Author Topic: True meaning of the word "fascist" (Read 3752 times)

Cera · « **on:** April 09, 2015, 05:55:47 PM »

Obama, Hitler, And Exploding The Biggest Lie In History

“The line between fascism and Fabian socialism is very thin. Fabian socialism is the dream. Fascism is Fabian socialism plus the inevitable dictator.” John T. Flynn

Numerous commentators have raised alarming comparisons between America’s recent economic foibles and Argentina’s fall “from breadbasket to basket case.” The U.S. pursues a similar path with her economy increasingly ensnared under the growing nexus of government control. Resources are redistributed for vote-buying welfare schemes, patronage style earmarks, and graft by unelected bureaucrats, quid pro quo with unions, issue groups and legions of lobbyists.

In Argentina, everyone acknowledges that fascism, state capitalism, corporatism – whatever – reflects very leftwing ideology. Eva Peron remains a liberal icon. President Obama’s Fabian policies (Keynesian economics) promise similar ends. His proposed infrastructure bank is just the latest gyration of corporatism. Why then are fascists consistently portrayed as conservatives?

In the Thirties, intellectuals smitten by progressivism considered limited, constitutional governance anachronistic. The Great Depression had apparently proven capitalism defunct. The remaining choice had narrowed between communism and fascism. Hitler was about an inch to the right of Stalin. Western intellectuals infatuated with Marxism thus associated fascism with the Right.

Later, Marxists from the Frankfurt School popularized this prevailing sentiment. Theodor Adorno in The Authoritarian Personality devised the “F” scale to demean conservatives as latent fascists. The label “fascist” has subsequently meant anyone liberals seek to ostracize or discredit.

Fascism is an amorphous ideology mobilizing an entire nation (Mussolini, Franco and Peron) or race (Hitler) for a common purpose. Leaders of industry, science, education, the arts and politics combine to shepherd society in an all encompassing quest. Hitler’s premise was a pure Aryan Germany capable of dominating Europe.

While he feinted right, Hitler and Stalin were natural bedfellows. Hitler mimicked Lenin’s path to totalitarian tyranny, parlaying crises into power. nαzιs despised Marxists not over ideology, but because they had betrayed Germany in World War I and nαzιs found it unconscionable that German communists yielded fealty to Slavs in Moscow.

The National Socialist German Workers Party staged elaborate marches with uniformed workers calling one another “comrade” while toting tools the way soldiers shoulder rifles. The bright red nαzι flag symbolized socialism in a “classless, casteless” Germany (white represents Aryanism). Fascist central planning was not egalitarian, but it divvied up economic rewards very similarly to communism: party membership and partnering with the state.

Where communists generally focused on class, nαzιs fixated on race. Communists view life through the prism of a perpetual workers’ revolution. National Socialists used race as a metaphor to justify their nation’s engagement in an existential struggle.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2011/09/01/obama-hitler-and-exploding-the-biggest-lie-in-history/

Cera · « **Reply #1 on:** April 09, 2015, 06:00:38 PM »

Theodor Adorno
Theodor Adorno
Adorno
Born    Theodor Ludwig Adorno Wiesengrund
11 September 1903
Frankfurt, German Empire
Died    6 August 1969 (aged 65)
Visp, Switzerland
Nationality    Jєωιѕн
Known for    Father of Cultural Marxism
Occupation    subversive, propagandist
Organization    Frankfurt School

Theodor Ludwig Wiesengrund-Adorno✡☭ (11 September 1903 — 6 August 1969) better known as Theodor Adorno, was a communist Jєω propagandist and agitator, involved in the creation of the critical theory ideology of the New Left and Cultural Marxism as a member of the Frankfurt School. Born in Germany, he along with other Jєωιѕн degenerates such as Wilhelm Reich✡☭ and Herbert Marcuse,✡☭ invaded the United States after Germany had been liberated by the NSDAP. Perhaps the best known propaganda works of Adorno are The Authoritarian Personality, Dialectic of Enlightenment and Negative Dialectics.

Adorno was interested in perverting the aesthetics of mass culture, as a part of a social engineering strategy through criticism, particularly music. The path of so-called pop culture and its subculture associates which emerged in the 1960s, was shaped in significant part by Adorno. This converged with Marcuse's student peace movement hoax to agitate for the Viet Cong amongst other things. Some have even alleged that Adorno was involved with The Beatles through the Tavistock Institute, however this claim may not be entirely reliable.

Negating the crimes commited by communists during the Red h0Ɩ0cαųst—the extermination of at least 94 million goyim—Adorno entered the dialectic on h0Ɩ0cαųstianity and the so-called "unparalleled crimes" of "fascism". As part of a psychoanalytic Freudo-Marxian dialectic, Adorno along with fellow tribesmen at the UC Berkeley created the pseudo-scientific personality test known as the F-scale or the "authoritarian personality". This was the cornerstone of introducing political correctness into the West, as a ʝʊdɛօ-communist strategy to deconstruct gentile civiisation and weaken their evolutionary competitors.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #2 on:** April 10, 2015, 10:02:10 AM »

Fascism is most certainly a form of socialism and belong under the umbrella term of "left". It is close cousins to marxism and communism.

Mussolini, another famous "fascist" was also the head of the Italian Socialist Party.

What I would to see is when film highlights of Hitler speaking, instead of letting him rant in German (which is foreign to almost everyone) have the subtitles below. He's not saying things that are all that different from the American left.

MrYeZe · « **Reply #3 on:** April 10, 2015, 01:55:25 PM »

You got a lot of things wrong here, bud. For one thing, fascists 'did' despise Marxists ideologically due to the fact that fascism relies heavily on traditionalism and meritorious hierarchy and classism while Marxism aims to destroy all of those things.

AlanF · « **Reply #4 on:** April 10, 2015, 02:43:52 PM »

Fascism started out in Italy as a purely anti-Communist movement. The symbolism of the Fasces is the joining together of all anti-Marxists to prevent their coming to power. The real meaning of Fascism, as applied in Mussolini's Italy, can be found in his 'The Doctrine Of Fascism'.

A few Fascist, or partly 'fascist', leaders at the time were leaders of good Catholic states, Dollfuss, Salazar, and Franco.

Hitler wasn't a Fascist, by the way, he was a National Socialist.

Cera · « **Reply #5 on:** April 10, 2015, 03:54:55 PM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

Fascism is most certainly a form of socialism and belong under the umbrella term of "left". It is close cousins to marxism and communism.

Mussolini, another famous "fascist" was also the head of the Italian Socialist Party.

What I would to see is when film highlights of Hitler speaking, instead of letting him rant in German (which is foreign to almost everyone) have the subtitles below. He's not saying things that are all that different from the American left.

Yes, and both the Fascists and the Communists had an understanding. While outsiders were distrusted and not easily allowed to join either group, (for fear of infiltration), Fascists were allowed to easily join the Communists and visa versa.

Hitler called his party the National Socialist Party:
Hitler did however give the symbol his own twist when he said: "Als nationale Sozialisten sehen wir in unserer Flagge unser Programm. Im Rot sehen wir den sozialen Gedanken der Bewegung, im Weiss den nationalistischen, im Hakenkreuz die Mission des Kampfes fuer den Sieg des arischen Menschen und zugleich mit ihm auch den Sieg des Gedankens der schaffenden Arbeit" ("As National socialists we see our programme in our flag. In red we see the social thoughts of the movement, in white the nationalist thoughts, in the hooked-cross the mission of fighting for the victory of Aryan man and at the same time the victory of the concept of creative work").

. . . like his fellow totalitarians, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

MrYeZe · « **Reply #6 on:** April 10, 2015, 08:06:02 PM »

Quote from: AlanF

Fascism started out in Italy as a purely anti-Communist movement. The symbolism of the Fasces is the joining together of all anti-Marxists to prevent their coming to power. The real meaning of Fascism, as applied in Mussolini's Italy, can be found in his 'The Doctrine Of Fascism'.

A few Fascist, or partly 'fascist', leaders at the time were leaders of good Catholic states, Dollfuss, Salazar, and Franco.

Hitler wasn't a Fascist, by the way, he was a National Socialist.

Fascist and National Socialist are the same things, and while it's true that both capitalism and fascism embraced socialist economic policies, fascism did it better....as in, it didn't fail horribly, from an economic standpoint. Also Marxism is all about a social, sɛҳuąƖ, and spiritual (or a-spiritual in this sense), class struggle, to create a caste-less, class-less, completely equal, atheistic utopia (shit-hole), while fascism is pretty much the opposite of all those things.

MrYeZe · « **Reply #7 on:** April 10, 2015, 08:12:33 PM »

Quote from: Cera

Quote from: Capt McQuigg
Fascism is most certainly a form of socialism and belong under the umbrella term of "left". It is close cousins to marxism and communism.

Mussolini, another famous "fascist" was also the head of the Italian Socialist Party.

What I would to see is when film highlights of Hitler speaking, instead of letting him rant in German (which is foreign to almost everyone) have the subtitles below. He's not saying things that are all that different from the American left.

Yes, and both the Fascists and the Communists had an understanding. While outsiders were distrusted and not easily allowed to join either group, (for fear of infiltration), Fascists were allowed to easily join the Communists and visa versa.

Hitler called his party the National Socialist Party:
Hitler did however give the symbol his own twist when he said: "Als nationale Sozialisten sehen wir in unserer Flagge unser Programm. Im Rot sehen wir den sozialen Gedanken der Bewegung, im Weiss den nationalistischen, im Hakenkreuz die Mission des Kampfes fuer den Sieg des arischen Menschen und zugleich mit ihm auch den Sieg des Gedankens der schaffenden Arbeit" ("As National socialists we see our programme in our flag. In red we see the social thoughts of the movement, in white the nationalist thoughts, in the hooked-cross the mission of fighting for the victory of Aryan man and at the same time the victory of the concept of creative work").

. . . like his fellow totalitarians, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Alright, I seriously have to sort out this bad history. Communists and fascists were not, ever, friendly. Franco killed 500,000 people for allying themselves with communists. The nαzι Gestapo was literally an institution created to root out communists and communist sympathizers. Before Mussolini came to power, communists brutally murdered fascists in Italy, often burning them alive. To say that they liked each other is a-historical trash.

tdrev123 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 11, 2015, 05:03:20 AM »

There is no such thing as "fascist". By that I mean it is a made up term to villainaze the leaders of the Axis Countries.

The so called "Fascists" were the Anti-Marxist leaders. Hitler, Franco, Mussolini and the rest of the Axis governments were anti-communist.

The Allies were Communism and the Axis Anti Communism.

It really disheartens me when so many 'traditional' catholics believe in Allied War Propaganda. I don't just mean the h0Ɩ0h0αx but I would bet most people reading this post believe that Hitler persecuted the Catholic Church. That is utterly false, it stems from when the government decided to arrest a few hundred priests and bishops....for sodomy or rape etc...And then a small amount of others were arrested over the years for obstinately working against the regime...like helping the 'resistance' etc.

Who was the leader who closed down all masonic lodges and repeatedly condemned them?
Who was the leader who shut down the sex shows, whore houses, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ theatre?
Who was the leader who advocated for Catholic Economic Principles?
Who was the leader who supported traditional gender roles?
Who was the leader who banned degenerate art and modern music (jazz)?
Who was the leader who expelled the Jєωs in a humane way, like Catholic teaching says is good?
Who was the leader who said, "Our movement is a Christian One"?
Who was the leader who sacrificed himself and most of his Volk for the rest of Europe?
Who was the leader who 95% of people voted for in 1938?
Who was the leader whose social policy is completely in line with Catholicism?
Who was the leader who continually wanted Peace, who the Jєωιѕн powers dragged him into a war because of genocide against Germans in Poland?
Who was the leader who did not want to use Atomic weapons, who let go hundreds of thousands of soldiers at Dunkirk because he wanted peace?

That leader was the last Christian Crusader, Fuhrer Hitler.
(I do not mean a Saint, Matthew, I know people have been banned for saying he was or close to being a saint, I am not saying that, but that He was who the Church should have supported)

I urge everyone to read about the truth of WW2 - it doesn't end at being a h0Ɩ0cαųst denier...
For a good video, go to youtube and search 'greatest story never told' it is a good beginner docuмentary...

Painted by the Greatest Son of Germany

AlanF · « **Reply #9 on:** April 11, 2015, 07:06:58 AM »

Quote from: MrYeZe

Quote from: AlanF
Fascism started out in Italy as a purely anti-Communist movement. The symbolism of the Fasces is the joining together of all anti-Marxists to prevent their coming to power. The real meaning of Fascism, as applied in Mussolini's Italy, can be found in his 'The Doctrine Of Fascism'.

A few Fascist, or partly 'fascist', leaders at the time were leaders of good Catholic states, Dollfuss, Salazar, and Franco.

Hitler wasn't a Fascist, by the way, he was a National Socialist.

Fascist and National Socialist are the same things, and while it's true that both capitalism and fascism embraced socialist economic policies, fascism did it better....as in, it didn't fail horribly, from an economic standpoint. Also Marxism is all about a social, sɛҳuąƖ, and spiritual (or a-spiritual in this sense), class struggle, to create a caste-less, class-less, completely equal, atheistic utopia (####-hole), while fascism is pretty much the opposite of all those things.

No, Fascism and National Socialism are not the same thing; such an idea would assume that axis leaders of the time, such as Hitler and Dollfuss, had no real disagreements.

"tdrev123" is correct when he says that that's allied war propaganda, though I disagree with him when he says "there is no such thing as "fascist." There's a point to be made there that there exists a bogeyman of "Fascism", created by our Jєωιѕн rulers after the war, which is supposedly the absolute evil that the "right wing" leads to. Though there certainly was "Fascism", Mussolini led the National Fascist Party, and called his ideas 'Fascism'.

tdrev123 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 11, 2015, 12:43:57 PM »

Quote from: AlanF

Quote from: MrYeZe
Quote from: AlanF
Fascism started out in Italy as a purely anti-Communist movement. The symbolism of the Fasces is the joining together of all anti-Marxists to prevent their coming to power. The real meaning of Fascism, as applied in Mussolini's Italy, can be found in his 'The Doctrine Of Fascism'.

A few Fascist, or partly 'fascist', leaders at the time were leaders of good Catholic states, Dollfuss, Salazar, and Franco.

Hitler wasn't a Fascist, by the way, he was a National Socialist.

Fascist and National Socialist are the same things, and while it's true that both capitalism and fascism embraced socialist economic policies, fascism did it better....as in, it didn't fail horribly, from an economic standpoint. Also Marxism is all about a social, sɛҳuąƖ, and spiritual (or a-spiritual in this sense), class struggle, to create a caste-less, class-less, completely equal, atheistic utopia (####-hole), while fascism is pretty much the opposite of all those things.

No, Fascism and National Socialism are not the same thing; such an idea would assume that axis leaders of the time, such as Hitler and Dollfuss, had no real disagreements.

"tdrev123" is correct when he says that that's allied war propaganda, though I disagree with him when he says "there is no such thing as "fascist." There's a point to be made there that there exists a bogeyman of "Fascism", created by our Jєωιѕн rulers after the war, which is supposedly the absolute evil that the "right wing" leads to. Though there certainly was "Fascism", Mussolini led the National Fascist Party, and called his ideas 'Fascism'.

A reason why I say that the term is not real, I mean in terms of actuality and not in usage...By that I mean the idea that there was a new 'movement' is partially wrong - I would argue that the governments described as 'fascist' have very little difference than governments that were Catholic 150 years before them -- the Monarchs lost their power, either through neglect or idiocy, and in the fight against Marxism, the citizens themselves rose up and tried to defend their people, as they lost their Monarch they had to do it themselves. I argue that there is no need for a new term to describe them, as they were not a new movement, but the traditional one, they were fighting for Christianity and western culture, which is no different then Charlegmane or a crusader.

clarkaim · « **Reply #11 on:** April 11, 2015, 02:48:44 PM »

Quote from: tdrev123

There is no such thing as "fascist". By that I mean it is a made up term to villainaze the leaders of the Axis Countries.

The so called "Fascists" were the Anti-Marxist leaders. Hitler, Franco, Mussolini and the rest of the Axis governments were anti-communist.

The Allies were Communism and the Axis Anti Communism.

It really disheartens me when so many 'traditional' catholics believe in Allied War Propaganda. I don't just mean the h0Ɩ0h0αx but I would bet most people reading this post believe that Hitler persecuted the Catholic Church. That is utterly false, it stems from when the government decided to arrest a few hundred priests and bishops....for sodomy or rape etc...And then a small amount of others were arrested over the years for obstinately working against the regime...like helping the 'resistance' etc.

Who was the leader who closed down all masonic lodges and repeatedly condemned them?
Who was the leader who shut down the sex shows, whore houses, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ theatre?
Who was the leader who advocated for Catholic Economic Principles?
Who was the leader who supported traditional gender roles?
Who was the leader who banned degenerate art and modern music (jazz)?
Who was the leader who expelled the Jєωs in a humane way, like Catholic teaching says is good?
Who was the leader who said, "Our movement is a Christian One"?
Who was the leader who sacrificed himself and most of his Volk for the rest of Europe?
Who was the leader who 95% of people voted for in 1938?
Who was the leader whose social policy is completely in line with Catholicism?
Who was the leader who continually wanted Peace, who the Jєωιѕн powers dragged him into a war because of genocide against Germans in Poland?
Who was the leader who did not want to use Atomic weapons, who let go hundreds of thousands of soldiers at Dunkirk because he wanted peace?

That leader was the last Christian Crusader, Fuhrer Hitler.
(I do not mean a Saint, Matthew, I know people have been banned for saying he was or close to being a saint, I am not saying that, but that He was who the Church should have supported)

I urge everyone to read about the truth of WW2 - it doesn't end at being a h0Ɩ0cαųst denier...
For a good video, go to youtube and search 'greatest story never told' it is a good beginner docuмentary...

Painted by the Greatest Son of Germany

I could not agree more with this post. Adolf Hitler has become a Jєωιѕн Shiboleth. "if you like Blue Bell Homemade Vanilla better than this fat free flavorlessdouble chocolate sinful delight, well your worse than Hitler". Makes you wonder why after our Lord, Jєωs and their lib tards hate Hitler the 2nd most. He's in good company I'd say. Oh and as to fascism, it is not Socialism in the classic sense in any way. It merely orders the state towards the common good as the Church has always taught. Bear in mind it was Mussolini that made Catholicism the state religion and they control the schools and courts to this day in Italy. I'd expound more but I need a nap. Oh, my father's father (Nonno) was an actual Fascist party member and black shirt who served as an officer in the Italian army and fought in southern Russia/Ukraine. I know a thing or two personally about "fascism" it is NOT related to marxist working class ownership of the economy. Any one who says so is an idioto and parlando loro culo.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 11, 2015, 05:33:59 PM »

Quote from: MrYeZe

You got a lot of things wrong here, bud. For one thing, fascists 'did' despise Marxists ideologically due to the fact that fascism relies heavily on traditionalism and meritorious hierarchy and classism while Marxism aims to destroy all of those things.

You are correct my friend. It needs to be emphasised however that Fascism was different from a monarchy as well, since instead of a hierarchy based on class and privelage the hierarchy was instead shifted to the question of talent and performance, as you hinted in your post when you said 'meritorious hierarchy.'

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 11, 2015, 05:42:21 PM »

Despite the name, National Socialism was definitely not your modern term of socialism today either since it was not egalitarian in "helping people." Hitler admitted to this when he said, "Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian socialism. True socialism respects private property, Marxian socialism does not," and, "It was a truly catastrophic thing to name our party a party of socialists. I say as long as a man has enough to eat, has a roof over his head, and has clothes on his back then he has his socialism."

AlanF · « **Reply #14 on:** April 11, 2015, 06:03:26 PM »

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Despite the name, National Socialism was definitely not your modern term of socialism today either since it was not egalitarian in "helping people." Hitler admitted to this when he said, "Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian socialism. True socialism respects private property, Marxian socialism does not," and, "It was a truly catastrophic thing to name our party a party of socialists. I say as long as a man has enough to eat, has a roof over his head, and has clothes on his back then he has his socialism."

In the early 20th century "socialism" as a term was more widely applied than it is today. It didn't only refer to Marxism, as it generally does today, but to anti-Marxist anti-Capitalists movements like National Socialism and Corporatism, Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera's National Syndicalism was another completely non-Marxist form of Socialism. The Distributism of Chesterton and Belloc was often described as "Guild Socialism".

Many Catholics today, especially American ones, don't know the difference and end up thinking anything that isn't Capitalism must be "Socialism".