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« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2015, 09:47:54 AM »
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    As long as people around here are praising National Socialism, perhaps we should see what the Pope Pius XI taught in his encyclical of 14 March 1937, Mit Brennender Sorge.


    You mean the notorious liberal Pope Pius XI?  The same Pope who started the liturgical Revolution?
    That encyclical was influenced by the liberal Jewish press.  The majority of things the Pope warned against we're not official NS ideology...the encyclical was more referring to certain fringe elements within the reich,.., like Rosenberg and his supporters.  One of the main parts of the document isn't even true...the Pope says that yu shouldn't persecute Jews that have converted to Christianity, but while the official law did state that, there were 'honorary aryans' that were the few Jews who had converted to christisnity and were not Zionist commies.  So the main part the Pope condemned wasn't even true and the other things mentioned were not official ideology but only in the fringe elements.

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    « Reply #31 on: April 15, 2015, 10:32:22 AM »
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  • It was Pope Pius XI who at the request of the American masonic bishops, ordered Cristeros (via the Mexican episcopacy) to lay down their weapons and agree to the "Arreglos" (Truce) offered by the Mexican Masonic government. More Cristeros (priests included) were MURDERED after the arreglos than in the official 3 year war (1926-1929).

    Sad, sad, times.

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    « Reply #32 on: April 15, 2015, 11:11:03 AM »
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    It was Pope Pius XI who at the request of the American masonic bishops, ordered Cristeros (via the Mexican episcopacy) to lay down their weapons and agree to the "Arreglos" (Truce) offered by the Mexican Masonic government. More Cristeros (priests included) were MURDERED after the arreglos than in the official 3 year war (1926-1929).

    Sad, sad, times.



    Great example.

    Also it ought to be stated, that the encyclical is clearly nit-picking.  At this time millions of people are starving, communism is spreading, the warmongering allies are plotting....and all the Pope does is nit pick things that aren't even official teaching of the National Socialists! It is pitiful...instead the Pope should have tried to mold the Reich into more of a Catholic model, instead of critizing tiny elements of their un official ideology.  

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    « Reply #33 on: April 15, 2015, 11:14:27 AM »
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    As long as people around here are praising National Socialism, perhaps we should see what the Pope Pius XI taught in his encyclical of 14 March 1937, Mit Brennender Sorge.


    You mean the notorious liberal Pope Pius XI?  The same Pope who started the liturgical Revolution?


    And here I thought all you people blamed the notoriously liberal Pope St. Pius X for starting the liturgical revolution by changing the Breviary.

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    « Reply #34 on: April 15, 2015, 11:38:19 AM »
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    As long as people around here are praising National Socialism, perhaps we should see what the Pope Pius XI taught in his encyclical of 14 March 1937, Mit Brennender Sorge.


    You mean the notorious liberal Pope Pius XI?  The same Pope who started the liturgical Revolution?


    And here I thought all you people blamed the notoriously liberal Pope St. Pius X for starting the liturgical revolution by changing the Breviary.


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    Re: True meaning of the word "fascist"
    « Reply #35 on: December 02, 2019, 10:37:24 AM »
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  • Fascism started out in Italy as a purely anti-Communist movement.
                                           
                                             WRONG !

    Fascism was purely Marxist communism with very subtle differences in the industrial state planning and nationalist agenda.

    All of his life Benito Mussolini was a collectivist and a revolutionary Marxist socialist.

    Mussolini favoured Italy entering the war and, this, not political or ideological differences, caused the Italian Socialist Party to expell him, in 1912.

    Not only there is no evidence that Mussolini ever gave up his militance in socialism but, to the contrary, there is plenty of very tangible evidence of pure communist ideology and policies enacted in his 20 years in power: Mussolini started to nationalize industries, planned industrial production, introduced the welfare state, introduced social security, started to nationalize the health care, started to nationalize schools...

    Mussolini also met Russian Communist leaders Lenin and Trotsky while they were in exhile in Switzerland and they remarked on Mussolini's solid adherence to the communist ideology revolutionary agenda. Lenin even stated: "In Italy, comrades, in Italy, there was but a Socialist able enough to lead the people through a revolutionary path, Benito Mussolini" *.

    Lenin even sent a telegram to Mussolini to congratulate him on his political exploit when Mussolini rose to power.


                                 Fascism belongs on the left.
                                             
                                              Period.


    Mussolini opposed Italian communists only because of political power struggles, not because of ideological motives.
    We should all sart to correct this leftists fantasy that Mussolini (and Hitler) was not a pure marxist communist.

    Fascist ideology = communist ideology (with subtle differences).

    It is about time that we start to study Italian history correctly and stop misinterpreting what fascism was.

    It has been a convenient leftist, post war, propaganda to distance fascism as far as possible from communism as communism's reputation would have suffered if it had been associated with its western European peers: fascism and nazism (National Socialism).


    * As quoted in Revolutionary Fascism, Erik Norling, Lisbon, Finis Mundi Press (2011) p. 28. Lenin express this to Nicola Bombacci, during a reception in the Kremlin.
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    « Reply #36 on: December 02, 2019, 10:49:05 AM »
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  • Fascism, Socialism, Communism, Nazism, and Liberalism are all nearly identical political ideologies. The differences are primarily in their leaders. They are enemies of each other when they are simultaneously vying for power as each group desires to exercise the power.
    Perfect and very concise rendering. Well said. That is historically and factually very accurate. With the exceptin of liberalism (it has too many interpretations to be freely associated here).


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    Well that makes ZERO sense.
    Maybe to you. But that is a very accurate summary.
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    Re: True meaning of the word "fascist"
    « Reply #37 on: December 02, 2019, 10:52:48 AM »
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  • The Catholic Church teaches subsidiarity, which is the opposite of any form of totalitarianism, whether it is called Communism or Fascism.
    I agree. Not only, the Church teaches that charity must be voluntary.

    Try convincing a proper (not modernist) priest that by pointing a gun at a rich man you can obtain money to help the poor...


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    "Also, on Mussolini, I don't think you should hold him up too high as a follower of the Church.  He was staunchly anti-Church until he saw that he could use it as a motivating factor, and unifying body for Italy.  He embraced the Church out of political advantage, not because he was a true believer."

    That is correct. Mussolini was not a very good Catholic or, at least, there is no evidence, while there is evidence to the contrary in his earlier speaches at communist rallies.
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    Re: True meaning of the word "fascist"
    « Reply #38 on: December 02, 2019, 11:00:27 AM »
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  • The so called "Fascists" were the Anti-Marxist leaders.  Hitler, Franco, Mussolini and the rest of the Axis governments were anti-communist.  

    The Allies were Communism and the Axis Anti Communism.
    Wrong.

    Mussolini and fascism espoused marxist ideology and produceded pure communist, welfare policies under a strictly state regulated industry.

    Mussolini was, maybe, anti-stalin, if anything. Certainly not anti-communist. But even this representation is wrong as Mussolini and Lenin praised each other.

    It is more appropriate to say that Mussolini was an egocentric character who dreamed of Italy as a great military Nation and did not want to be left our from what he believed would have been the spoils of Hitler's war.
    He was anti-anyone who got in the way of his idea of restoring the Roman Empire. Africa, Russia, England, France... His war was not ideologically motivated.
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    « Reply #39 on: December 02, 2019, 11:15:37 AM »
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  • Obama, Hitler, And Exploding The Biggest Lie In History

    “The line between fascism and Fabian socialism is very thin. Fabian socialism is the dream. Fascism is Fabian socialism plus the inevitable dictator.” John T. Flynn

    Numerous commentators have raised alarming comparisons between America’s recent economic foibles and Argentina’s fall “from breadbasket to basket case.” The U.S. pursues a similar path with her economy increasingly ensnared under the growing nexus of government control. Resources are redistributed for vote-buying welfare schemes, patronage style earmarks, and graft by unelected bureaucrats, quid pro quo with unions, issue groups and legions of lobbyists.

    In Argentina, everyone acknowledges that fascism, state capitalism, corporatism – whatever – reflects very leftwing ideology. Eva Peron remains a liberal icon. President Obama’s Fabian policies (Keynesian economics) promise similar ends. His proposed infrastructure bank is just the latest gyration of corporatism. Why then are fascists consistently portrayed as conservatives?

    In the Thirties, intellectuals smitten by progressivism considered limited, constitutional governance anachronistic. The Great Depression had apparently proven capitalism defunct. The remaining choice had narrowed between communism and fascism. Hitler was about an inch to the right of Stalin. Western intellectuals infatuated with Marxism thus associated fascism with the Right.

    Later, Marxists from the Frankfurt School popularized this prevailing sentiment. Theodor Adorno in The Authoritarian Personality devised the “F” scale to demean conservatives as latent fascists. The label “fascist” has subsequently meant anyone liberals seek to ostracize or discredit.

    Fascism is an amorphous ideology mobilizing an entire nation (Mussolini, Franco and Peron) or race (Hitler) for a common purpose. Leaders of industry, science, education, the arts and politics combine to shepherd society in an all encompassing quest. Hitler’s premise was a pure Aryan Germany capable of dominating Europe.

    While he feinted right, Hitler and Stalin were natural bedfellows. Hitler mimicked Lenin’s path to totalitarian tyranny, parlaying crises into power. Nazis despised Marxists not over ideology, but because they had betrayed Germany in World War I and Nazis found it unconscionable that German communists yielded fealty to Slavs in Moscow.

    The National Socialist German Workers Party staged elaborate marches with uniformed workers calling one another “comrade” while toting tools the way soldiers shoulder rifles. The bright red Nazi flag symbolized socialism in a “classless, casteless” Germany (white represents Aryanism). Fascist central planning was not egalitarian, but it divvied up economic rewards very similarly to communism: party membership and partnering with the state.

    Where communists generally focused on class, Nazis fixated on race. Communists view life through the prism of a perpetual workers’ revolution. National Socialists used race as a metaphor to justify their nation’s engagement in an existential struggle.

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2011/09/01/obama-hitler-and-exploding-the-biggest-lie-in-history/
    Excellent rendition.

    Re the Frankfurt school, you may want to look at the "critical theory" and its direct, devastating effects on our Christian and conservative culture.

    Also, you may be surprised to read about "relativism" and "postmodern" ideologies. These are the natural, evil, children produced by the Frankfurt School getting in bed with post war liberalism (not pure liberalism).

    Relativism reduces all cultures, moral principles and religions on the same dignity and truth given their reciprocal contexts. It spurred off some IT research into artificial intelligence that found that, for example, a circle has different value only in its appropriate context. In the context of a car a circle is a round wheel. In the context of the sky a circle is a round sun and so forth.

    It rejected absolute truths and reduced all values to equal dignity, depending on context. Hence ecumenism.

    Postmodern ideology is the translation of the communist class struggle into a cultural struggle.

    Good post. Sorry to reactivate a one (or more) year old thread.
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