest Resistance/SSPX?  Also, if it's a Cardinal wouldn't that suggest he is going Novus Ordo?
    This priest was connected to the CMRI.
    I would be concerned about an unnamed "Cardinal in Italy". Under what circuмstances would a mainstream bishop-cardinal "sponsor' him and let him continue doing what he's doing?

    Could be this guy: http://www.rutherfordjohnson.org

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    Re: Trying to find answers
    « Reply #4 on: February 24, 2020, 01:40:30 PM »
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  • This priest was connected to the CMRI.
    I would be concerned about an unnamed "Cardinal in Italy". Under what circuмstances would a mainstream bishop-cardinal "sponsor' him and let him continue doing what he's doing?

    Could be this guy: http://www.rutherfordjohnson.org
    I have never heard of a Cardinal outside of the Novus Ordo. I dont' understand who this Rutherord Johnson guy is.

    If it is a Novus Ordo Cardinal, then no, he would not support this priest as a sedevacantist/CMRI (or Resistance for that matter) priest.  If it is a Novus Ordo "cardinal" (ie. "bishop"), I suspect that the poor priest has returned to the Novus Ordo sect's vomit.  
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Trying to find answers
    « Reply #5 on: February 24, 2020, 02:12:42 PM »
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  • Stanley, Father Kosek did teach at the C.M.R.I., but he was not a priest or religious. 
    He also said this Cardinal was elderly. We have decided to avoid James Kosek and this mystery Cardinal. Father Francis Miller received his ordination through Bishop Vezelis and now is under Bishop Daniel Dolan.

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    Re: Trying to find answers
    « Reply #6 on: February 24, 2020, 02:21:48 PM »
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  • I have never heard of a Cardinal outside of the Novus Ordo. I dont' understand who this Rutherord Johnson guy is.

    If it is a Novus Ordo Cardinal, then no, he would not support this priest as a sedevacantist/CMRI (or Resistance for that matter) priest.  If it is a Novus Ordo "cardinal" (ie. "bishop"), I suspect that the poor priest has returned to the Novus Ordo sect's vomit.  
    I came across a "Pope" Linus II, as well as a group under Bishop Geert Stuyver. Perhaps this "Cardina" is with them. I use "Cardinal" because I have no idea who he really is.
    Father James Kosek performed exorcisms, receiving his authority from Bishop Robert McKenna. Sadly, Father Kosek also said that he now doubts the late Bishop McKenna's authority.

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    Re: Trying to find answers
    « Reply #7 on: February 24, 2020, 02:23:12 PM »
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  • I have never heard of a Cardinal outside of the Novus Ordo. I dont' understand who this Rutherord Johnson guy is.

    If it is a Novus Ordo Cardinal, then no, he would not support this priest as a sedevacantist/CMRI (or Resistance for that matter) priest.  If it is a Novus Ordo "cardinal" (ie. "bishop"), I suspect that the poor priest has returned to the Novus Ordo sect's vomit.  
    "Cardinal" Ruthford is an international explorer, humanitarian, author, economics expert, and everything else, you name , he did it. If you though  "Bishop" Moran was special, well take a look at this:

    From his website:

    H.I.R.H. Count Don Rutherford Cardinal Johnson, Count of Sainte Animie serves as Anglo-Italian Imperial Patriarch, Anglican Rite Roman Catholic Church. As successor to Pope Leo X, he is the senior ecclesiastical dynast of the Patriarchal States, the titular patrimony of the See of St. Stephen comprising the historic regions of Etruria (Tuscany), Trier, Mainz, and Würzburg in the ancient Holy Roman Empire, and is heir to the Burgundian House of Arles and the Spanish Houses of Ivrea and Barcelona in Imperial Italy. The church he shepherds is a non-parochial Imperial Old Roman Catholic personal patriarchate with Anglican patrimony focused on its mandate of mission, service, and charity.

    For decades, Count Don Rutherford Cardinal Johnson has been a leader in humanitarian and charitable work on local, national, and global levels.

    As Imperial Patriarch of St. Stephen, he is primarily active in the Patriarchate's humanitarian wing, the Walsingham Guard, and through Global Ecclesial Charities. He also supports the Imperial Patriarchate's outreach ministry to Scouting.

    The Cardinal also has supported a wide variety of charitable endeavors, including children's healthcare, food banks, orphanages, shelters for battered women, the needs of veterans, cultural education, sports and athletics, children's literacy, and the arts in order to transform the lives of as many people around the world as possible for the better.
    Don Rutherford provides leadership and guidance, enabling the ministry and humanitarian work of others. He has a unique ability to identify and bring together people of diverse talents to meet charitable needs. He also believes in leading from the front and takes a hands-on approach towards service to others.

    The Cardinal has sailed on the Atlantic and Pacific coasts and inland lakes of the United States. To help inspire a passion for sailing in others, he developed a sailing training program and taught sailing programmes in the Boy Scouts of America for several years and was a certified BSA lifeguard.

    In addition, the Cardinal has been active in research on diverse topics in the equine industry ranging from the economics of valuation of horses and facilities to the history of Lipizzaner horses. His efforts have helped to promote equestrian sports, recreational riding, and preservation of equestrian history.

    In support of the humanitarian and charitable mission of the Holy Church, Count Don Rutherford Cardinal Johnson regularly attends and hosts a diverse array of events around the world to support worthy causes, raise awareness to problems, and promote solutions. Events include dinners, balls, meetings, and gatherings in Italy, the United States and Asia to promote education, the arts, health, cultural preservation, and peace and to raise money for the help of those in need. The Cardinal also hosts and participates in events in support of veterans and military history.

    Don Rutherford, journalist Dan Rather,
    and Daniel Bennett, past President of the Explorers Club.


    Don Rutherford, Archbishop Mgr. Joseph Kurtz, and Fr. Orr.


    The Count of Valais, the Count of Sainte Animie, and President George H.W. Bush.

    Don Rutherford with Fred Rogers
    on the set of Mr. Rogers Neighbourhood.


    Offline Endeavor

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    Re: Trying to find answers
    « Reply #8 on: February 24, 2020, 02:51:35 PM »
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  • He even visited The Neighborhood of Make-Believe. That should "Count" for something! :laugh1:

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    Re: Trying to find answers
    « Reply #9 on: February 24, 2020, 02:52:18 PM »
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  • "Cardinal" Ruthford is an international explorer, humanitarian, author, economics expert, and everything else, you name , he did it. If you though  "Bishop" Moran was special, well take a look at this:

    From his website:

    H.I.R.H. Count Don Rutherford Cardinal Johnson, Count of Sainte Animie serves as Anglo-Italian Imperial Patriarch, Anglican Rite Roman Catholic Church. As successor to Pope Leo X, he is the senior ecclesiastical dynast of the Patriarchal States, the titular patrimony of the See of St. Stephen comprising the historic regions of Etruria (Tuscany), Trier, Mainz, and Würzburg in the ancient Holy Roman Empire, and is heir to the Burgundian House of Arles and the Spanish Houses of Ivrea and Barcelona in Imperial Italy. The church he shepherds is a non-parochial Imperial Old Roman Catholic personal patriarchate with Anglican patrimony focused on its mandate of mission, service, and charity.

    For decades, Count Don Rutherford Cardinal Johnson has been a leader in humanitarian and charitable work on local, national, and global levels.

    As Imperial Patriarch of St. Stephen, he is primarily active in the Patriarchate's humanitarian wing, the Walsingham Guard, and through Global Ecclesial Charities. He also supports the Imperial Patriarchate's outreach ministry to Scouting.

    The Cardinal also has supported a wide variety of charitable endeavors, including children's healthcare, food banks, orphanages, shelters for battered women, the needs of veterans, cultural education, sports and athletics, children's literacy, and the arts in order to transform the lives of as many people around the world as possible for the better.
    Don Rutherford provides leadership and guidance, enabling the ministry and humanitarian work of others. He has a unique ability to identify and bring together people of diverse talents to meet charitable needs. He also believes in leading from the front and takes a hands-on approach towards service to others.

    The Cardinal has sailed on the Atlantic and Pacific coasts and inland lakes of the United States. To help inspire a passion for sailing in others, he developed a sailing training program and taught sailing programmes in the Boy Scouts of America for several years and was a certified BSA lifeguard.

    In addition, the Cardinal has been active in research on diverse topics in the equine industry ranging from the economics of valuation of horses and facilities to the history of Lipizzaner horses. His efforts have helped to promote equestrian sports, recreational riding, and preservation of equestrian history.

    In support of the humanitarian and charitable mission of the Holy Church, Count Don Rutherford Cardinal Johnson regularly attends and hosts a diverse array of events around the world to support worthy causes, raise awareness to problems, and promote solutions. Events include dinners, balls, meetings, and gatherings in Italy, the United States and Asia to promote education, the arts, health, cultural preservation, and peace and to raise money for the help of those in need. The Cardinal also hosts and participates in events in support of veterans and military history.

    Don Rutherford, journalist Dan Rather,
    and Daniel Bennett, past President of the Explorers Club.


    Don Rutherford, Archbishop Mgr. Joseph Kurtz, and Fr. Orr.


    The Count of Valais, the Count of Sainte Animie, and President George H.W. Bush.

    Don Rutherford with Fred Rogers
    on the set of Mr. Rogers Neighbourhood.


    He’s the real deal.

    I found this on him:

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Trying to find answers
    « Reply #10 on: February 24, 2020, 02:56:03 PM »
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  •  :laugh2:


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    Re: Trying to find answers
    « Reply #11 on: February 24, 2020, 03:05:47 PM »
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  • Seems like every week, some new doubtfully ordained or consecrated priest or bishop pops up on Cathinfo (who in turn was consecrated or ordained by another doubtful bishop, and so on).

    I can’t believe how reckless some are with their salvation.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Trying to find answers
    « Reply #12 on: February 24, 2020, 03:14:09 PM »
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    Seems like every week, some new doubtfully ordained or consecrated priest or bishop pops up on Cathinfo (who in turn was consecrated or ordained by another doubtful bishop, and so on).

    I can’t believe how reckless some are with their salvation.
    Exactly! I never surprised when yet another "bishop" pops up. It would be helpful to have a lineage diagram. It should show independent bishops as well as sedevacantists.

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    Re: Trying to find answers
    « Reply #13 on: February 24, 2020, 11:44:52 PM »
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  • This Sunday, our priest, Father James Kosek, announced he would no longer be saying Mass for us at our current location in Homer Glen, IL. He was initially under Bishop Oliver Oravec and, after his death, was under Bishop Jose Rodriguez from Mexico. Father Kosek said he found a Cardinal in Italy, and he would be under him now, but he would still say Mass in the U.S.A.
    We did ask him the name of this Cardinal, and he answered that it was none of our business.
    As you can imagine, this news has upset all who attend his Mass here in Illinois as well as those who attend the Mass he says in Pensacola, FL.
    The question I have is, is anyone on Cathinfo familiar with who this Cardinal could be? We need to trace who ordained him and who consecrated him. Father Kosek's reluctance to tell us this information is alarming.
    Thank you
    If he were legitimate he should be able to tell you the name of his ordinary. 

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    Re: Trying to find answers
    « Reply #14 on: February 25, 2020, 07:13:06 AM »
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  • I would like to thank you for your responses. Now remains the task of warning others to stay clear of this situation. And lots of prayer for my friends and family. The trauma and sense of betrayal at the hands of Father James Kosek has left them vulnerable.  :'(