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Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: Cera on April 09, 2015, 05:55:47 PM
Obama, Hitler, And Exploding The Biggest Lie In History

“The line between fascism and Fabian socialism is very thin. Fabian socialism is the dream. Fascism is Fabian socialism plus the inevitable dictator.” John T. Flynn

Numerous commentators have raised alarming comparisons between America’s recent economic foibles and Argentina’s fall “from breadbasket to basket case.” The U.S. pursues a similar path with her economy increasingly ensnared under the growing nexus of government control. Resources are redistributed for vote-buying welfare schemes, patronage style earmarks, and graft by unelected bureaucrats, quid pro quo with unions, issue groups and legions of lobbyists.

In Argentina, everyone acknowledges that fascism, state capitalism, corporatism – whatever – reflects very leftwing ideology. Eva Peron remains a liberal icon. President Obama’s Fabian policies (Keynesian economics) promise similar ends. His proposed infrastructure bank is just the latest gyration of corporatism. Why then are fascists consistently portrayed as conservatives?

In the Thirties, intellectuals smitten by progressivism considered limited, constitutional governance anachronistic. The Great Depression had apparently proven capitalism defunct. The remaining choice had narrowed between communism and fascism. Hitler was about an inch to the right of Stalin. Western intellectuals infatuated with Marxism thus associated fascism with the Right.

Later, Marxists from the Frankfurt School popularized this prevailing sentiment. Theodor Adorno in The Authoritarian Personality devised the “F” scale to demean conservatives as latent fascists. The label “fascist” has subsequently meant anyone liberals seek to ostracize or discredit.

Fascism is an amorphous ideology mobilizing an entire nation (Mussolini, Franco and Peron) or race (Hitler) for a common purpose. Leaders of industry, science, education, the arts and politics combine to shepherd society in an all encompassing quest. Hitler’s premise was a pure Aryan Germany capable of dominating Europe.

While he feinted right, Hitler and Stalin were natural bedfellows. Hitler mimicked Lenin’s path to totalitarian tyranny, parlaying crises into power. nαzιs despised Marxists not over ideology, but because they had betrayed Germany in World War I and nαzιs found it unconscionable that German communists yielded fealty to Slavs in Moscow.

The National Socialist German Workers Party staged elaborate marches with uniformed workers calling one another “comrade” while toting tools the way soldiers shoulder rifles. The bright red nαzι flag symbolized socialism in a “classless, casteless” Germany (white represents Aryanism). Fascist central planning was not egalitarian, but it divvied up economic rewards very similarly to communism: party membership and partnering with the state.

Where communists generally focused on class, nαzιs fixated on race. Communists view life through the prism of a perpetual workers’ revolution. National Socialists used race as a metaphor to justify their nation’s engagement in an existential struggle.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2011/09/01/obama-hitler-and-exploding-the-biggest-lie-in-history/
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: Cera on April 09, 2015, 06:00:38 PM
Theodor Adorno
Theodor Adorno
Adorno
Born    Theodor Ludwig Adorno Wiesengrund
11 September 1903
Frankfurt, German Empire
Died    6 August 1969 (aged 65)
Visp, Switzerland
Nationality    Jєωιѕн
Known for    Father of Cultural Marxism
Occupation    subversive, propagandist
Organization    Frankfurt School

Theodor Ludwig Wiesengrund-Adorno✡☭ (11 September 1903 — 6 August 1969) better known as Theodor Adorno, was a communist Jєω propagandist and agitator, involved in the creation of the critical theory ideology of the New Left and Cultural Marxism as a member of the Frankfurt School. Born in Germany, he along with other Jєωιѕн degenerates such as Wilhelm Reich✡☭ and Herbert Marcuse,✡☭ invaded the United States after Germany had been liberated by the NSDAP. Perhaps the best known propaganda works of Adorno are The Authoritarian Personality, Dialectic of Enlightenment and Negative Dialectics.

Adorno was interested in perverting the aesthetics of mass culture, as a part of a social engineering strategy through criticism, particularly music. The path of so-called pop culture and its subculture associates which emerged in the 1960s, was shaped in significant part by Adorno. This converged with Marcuse's student peace movement hoax to agitate for the Viet Cong amongst other things. Some have even alleged that Adorno was involved with The Beatles through the Tavistock Institute, however this claim may not be entirely reliable.

Negating the crimes commited by communists during the Red h0Ɩ0cαųst—the extermination of at least 94 million goyim—Adorno entered the dialectic on h0Ɩ0cαųstianity and the so-called "unparalleled crimes" of "fascism". As part of a psychoanalytic Freudo-Marxian dialectic, Adorno along with fellow tribesmen at the UC Berkeley created the pseudo-scientific personality test known as the F-scale or the "authoritarian personality". This was the cornerstone of introducing political correctness into the West, as a ʝʊdɛօ-communist strategy to deconstruct gentile civiisation and weaken their evolutionary competitors.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: Capt McQuigg on April 10, 2015, 10:02:10 AM
Fascism is most certainly a form of socialism and belong under the umbrella term of "left".  It is close cousins to marxism and communism.  

Mussolini, another famous "fascist" was also the head of the Italian Socialist Party.  

What I would to see is when film highlights of Hitler speaking, instead of letting him rant in German (which is foreign to almost everyone) have the subtitles below.  He's not saying things that are all that different from the American left.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: MrYeZe on April 10, 2015, 01:55:25 PM
You got a lot of things wrong here, bud. For one thing, fascists 'did' despise Marxists ideologically due to the fact that fascism relies heavily on traditionalism and meritorious hierarchy and classism while Marxism aims to destroy all of those things.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: AlanF on April 10, 2015, 02:43:52 PM
Fascism started out in Italy as a purely anti-Communist movement. The symbolism of the Fasces is the joining together of all anti-Marxists to prevent their coming to power. The real meaning of Fascism, as applied in Mussolini's Italy, can be found in his 'The Doctrine Of Fascism' (http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm).

A few Fascist, or partly 'fascist', leaders at the time were leaders of good Catholic states, Dollfuss, Salazar, and Franco.

Hitler wasn't a Fascist, by the way, he was a National Socialist.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: Cera on April 10, 2015, 03:54:55 PM
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
Fascism is most certainly a form of socialism and belong under the umbrella term of "left".  It is close cousins to marxism and communism.  

Mussolini, another famous "fascist" was also the head of the Italian Socialist Party.  

What I would to see is when film highlights of Hitler speaking, instead of letting him rant in German (which is foreign to almost everyone) have the subtitles below.  He's not saying things that are all that different from the American left.


Yes, and both the Fascists and the Communists had an understanding. While outsiders were distrusted and not easily allowed to join either group, (for fear of infiltration), Fascists were allowed to easily join the Communists and visa versa.

Hitler called his party the National Socialist Party:
Hitler did however give the symbol his own twist when he said: "Als nationale Sozialisten sehen wir in unserer Flagge unser Programm. Im Rot sehen wir den sozialen Gedanken der Bewegung, im Weiss den nationalistischen, im Hakenkreuz die Mission des Kampfes fuer den Sieg des arischen Menschen und zugleich mit ihm auch den Sieg des Gedankens der schaffenden Arbeit" ("As National socialists we see our programme in our flag. In red we see the social thoughts of the movement, in white the nationalist thoughts, in the hooked-cross the mission of fighting for the victory of Aryan man and at the same time the victory of the concept of creative work").

. . . like his fellow totalitarians, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: MrYeZe on April 10, 2015, 08:06:02 PM
Quote from: AlanF
Fascism started out in Italy as a purely anti-Communist movement. The symbolism of the Fasces is the joining together of all anti-Marxists to prevent their coming to power. The real meaning of Fascism, as applied in Mussolini's Italy, can be found in his 'The Doctrine Of Fascism' (http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm).

A few Fascist, or partly 'fascist', leaders at the time were leaders of good Catholic states, Dollfuss, Salazar, and Franco.

Hitler wasn't a Fascist, by the way, he was a National Socialist.


Fascist and National Socialist are the same things, and while it's true that both capitalism and fascism embraced socialist economic policies, fascism did it better....as in, it didn't fail horribly, from an economic standpoint.  Also Marxism is all about a social, sɛҳuąƖ, and spiritual (or a-spiritual in this sense), class struggle, to create a caste-less, class-less, completely equal, atheistic utopia (shit-hole), while fascism is pretty much the opposite of all those things.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: MrYeZe on April 10, 2015, 08:12:33 PM
Quote from: Cera
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
Fascism is most certainly a form of socialism and belong under the umbrella term of "left".  It is close cousins to marxism and communism.  

Mussolini, another famous "fascist" was also the head of the Italian Socialist Party.  

What I would to see is when film highlights of Hitler speaking, instead of letting him rant in German (which is foreign to almost everyone) have the subtitles below.  He's not saying things that are all that different from the American left.


Yes, and both the Fascists and the Communists had an understanding. While outsiders were distrusted and not easily allowed to join either group, (for fear of infiltration), Fascists were allowed to easily join the Communists and visa versa.

Hitler called his party the National Socialist Party:
Hitler did however give the symbol his own twist when he said: "Als nationale Sozialisten sehen wir in unserer Flagge unser Programm. Im Rot sehen wir den sozialen Gedanken der Bewegung, im Weiss den nationalistischen, im Hakenkreuz die Mission des Kampfes fuer den Sieg des arischen Menschen und zugleich mit ihm auch den Sieg des Gedankens der schaffenden Arbeit" ("As National socialists we see our programme in our flag. In red we see the social thoughts of the movement, in white the nationalist thoughts, in the hooked-cross the mission of fighting for the victory of Aryan man and at the same time the victory of the concept of creative work").

. . . like his fellow totalitarians, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.


Alright, I seriously have to sort out this bad history.  Communists and fascists were not, ever, friendly.  Franco killed 500,000 people for allying themselves with communists. The nαzι Gestapo was literally an institution created to root out communists and communist sympathizers. Before Mussolini came to power, communists brutally murdered fascists in Italy, often burning them alive.  To say that they liked each other is a-historical trash.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: tdrev123 on April 11, 2015, 05:03:20 AM
There is no such thing as "fascist".  By that I mean it is a made up term to villainaze the leaders of the Axis Countries.  

The so called "Fascists" were the Anti-Marxist leaders.  Hitler, Franco, Mussolini and the rest of the Axis governments were anti-communist.  

The Allies were Communism and the Axis Anti Communism.

It really disheartens me when so many 'traditional' catholics believe in Allied War Propaganda.  I don't just mean the h0Ɩ0h0αx but I would bet most people reading this post believe that Hitler persecuted the Catholic Church.  That is utterly false, it stems from when the government decided to arrest a few hundred priests and bishops....for sodomy or rape etc...And then a small amount of others were arrested over the years for obstinately working against the regime...like helping the 'resistance' etc.  

Who was the leader who closed down all masonic lodges and repeatedly condemned them?
Who was the leader who shut down the sex shows, whore houses, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ theatre?
Who was the leader who advocated for Catholic Economic Principles?  
Who was the leader who supported traditional gender roles?
Who was the leader who banned degenerate art and modern music (jazz)?
Who was the leader who expelled the Jєωs in a humane way, like Catholic teaching says is good?
Who was the leader who said, "Our movement is a Christian One"?
Who was the leader who sacrificed himself and most of his Volk for the rest of Europe?
Who was the leader who 95% of people voted for in 1938?
Who was the leader whose social policy is completely in line with Catholicism?
Who was the leader who continually wanted Peace, who the Jєωιѕн powers dragged him into a war because of genocide against Germans in Poland?
Who was the leader who did not want to use Atomic weapons, who let go hundreds of thousands of soldiers at Dunkirk because he wanted peace?

That leader was the last Christian Crusader, Fuhrer Hitler.
(I do not mean a Saint, Matthew, I know people have been banned for saying he was or close to being a saint, I am not saying that, but that He was who the Church should have supported)


I urge everyone to read about the truth of WW2 - it doesn't end at being a h0Ɩ0cαųst denier...
For a good video, go to youtube and search 'greatest story never told' it is a good beginner docuмentary...

(http://www.tomatobubble.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/HitlerPainting.gif)

Painted by the Greatest Son of Germany
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: AlanF on April 11, 2015, 07:06:58 AM
Quote from: MrYeZe
Quote from: AlanF
Fascism started out in Italy as a purely anti-Communist movement. The symbolism of the Fasces is the joining together of all anti-Marxists to prevent their coming to power. The real meaning of Fascism, as applied in Mussolini's Italy, can be found in his 'The Doctrine Of Fascism' (http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm).

A few Fascist, or partly 'fascist', leaders at the time were leaders of good Catholic states, Dollfuss, Salazar, and Franco.

Hitler wasn't a Fascist, by the way, he was a National Socialist.


Fascist and National Socialist are the same things, and while it's true that both capitalism and fascism embraced socialist economic policies, fascism did it better....as in, it didn't fail horribly, from an economic standpoint.  Also Marxism is all about a social, sɛҳuąƖ, and spiritual (or a-spiritual in this sense), class struggle, to create a caste-less, class-less, completely equal, atheistic utopia (####-hole), while fascism is pretty much the opposite of all those things.


No, Fascism and National Socialism are not the same thing; such an idea would assume that axis leaders of the time, such as Hitler and Dollfuss, had no real disagreements.

"tdrev123" is correct when he says that that's allied war propaganda, though I disagree with him when he says "there is no such thing as "fascist." There's a point to be made there that there exists a bogeyman of "Fascism", created by our Jєωιѕн rulers after the war, which is supposedly the absolute evil that the "right wing" leads to. Though there certainly was "Fascism", Mussolini led the National Fascist Party, and called his ideas 'Fascism'.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: tdrev123 on April 11, 2015, 12:43:57 PM
Quote from: AlanF
Quote from: MrYeZe
Quote from: AlanF
Fascism started out in Italy as a purely anti-Communist movement. The symbolism of the Fasces is the joining together of all anti-Marxists to prevent their coming to power. The real meaning of Fascism, as applied in Mussolini's Italy, can be found in his 'The Doctrine Of Fascism' (http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm).

A few Fascist, or partly 'fascist', leaders at the time were leaders of good Catholic states, Dollfuss, Salazar, and Franco.

Hitler wasn't a Fascist, by the way, he was a National Socialist.


Fascist and National Socialist are the same things, and while it's true that both capitalism and fascism embraced socialist economic policies, fascism did it better....as in, it didn't fail horribly, from an economic standpoint.  Also Marxism is all about a social, sɛҳuąƖ, and spiritual (or a-spiritual in this sense), class struggle, to create a caste-less, class-less, completely equal, atheistic utopia (####-hole), while fascism is pretty much the opposite of all those things.


No, Fascism and National Socialism are not the same thing; such an idea would assume that axis leaders of the time, such as Hitler and Dollfuss, had no real disagreements.

"tdrev123" is correct when he says that that's allied war propaganda, though I disagree with him when he says "there is no such thing as "fascist." There's a point to be made there that there exists a bogeyman of "Fascism", created by our Jєωιѕн rulers after the war, which is supposedly the absolute evil that the "right wing" leads to. Though there certainly was "Fascism", Mussolini led the National Fascist Party, and called his ideas 'Fascism'.


A reason why I say that the term is not real, I mean in terms of actuality and not in usage...By that I mean the idea that there was a new 'movement' is partially wrong - I would argue that the governments described as 'fascist' have very little difference than governments that were Catholic 150 years before them -- the Monarchs lost their power, either through neglect or idiocy, and in the fight against Marxism, the citizens themselves rose up and tried to defend their people, as they lost their Monarch they had to do it themselves.  I argue that there is no need for a new term to describe them, as they were not a new movement, but the traditional one, they were fighting for Christianity and western culture, which is no different then Charlegmane or a crusader.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: clarkaim on April 11, 2015, 02:48:44 PM
Quote from: tdrev123
There is no such thing as "fascist".  By that I mean it is a made up term to villainaze the leaders of the Axis Countries.  

The so called "Fascists" were the Anti-Marxist leaders.  Hitler, Franco, Mussolini and the rest of the Axis governments were anti-communist.  

The Allies were Communism and the Axis Anti Communism.

It really disheartens me when so many 'traditional' catholics believe in Allied War Propaganda.  I don't just mean the h0Ɩ0h0αx but I would bet most people reading this post believe that Hitler persecuted the Catholic Church.  That is utterly false, it stems from when the government decided to arrest a few hundred priests and bishops....for sodomy or rape etc...And then a small amount of others were arrested over the years for obstinately working against the regime...like helping the 'resistance' etc.  

Who was the leader who closed down all masonic lodges and repeatedly condemned them?
Who was the leader who shut down the sex shows, whore houses, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ theatre?
Who was the leader who advocated for Catholic Economic Principles?  
Who was the leader who supported traditional gender roles?
Who was the leader who banned degenerate art and modern music (jazz)?
Who was the leader who expelled the Jєωs in a humane way, like Catholic teaching says is good?
Who was the leader who said, "Our movement is a Christian One"?
Who was the leader who sacrificed himself and most of his Volk for the rest of Europe?
Who was the leader who 95% of people voted for in 1938?
Who was the leader whose social policy is completely in line with Catholicism?
Who was the leader who continually wanted Peace, who the Jєωιѕн powers dragged him into a war because of genocide against Germans in Poland?
Who was the leader who did not want to use Atomic weapons, who let go hundreds of thousands of soldiers at Dunkirk because he wanted peace?

That leader was the last Christian Crusader, Fuhrer Hitler.
(I do not mean a Saint, Matthew, I know people have been banned for saying he was or close to being a saint, I am not saying that, but that He was who the Church should have supported)


I urge everyone to read about the truth of WW2 - it doesn't end at being a h0Ɩ0cαųst denier...
For a good video, go to youtube and search 'greatest story never told' it is a good beginner docuмentary...

(http://www.tomatobubble.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/HitlerPainting.gif)

Painted by the Greatest Son of Germany


I could not agree more with this post.  Adolf Hitler has become a Jєωιѕн Shiboleth.  "if you like Blue Bell Homemade Vanilla better than this fat free flavorlessdouble chocolate sinful delight, well your worse than Hitler".  Makes you wonder why after our Lord, Jєωs and their lib tards hate Hitler the 2nd most.  He's in good company I'd say.  Oh and as to fascism, it is not Socialism in the classic sense in any way.  It merely orders the state towards the common good as the Church has always taught.  Bear in mind it was Mussolini that made Catholicism the state religion and they control the schools and courts to this day in Italy.  I'd expound more but I need a nap.  Oh, my father's father (Nonno) was an actual Fascist party member and black shirt who served as an officer in the Italian army and fought in southern Russia/Ukraine.   I know a thing or two personally about "fascism"  it is NOT related to marxist working class ownership of the economy.  Any one who says so is an idioto and parlando loro culo.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on April 11, 2015, 05:33:59 PM
Quote from: MrYeZe
You got a lot of things wrong here, bud. For one thing, fascists 'did' despise Marxists ideologically due to the fact that fascism relies heavily on traditionalism and meritorious hierarchy and classism while Marxism aims to destroy all of those things.


You are correct my friend. It needs to be emphasised however that Fascism was different from a monarchy as well, since instead of a hierarchy based on class and privelage the hierarchy was instead shifted to the question of talent and performance, as you hinted in your post when you said 'meritorious hierarchy.'
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on April 11, 2015, 05:42:21 PM
Despite the name, National Socialism was definitely not your modern term of socialism today either since it was not egalitarian in "helping people." Hitler admitted to this when he said, "Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian socialism. True socialism respects private property, Marxian socialism does not," and, "It was a truly catastrophic thing to name our party a party of socialists. I say as long as a man has enough to eat, has a roof over his head, and has clothes on his back then he has his socialism."
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: AlanF on April 11, 2015, 06:03:26 PM
Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
Despite the name, National Socialism was definitely not your modern term of socialism today either since it was not egalitarian in "helping people." Hitler admitted to this when he said, "Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian socialism. True socialism respects private property, Marxian socialism does not," and, "It was a truly catastrophic thing to name our party a party of socialists. I say as long as a man has enough to eat, has a roof over his head, and has clothes on his back then he has his socialism."


In the early 20th century "socialism" as a term was more widely applied than it is today. It didn't only refer to Marxism, as it generally does today, but to anti-Marxist anti-Capitalists movements like National Socialism and Corporatism, Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera's National Syndicalism was another completely non-Marxist form of Socialism. The Distributism of Chesterton and Belloc was often described as "Guild Socialism".

Many Catholics today, especially American ones, don't know the difference and end up thinking anything that isn't Capitalism must be "Socialism".
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: MrYeZe on April 11, 2015, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: clarkaim
Quote from: tdrev123
There is no such thing as "fascist".  By that I mean it is a made up term to villainaze the leaders of the Axis Countries.  

The so called "Fascists" were the Anti-Marxist leaders.  Hitler, Franco, Mussolini and the rest of the Axis governments were anti-communist.  

The Allies were Communism and the Axis Anti Communism.

It really disheartens me when so many 'traditional' catholics believe in Allied War Propaganda.  I don't just mean the h0Ɩ0h0αx but I would bet most people reading this post believe that Hitler persecuted the Catholic Church.  That is utterly false, it stems from when the government decided to arrest a few hundred priests and bishops....for sodomy or rape etc...And then a small amount of others were arrested over the years for obstinately working against the regime...like helping the 'resistance' etc.  

Who was the leader who closed down all masonic lodges and repeatedly condemned them?
Who was the leader who shut down the sex shows, whore houses, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ theatre?
Who was the leader who advocated for Catholic Economic Principles?  
Who was the leader who supported traditional gender roles?
Who was the leader who banned degenerate art and modern music (jazz)?
Who was the leader who expelled the Jєωs in a humane way, like Catholic teaching says is good?
Who was the leader who said, "Our movement is a Christian One"?
Who was the leader who sacrificed himself and most of his Volk for the rest of Europe?
Who was the leader who 95% of people voted for in 1938?
Who was the leader whose social policy is completely in line with Catholicism?
Who was the leader who continually wanted Peace, who the Jєωιѕн powers dragged him into a war because of genocide against Germans in Poland?
Who was the leader who did not want to use Atomic weapons, who let go hundreds of thousands of soldiers at Dunkirk because he wanted peace?

That leader was the last Christian Crusader, Fuhrer Hitler.
(I do not mean a Saint, Matthew, I know people have been banned for saying he was or close to being a saint, I am not saying that, but that He was who the Church should have supported)


I urge everyone to read about the truth of WW2 - it doesn't end at being a h0Ɩ0cαųst denier...
For a good video, go to youtube and search 'greatest story never told' it is a good beginner docuмentary...

(http://www.tomatobubble.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/HitlerPainting.gif)

Painted by the Greatest Son of Germany


I could not agree more with this post.  Adolf Hitler has become a Jєωιѕн Shiboleth.  "if you like Blue Bell Homemade Vanilla better than this fat free flavorlessdouble chocolate sinful delight, well your worse than Hitler".  Makes you wonder why after our Lord, Jєωs and their lib tards hate Hitler the 2nd most.  He's in good company I'd say.  Oh and as to fascism, it is not Socialism in the classic sense in any way.  It merely orders the state towards the common good as the Church has always taught.  Bear in mind it was Mussolini that made Catholicism the state religion and they control the schools and courts to this day in Italy.  I'd expound more but I need a nap.  Oh, my father's father (Nonno) was an actual Fascist party member and black shirt who served as an officer in the Italian army and fought in southern Russia/Ukraine.   I know a thing or two personally about "fascism"  it is NOT related to marxist working class ownership of the economy.  Any one who says so is an idioto and parlando loro culo.


The only reason Adolf Hitler gets as much hate as he does is because he killed the wrong people.  Stalin intentionally starved twenty million Ukrainians to death, and that was just one of the things he did, and yet Hitler gets all the attention as a bad guy because he specifically targeted the Jєωs.

Also, on Mussolini, I don't think you should hold him up too high as a follower of the Church.  He was staunchly anti-Church until he saw that he could use it as a motivating factor, and unifying body for Italy.  He embraced the Church out of political advantage, not because he was a true believer.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: AlanF on April 11, 2015, 06:18:59 PM
Quote from: tdrev123
Quote from: AlanF
Quote from: MrYeZe
Quote from: AlanF
Fascism started out in Italy as a purely anti-Communist movement. The symbolism of the Fasces is the joining together of all anti-Marxists to prevent their coming to power. The real meaning of Fascism, as applied in Mussolini's Italy, can be found in his 'The Doctrine Of Fascism' (http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm).

A few Fascist, or partly 'fascist', leaders at the time were leaders of good Catholic states, Dollfuss, Salazar, and Franco.

Hitler wasn't a Fascist, by the way, he was a National Socialist.


Fascist and National Socialist are the same things, and while it's true that both capitalism and fascism embraced socialist economic policies, fascism did it better....as in, it didn't fail horribly, from an economic standpoint.  Also Marxism is all about a social, sɛҳuąƖ, and spiritual (or a-spiritual in this sense), class struggle, to create a caste-less, class-less, completely equal, atheistic utopia (####-hole), while fascism is pretty much the opposite of all those things.


No, Fascism and National Socialism are not the same thing; such an idea would assume that axis leaders of the time, such as Hitler and Dollfuss, had no real disagreements.

"tdrev123" is correct when he says that that's allied war propaganda, though I disagree with him when he says "there is no such thing as "fascist." There's a point to be made there that there exists a bogeyman of "Fascism", created by our Jєωιѕн rulers after the war, which is supposedly the absolute evil that the "right wing" leads to. Though there certainly was "Fascism", Mussolini led the National Fascist Party, and called his ideas 'Fascism'.


A reason why I say that the term is not real, I mean in terms of actuality and not in usage...By that I mean the idea that there was a new 'movement' is partially wrong - I would argue that the governments described as 'fascist' have very little difference than governments that were Catholic 150 years before them -- the Monarchs lost their power, either through neglect or idiocy, and in the fight against Marxism, the citizens themselves rose up and tried to defend their people, as they lost their Monarch they had to do it themselves.  I argue that there is no need for a new term to describe them, as they were not a new movement, but the traditional one, they were fighting for Christianity and western culture, which is no different then Charlegmane or a crusader.


I agree that it as essentially the same movement that had formed the Catholic states for centuries. But there was a difference in practicality, in that there was a need to replace the now non-existent Catholic monarchs with a new Catholic government, which gave it it's own set of ideas in some areas, as well as being a distinct historical phenomenon, which makes it appropriate to give it it's own name, a name which was given to it by it's own leaders at the time. Of course it's not the same as "fascism" as used as a bogeyman by leftists today to decry anything "right wing".

Fascism literally means the "binding together" (which is what the fasces represents) of good people to oppose the destruction of our nations by Marxism and the reëstablishment of the true order.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: tdrev123 on April 11, 2015, 06:20:05 PM
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Despite the name, National Socialism was definitely not your modern term of socialism today either since it was not egalitarian in "helping people." Hitler admitted to this when he said, "Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian socialism. True socialism respects private property, Marxian socialism does not," and, "It was a truly catastrophic thing to name our party a party of socialists. I say as long as a man has enough to eat, has a roof over his head, and has clothes on his back then he has his socialism."


To further your point, Hitler and other NS's stated many times that national socialism is when a worker has respect for his employer, and the employer respects the worker --this is possibly the most Catholic and simple economic philosophy --Complete Capitalism does not have respect for the worker, and socialism (marxism) is about destroying the employer.

The Socialism in national Socialism is really about "helping your people"
In a famous speech Hitler said, "Our social welfare system is so much more than just charity because we do not say to the rich people "Please, give something to the poor." Instead we say "German people, help yourself!" Everyone must help, whether you are rich or poor. Everyone must have the belief that there's always someone in a much worse situation than I am, and this person I want to help as a comrade. If one should say, "Yes, but do I have to sacrifice a lot?" That is the glory of giving! When you sacrifice for your community, then you can walk with your head held up high."

Adolf Hitler might have been the only leader of a country to actually believe and implement in the same principles that were taught in 'Rerum Novarum'.  And that is one of the two main reasons (the other being anti-Jєω) why the Jєωs had to destroy him, destroy his people, and completely destroy his message and legacy.  

There are a lot of discussions on this forum and others about 'what economic policy is most catholic' etc ... If you want to find that out, think about what Country's society closely resembled true Catholic teaching?
I believe that the Third Reich, specifically 1934-1940 were the most Catholic in terms of Society and that encompasses economic policy, social policy, law and order, and everything else.  

1932 - 30% unemployed, crime rampant, sɛҳuąƖ immorality rampant (prostitution, sodomy, etc), Atheism and Communism infecting all areas of society

1935- Full employment, Literally (not exaggerating) no Crime at all, all deviant sɛҳuąƖ practices banned, almost the entire populace has stopped supporting communism, Christianity expanding (thousands of new churches built).  

Through Catholic Policies this was made possible.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: AlanF on April 11, 2015, 06:22:48 PM
Quote from: clarkaim
Oh, my father's father (Nonno) was an actual Fascist party member and black shirt who served as an officer in the Italian army and fought in southern Russia/Ukraine.


God bless your grandfather.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: tdrev123 on April 11, 2015, 06:29:51 PM
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There is no such thing as "fascist".  By that I mean it is a made up term to villainaze the leaders of the Axis Countries.  

The so called "Fascists" were the Anti-Marxist leaders.  Hitler, Franco, Mussolini and the rest of the Axis governments were anti-communist.  

The Allies were Communism and the Axis Anti Communism.

It really disheartens me when so many 'traditional' catholics believe in Allied War Propaganda.  I don't just mean the h0Ɩ0h0αx but I would bet most people reading this post believe that Hitler persecuted the Catholic Church.  That is utterly false, it stems from when the government decided to arrest a few hundred priests and bishops....for sodomy or rape etc...And then a small amount of others were arrested over the years for obstinately working against the regime...like helping the 'resistance' etc.  

Who was the leader who closed down all masonic lodges and repeatedly condemned them?
Who was the leader who shut down the sex shows, whore houses, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ theatre?
Who was the leader who advocated for Catholic Economic Principles?  
Who was the leader who supported traditional gender roles?
Who was the leader who banned degenerate art and modern music (jazz)?
Who was the leader who expelled the Jєωs in a humane way, like Catholic teaching says is good?
Who was the leader who said, "Our movement is a Christian One"?
Who was the leader who sacrificed himself and most of his Volk for the rest of Europe?
Who was the leader who 95% of people voted for in 1938?
Who was the leader whose social policy is completely in line with Catholicism?
Who was the leader who continually wanted Peace, who the Jєωιѕн powers dragged him into a war because of genocide against Germans in Poland?
Who was the leader who did not want to use Atomic weapons, who let go hundreds of thousands of soldiers at Dunkirk because he wanted peace?

That leader was the last Christian Crusader, Fuhrer Hitler.
(I do not mean a Saint, Matthew, I know people have been banned for saying he was or close to being a saint, I am not saying that, but that He was who the Church should have supported)


I urge everyone to read about the truth of WW2 - it doesn't end at being a h0Ɩ0cαųst denier...
For a good video, go to youtube and search 'greatest story never told' it is a good beginner docuмentary...

(http://www.tomatobubble.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/HitlerPainting.gif)

Painted by the Greatest Son of Germany


I could not agree more with this post.  Adolf Hitler has become a Jєωιѕн Shiboleth.  "if you like Blue Bell Homemade Vanilla better than this fat free flavorlessdouble chocolate sinful delight, well your worse than Hitler".  Makes you wonder why after our Lord, Jєωs and their lib tards hate Hitler the 2nd most.  He's in good company I'd say.  Oh and as to fascism, it is not Socialism in the classic sense in any way.  It merely orders the state towards the common good as the Church has always taught.  Bear in mind it was Mussolini that made Catholicism the state religion and they control the schools and courts to this day in Italy.  I'd expound more but I need a nap.  Oh, my father's father (Nonno) was an actual Fascist party member and black shirt who served as an officer in the Italian army and fought in southern Russia/Ukraine.   I know a thing or two personally about "fascism"  it is NOT related to marxist working class ownership of the economy.  Any one who says so is an idioto and parlando loro culo.


The only reason Adolf Hitler gets as much hate as he does is because he killed the wrong people.  Stalin intentionally starved twenty million Ukrainians to death, and that was just one of the things he did, and yet Hitler gets all the attention as a bad guy because he specifically targeted the Jєωs.

Also, on Mussolini, I don't think you should hold him up too high as a follower of the Church.  He was staunchly anti-Church until he saw that he could use it as a motivating factor, and unifying body for Italy.  He embraced the Church out of political advantage, not because he was a true believer.


Hitler didn't kill anyone except for criminal offenses...who do you mean he killed?  The Jєωs?  How could he have killed them when their population increased from 1940 to 1946 (American Red Cross stats)?  

Yes I know Mussolini was not a true believer, but that doesn't matter, He made Italy Catholic Again, whether his intentions were to use the church or because he truly believed in it don't matter.  
I would bet Mussolini is in Hell today....but because of him how many thousands of Catholics in Italy who lived in that time are in heaven now?  
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: Cera on April 13, 2015, 03:33:20 PM
The Catholic Church teaches subsidiarity, which is the opposite of any form of totalitarianism, whether it is called Communism or Fascism.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: GottmitunsAlex on April 13, 2015, 04:19:27 PM
APOSTOLIC BENEDICTION
«CON INMENSO GOZO»
OF HIS HOLINESS
PIUS XII
TO THE SPANISH FAITHFUL

(April 14, 1939)

With great joy We address you, most dear children of Catholic Spain, to express to you our fatherly congratulations for the gift of peace and of victory, with which God has deemed worthy to crown the Christian heroism of your faith and charity, tried in so many and so generous sufferings. Our Predecessor, of venerable memory, expected, with longing and trust, this Providential peace, which is undoubtedly the fruit of that copious blessing which he sent, in the very beginning of the struggle, “to all those who had devoted themselves to the difficult and dangerous task of defending and restoring the rights and the honor of God and Religion” [1]; and We do not doubt that this peace shall be the one that he himself foretold since then, “the sign of a future of tranquility in order, and of honor in prosperity” [2].

The designs of Providence, most beloved children, have once again dawned over heroic Spain. The Nation chosen by God as the main instrument of the evangelization of the New World and as an impregnable fortress of the Catholic faith has just shown to the apostles of materialistic Atheism of our century the greatest evidence that the eternal values of religion and of the spirit stand above all things.

The tenacious propaganda and the constant efforts of the enemies of Jesus Christ seemed to have desired to try in Spain a supreme experiment of the dissolving forces which they have at their disposal throughout the world; and even though it is true that the Almighty has for now not allowed them to achieve their goal, He has at least tolerated some of their terrible effects, so that the world could see how religious persecution, undermining the very bases of justice and charity, which are love for God and respect for His holy law, may drag modern society to unthinkable abysses of evil destruction and passionate discord.

Convinced of this truth, the sane Spanish people, with the two marks characteristic of their most noble spirit, which are generosity and frankness, rose up determinedly in defense of the ideals of Christian faith and civilization, deeply rooted in the Spanish soil, and, aided by God, “who does not abandon those who hope in Him” (Judith 13, 17), could resist the push from those who, deceived by what they believed to be a humanitarian ideal of the exaltation of the meek, truly fought only for Atheism.

This primordial meaning of your victory makes us dwell in the most promising hopes, that God in His mercy will deign lead Spain through the safe path of its traditional and Catholic grandeur; which will be the point that will guide all Spaniards, who love their Religion and their Fatherland, in the effort to organize the life of the Nation in perfect harmony with its most noble history of Catholic faith, piety, and civilization.

We thus exhort the Authorities and Shepherds of Catholic Spain to enlighten the mind of those who were deceived, showing them, lovingly, the roots of Materialism and Secularism from which their errors and wrongful acts came forth, and from which they could spring forth again. Propose to them the principles of individual and social justice, without which the peace and prosperity of nations, as mighty as they may be, cannot subsist, and which are those contained in the Holy Gospel and in the doctrine of the Church.

We do not doubt that it will happen thus, and the bases for Our firm hope are the most noble and Christian sentiments, of which the Chief of State and so many gentlemen, his faithful collaborators, have given unequivocal evidence with the legal protection which they have granted to the supreme religious and social interests, according to the teachings of the Apostolic See. The same hope is also founded upon the enlightened zeal and abnegation of your Bishops and Priests, tempered by pain, and also in the faith, piety, and spirit of sacrifice of which, in terrible hours, all classes of Spanish society gave heroic proof.

And now, before the remembrance of the mounting ruins of the bloodiest cινιℓ ωαr recorded in the history of modern times, We, with pious regard, bow our head, above all, to the holy memory of the Bishops, Priests, Religious of both sexes, and faithful of all ages and conditions who, in such an elevated number, sealed with blood their faith in Jesus Christ, and their love for the Catholic Religion: «maiorem hac dilectionem nemo habet», “Greater love than this no man hath” (Jn 15, 13).

We also acknowledge our debt of gratitude towards all those who sacrificed themselves even unto heroism in defense of the unalienable rights of God and of Religion, either in the battlefields, or devoted to the sublime works of Christian charity in prisons and hospitals.

We cannot hide the bitter sorrow that the remembrance of so many innocent children, who, having been ripped from their homes, were taken to faraway lands, often in danger of apostasy and perversion: we desire nothing more ardently than to see them returned to the bosom of their families, where they will once again find the warm and Christian tenderness of their own. And those others who, as prodigal sons, wish to return to the house of the father, we doubt not that they will be welcomed with goodwill and love.

It falls upon You, Venerable Brothers in the Episcopate, to advise all, so that in their policy of pacification all will follow the principles taught by the Church, and proclaimed with such nobility by the Generalísimo: of justice for crime, and of lenient generosity for the mistaken. Our solicitude, also as a Father, cannot forget these deceived ones, whom a deceitful and perverse propaganda succeeded in enticing with praises and promises. Your Pastoral solicitude should be targeted at them, with patience and meekness: pray for them, seek them, lead them again to the regenerative bosom of the Church and to the warmth of the Fatherland, and lead them to the Merciful Father, Who awaits them with open arms.

Therefore, most dear children, since the rainbow of peace has returned to brighten the heavens of Spain, let us come together heartily in a fervent hymn of thanksgiving to the God of Peace and in a prayer of forgiveness and mercy for all those who perished; and, in order that this peace be fruitful and longlasting, We exhort you with all the fervor of Our heart, to “keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace” (Eph. 4, 2-3). Thus united and obedient to your venerable Episcopate, devote yourselves joyfully and with no delay, to the urgent work of reconstruction, which God and the Fatherland expect from you.

As a pledge of the copious graces, which the Immaculate Virgin and Saint James the Apostle, Patrons of Spain, shall obtain for you, and which the great Spanish Saints have merited for you, We bestow upon you, Our dear children of Catholic Spain, upon the Chief of State and his illustrious Government, upon the zealous Episcopate and their selfless Clergy, upon the heroic combatants, and upon all the faithful Our Apostolic Blessing.

PIUS XII
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: clarkaim on April 13, 2015, 05:39:43 PM
you should know that my youngest son is named Franco (for the General) Giuseppe ( for Sarto).  I wouldn't be so foolish to say that these movements were not without their criticisms.  Frequently mankind finds itself the victim of it's own time and conditions, brought about not by devils but rather the foolishness of men and their pride.  Hitler did allow euthanasia for example.   National Socialism was a great, but flawed, idea as a result.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: TKGS on April 13, 2015, 05:55:28 PM
Fascism, Socialism, Communism, nαzιsm, and Liberalism are all nearly identical political ideologies.  The differences are primarily in their leaders.  They are enemies of each other when they are simultaneously vying for power as each group desires to exercise the power.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: clarkaim on April 13, 2015, 06:57:48 PM
Quote from: TKGS
Fascism, Socialism, Communism, nαzιsm, and Liberalism are all nearly identical political ideologies.  The differences are primarily in their leaders.  They are enemies of each other when they are simultaneously vying for power as each group desires to exercise the power.


Well that makes ZERO sense.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: TKGS on April 13, 2015, 08:22:53 PM
Quote from: clarkaim
Quote from: TKGS
Fascism, Socialism, Communism, nαzιsm, and Liberalism are all nearly identical political ideologies.  The differences are primarily in their leaders.  They are enemies of each other when they are simultaneously vying for power as each group desires to exercise the power.


Well that makes ZERO sense.


Only if you cannot think and actually look at what these groups actually propose as their social-political policies.  There is virtually no difference.

Of course, people who think there is a difference probably think that there is a difference between the Democrat Party and the Republican Party in the United States.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: tdrev123 on April 13, 2015, 08:51:07 PM
Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: clarkaim
Quote from: TKGS
Fascism, Socialism, Communism, nαzιsm, and Liberalism are all nearly identical political ideologies.  The differences are primarily in their leaders.  They are enemies of each other when they are simultaneously vying for power as each group desires to exercise the power.


Well that makes ZERO sense.


Only if you cannot think and actually look at what these groups actually propose as their social-political policies.  There is virtually no difference.

Of course, people who think there is a difference probably think that there is a difference between the Democrat Party and the Republican Party in the United States.


Your analogy is so wrong it is laughable.

You mention Dems and GOP as being the same, which is completely correct.  Now why are they the same????? Because they are both part of the Zionist one world order.  I assume you believe the same...

National Socialism is Literally the ANTITHESIS of the Zionist one world order! Why do you think the Zionists had to destroy Hitler and the Reich!?

I can quote you over a thousand speeches of Hitler where he is denouncing the one world order!  The Reich was the last stand against Bolshevism and the Zionists!

How do you not comprehend that?

Please, TKGS, try to unwrap your mind from the Propaganda you have been spoon fed.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: GottmitunsAlex on April 13, 2015, 08:54:37 PM
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Quote from: clarkaim
Quote from: TKGS
Fascism, Socialism, Communism, nαzιsm, and Liberalism are all nearly identical political ideologies.  The differences are primarily in their leaders.  They are enemies of each other when they are simultaneously vying for power as each group desires to exercise the power.


Well that makes ZERO sense.


Only if you cannot think and actually look at what these groups actually propose as their social-political policies.  There is virtually no difference.

Of course, people who think there is a difference probably think that there is a difference between the Democrat Party and the Republican Party in the United States.


Your analogy is so wrong it is laughable.

You mention Dems and GOP as being the same, which is completely correct.  Now why are they the same????? Because they are both part of the Zionist one world order.  I assume you believe the same...

National Socialism is Literally the ANTITHESIS of the Zionist one world order! Why do you think the Zionists had to destroy Hitler and the Reich!?

I can quote you over a thousand speeches of Hitler where he is denouncing the one world order!  The Reich was the last stand against Bolshevism and the Zionists!

How do you not comprehend that?

Please, TKGS, try to unwrap your mind from the Propaganda you have been spoon fed.

Well said.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: clarkaim on April 14, 2015, 06:28:36 PM
the basic social view of NS and Fascism is more analagous to the family structure, in other words everyone's desires are subordinated the greater common good i.e. me, the father, sets general principles and policies and directs the economic matters towards that end (the fuhrer prinzip) while my wife enforces order with her wooden spoon (the Gestapo) while my son, who got into the cake his sister made is like the Jєω, we keep him in his room (cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ).  I'm just trying to be funny, failing miserably I guess.

Marxism, by his own definition, reduces EVERYTHING to the material economic relationships and resulting "class struggle", setting up antagonism as the engine that moves history.  Lenin's elite Vanguard of the Proletariat, or Communist party, exists only to raise class consciousness on part of said class, the Proletariat to a revolutionary furor, causing the tearing down of all bastions of the previous social structure i.e. religion that serve to keep the Prol's unaware of their oppression.

National Socialism does not do these in any way, but rather celebrates them but orders them towards the greater good of the people, or Volk.  Highliting the commonality shared by, in this case, the German Volk.    Same concept as the teamwork of say, the Wonderpets.  the eradication of class for the accretion that it is.  Lots more to say but so little patience and time
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: TKGS on April 15, 2015, 06:41:25 AM
As long as people around here are praising National Socialism, perhaps we should see what the Pope Pius XI taught in his encyclical of 14 March 1937, Mit Brennender Sorge.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: tdrev123 on April 15, 2015, 09:47:54 AM
Quote from: TKGS
As long as people around here are praising National Socialism, perhaps we should see what the Pope Pius XI taught in his encyclical of 14 March 1937, Mit Brennender Sorge.


You mean the notorious liberal Pope Pius XI?  The same Pope who started the liturgical Revolution?
That encyclical was influenced by the liberal Jєωιѕн press.  The majority of things the Pope warned against we're not official NS ideology...the encyclical was more referring to certain fringe elements within the reich,.., like Rosenberg and his supporters.  One of the main parts of the docuмent isn't even true...the Pope says that yu shouldn't persecute Jєωs that have converted to Christianity, but while the official law did state that, there were 'honorary aryans' that were the few Jєωs who had converted to christisnity and were not Zionist commies.  So the main part the Pope condemned wasn't even true and the other things mentioned were not official ideology but only in the fringe elements.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: GottmitunsAlex on April 15, 2015, 10:32:22 AM
It was Pope Pius XI who at the request of the American masonic bishops, ordered Cristeros (via the Mexican episcopacy) to lay down their weapons and agree to the "Arreglos" (Truce) offered by the Mexican Masonic government. More Cristeros (priests included) were MURDERED after the arreglos than in the official 3 year war (1926-1929).

Sad, sad, times.

Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: tdrev123 on April 15, 2015, 11:11:03 AM
Quote from: GottmitunsAlex
It was Pope Pius XI who at the request of the American masonic bishops, ordered Cristeros (via the Mexican episcopacy) to lay down their weapons and agree to the "Arreglos" (Truce) offered by the Mexican Masonic government. More Cristeros (priests included) were MURDERED after the arreglos than in the official 3 year war (1926-1929).

Sad, sad, times.



Great example.

Also it ought to be stated, that the encyclical is clearly nit-picking.  At this time millions of people are starving, communism is spreading, the warmongering allies are plotting....and all the Pope does is nit pick things that aren't even official teaching of the National Socialists! It is pitiful...instead the Pope should have tried to mold the Reich into more of a Catholic model, instead of critizing tiny elements of their un official ideology.  
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: TKGS on April 15, 2015, 11:14:27 AM
Quote from: tdrev123
Quote from: TKGS
As long as people around here are praising National Socialism, perhaps we should see what the Pope Pius XI taught in his encyclical of 14 March 1937, Mit Brennender Sorge.


You mean the notorious liberal Pope Pius XI?  The same Pope who started the liturgical Revolution?


And here I thought all you people blamed the notoriously liberal Pope St. Pius X for starting the liturgical revolution by changing the Breviary.
Title: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: tdrev123 on April 15, 2015, 11:38:19 AM
Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: tdrev123
Quote from: TKGS
As long as people around here are praising National Socialism, perhaps we should see what the Pope Pius XI taught in his encyclical of 14 March 1937, Mit Brennender Sorge.


You mean the notorious liberal Pope Pius XI?  The same Pope who started the liturgical Revolution?


And here I thought all you people blamed the notoriously liberal Pope St. Pius X for starting the liturgical revolution by changing the Breviary.


http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f079_Dialogue_7.htm
Title: Re: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: ascanio1 on December 02, 2019, 10:37:24 AM
Fascism started out in Italy as a purely anti-Communist movement.
                                       
                                         WRONG !

Fascism was purely Marxist communism with very subtle differences in the industrial state planning and nationalist agenda.

All of his life Benito Mussolini was a collectivist and a revolutionary Marxist socialist.

Mussolini favoured Italy entering the war and, this, not political or ideological differences, caused the Italian Socialist Party to expell him, in 1912.

Not only there is no evidence that Mussolini ever gave up his militance in socialism but, to the contrary, there is plenty of very tangible evidence of pure communist ideology and policies enacted in his 20 years in power: Mussolini started to nationalize industries, planned industrial production, introduced the welfare state, introduced social security, started to nationalize the health care, started to nationalize schools...

Mussolini also met Russian Communist leaders Lenin and Trotsky while they were in exhile in Switzerland and they remarked on Mussolini's solid adherence to the communist ideology revolutionary agenda. Lenin even stated: "In Italy, comrades, in Italy, there was but a Socialist able enough to lead the people through a revolutionary path, Benito Mussolini" *.

Lenin even sent a telegram to Mussolini to congratulate him on his political exploit when Mussolini rose to power.


                             Fascism belongs on the left.
                                         
                                          Period.


Mussolini opposed Italian communists only because of political power struggles, not because of ideological motives.
We should all sart to correct this leftists fantasy that Mussolini (and Hitler) was not a pure marxist communist.

Fascist ideology = communist ideology (with subtle differences).

It is about time that we start to study Italian history correctly and stop misinterpreting what fascism was.

It has been a convenient leftist, post war, propaganda to distance fascism as far as possible from communism as communism's reputation would have suffered if it had been associated with its western European peers: fascism and nαzιsm (National Socialism).


* As quoted in Revolutionary Fascism, Erik Norling, Lisbon, Finis Mundi Press (2011) p. 28. Lenin express this to Nicola Bombacci, during a reception in the Kremlin.
Title: Re: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: ascanio1 on December 02, 2019, 10:49:05 AM
Fascism, Socialism, Communism, nαzιsm, and Liberalism are all nearly identical political ideologies. The differences are primarily in their leaders. They are enemies of each other when they are simultaneously vying for power as each group desires to exercise the power.
Perfect and very concise rendering. Well said. That is historically and factually very accurate. With the exceptin of liberalism (it has too many interpretations to be freely associated here).


Quote
Well that makes ZERO sense.
Maybe to you. But that is a very accurate summary.
Title: Re: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: ascanio1 on December 02, 2019, 10:52:48 AM
The Catholic Church teaches subsidiarity, which is the opposite of any form of totalitarianism, whether it is called Communism or Fascism.
I agree. Not only, the Church teaches that charity must be voluntary.

Try convincing a proper (not modernist) priest that by pointing a gun at a rich man you can obtain money to help the poor...


---------------
@ MrYeZe
"Also, on Mussolini, I don't think you should hold him up too high as a follower of the Church.  He was staunchly anti-Church until he saw that he could use it as a motivating factor, and unifying body for Italy.  He embraced the Church out of political advantage, not because he was a true believer."

That is correct. Mussolini was not a very good Catholic or, at least, there is no evidence, while there is evidence to the contrary in his earlier speaches at communist rallies.
Title: Re: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: ascanio1 on December 02, 2019, 11:00:27 AM
The so called "Fascists" were the Anti-Marxist leaders.  Hitler, Franco, Mussolini and the rest of the Axis governments were anti-communist.  

The Allies were Communism and the Axis Anti Communism.
Wrong.

Mussolini and fascism espoused marxist ideology and produceded pure communist, welfare policies under a strictly state regulated industry.

Mussolini was, maybe, anti-stalin, if anything. Certainly not anti-communist. But even this representation is wrong as Mussolini and Lenin praised each other.

It is more appropriate to say that Mussolini was an egocentric character who dreamed of Italy as a great military Nation and did not want to be left our from what he believed would have been the spoils of Hitler's war.
He was anti-anyone who got in the way of his idea of restoring the Roman Empire. Africa, Russia, England, France... His war was not ideologically motivated.
Title: Re: True meaning of the word "fascist"
Post by: ascanio1 on December 02, 2019, 11:15:37 AM
Obama, Hitler, And Exploding The Biggest Lie In History

“The line between fascism and Fabian socialism is very thin. Fabian socialism is the dream. Fascism is Fabian socialism plus the inevitable dictator.” John T. Flynn

Numerous commentators have raised alarming comparisons between America’s recent economic foibles and Argentina’s fall “from breadbasket to basket case.” The U.S. pursues a similar path with her economy increasingly ensnared under the growing nexus of government control. Resources are redistributed for vote-buying welfare schemes, patronage style earmarks, and graft by unelected bureaucrats, quid pro quo with unions, issue groups and legions of lobbyists.

In Argentina, everyone acknowledges that fascism, state capitalism, corporatism – whatever – reflects very leftwing ideology. Eva Peron remains a liberal icon. President Obama’s Fabian policies (Keynesian economics) promise similar ends. His proposed infrastructure bank is just the latest gyration of corporatism. Why then are fascists consistently portrayed as conservatives?

In the Thirties, intellectuals smitten by progressivism considered limited, constitutional governance anachronistic. The Great Depression had apparently proven capitalism defunct. The remaining choice had narrowed between communism and fascism. Hitler was about an inch to the right of Stalin. Western intellectuals infatuated with Marxism thus associated fascism with the Right.

Later, Marxists from the Frankfurt School popularized this prevailing sentiment. Theodor Adorno in The Authoritarian Personality devised the “F” scale to demean conservatives as latent fascists. The label “fascist” has subsequently meant anyone liberals seek to ostracize or discredit.

Fascism is an amorphous ideology mobilizing an entire nation (Mussolini, Franco and Peron) or race (Hitler) for a common purpose. Leaders of industry, science, education, the arts and politics combine to shepherd society in an all encompassing quest. Hitler’s premise was a pure Aryan Germany capable of dominating Europe.

While he feinted right, Hitler and Stalin were natural bedfellows. Hitler mimicked Lenin’s path to totalitarian tyranny, parlaying crises into power. nαzιs despised Marxists not over ideology, but because they had betrayed Germany in World War I and nαzιs found it unconscionable that German communists yielded fealty to Slavs in Moscow.

The National Socialist German Workers Party staged elaborate marches with uniformed workers calling one another “comrade” while toting tools the way soldiers shoulder rifles. The bright red nαzι flag symbolized socialism in a “classless, casteless” Germany (white represents Aryanism). Fascist central planning was not egalitarian, but it divvied up economic rewards very similarly to communism: party membership and partnering with the state.

Where communists generally focused on class, nαzιs fixated on race. Communists view life through the prism of a perpetual workers’ revolution. National Socialists used race as a metaphor to justify their nation’s engagement in an existential struggle.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2011/09/01/obama-hitler-and-exploding-the-biggest-lie-in-history/
Excellent rendition.

Re the Frankfurt school, you may want to look at the "critical theory" and its direct, devastating effects on our Christian and conservative culture.

Also, you may be surprised to read about "relativism" and "postmodern" ideologies. These are the natural, evil, children produced by the Frankfurt School getting in bed with post war liberalism (not pure liberalism).

Relativism reduces all cultures, moral principles and religions on the same dignity and truth given their reciprocal contexts. It spurred off some IT research into artificial intelligence that found that, for example, a circle has different value only in its appropriate context. In the context of a car a circle is a round wheel. In the context of the sky a circle is a round sun and so forth.

It rejected absolute truths and reduced all values to equal dignity, depending on context. Hence ecuмenism.

Postmodern ideology is the translation of the communist class struggle into a cultural struggle.

Good post. Sorry to reactivate a one (or more) year old thread.