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My emphasis. Vatican II - Lumen Gentium No.5


http://www.thecompassnews.org/2013/08/vatican-orders-slight-change-in-text-for-baptism/

By Cindy Wooden | Catholic News Service
August 22, 2013
Text to emphasize role of universal church

VATICAN CITY — To emphasis that the sacrament of baptism formally brings a person into the church of God and not just into a local Christian community, the Vatican has ordered a slight change of wording in the baptismal rite.

At the beginning of the rite, instead of saying, “the Christian community welcomes you with great joy,” the officiating minister will say, “the church of God welcomes you with great joy.”

“Baptism is the sacrament of faith in which people are incorporated into the one church of Christ, which subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the successor of Peter and the bishops in communion with him,” said the decree from the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments.

The decree is dated Feb. 22 and was published in the latest issue of “Notitiae,” the congregation’s newsletter.

Signed by Cardinal Antonio Canizares Llovera, congregation prefect, and Archbishop Arthur Roche, congregation secretary, the decree said the change to the wording in Latin and all local languages was approved Jan. 28 by Pope Benedict XVI; the pope resigned a month later.

The new wording, the decree said, better emphasizes Catholic doctrine that, through baptism, a person is incorporated into the universal church and not just into a parish.

Although the rest of the formula remains the same, by beginning with an affirmation of the entire church welcoming the one about to be baptized, the minister also makes clear that the sacrament is being administered in the name of the church and not just in the name of the local community.

Before the change, the approved English text read: “The Christian community welcomes you with great joy. In its name I claim you for Christ our savior by the sign of his cross.”

The decree said the change was to have gone into effect in the Latin text March 31.

Msgr. Rick Hilgartner, executive director of the Secretariat of Divine Worship for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said the bishops were due to have a preliminary draft translation of the Rite of Baptism of Children next year, so he believed the change would simply be incorporated in the revised edition as it is approved and published.

Do you know what the actual words of the NO minister is nowadays,
Is the form (words), the same, in other words , "I baptize thee , in the name of the Father , in the name of the Son, and the Holy Ghost", ??

Yes, that's the form. It hasn't changed.

and sure, no one will notice..... :thinking:

"People of God," "subsists in," "community of believers," etc., are all VII weasel words. The surest way to know you're receiving valid sacraments is to seek out a traditional priest ordained in the traditional rite.

It sounds terrible to say this, but I often hope, when passing a novus ordo church that Our Lord is NOT present therein.

I often hope this too. If Christ is present then he is tormented at every Novus Ordo Mass. But if he is not present then it is no big deal because Christ isn't there to be tortured.

...  the minister also makes clear that the sacrament is being administered in the name of the church and not just in the name of the local community.

Well, at least that is a positive development, isn't it?

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All manner of nuanced change - Change, Change, Change::::::::::::


A Traditional Priest defends the Catholic Faith of our Fathers:

The purveyors of Newchurch are probably worse enemies of their
own works and their own sayings, than I am, because they’re never
content with it.  They have to change them to something else!  
Their new religion is in a state of ongoing evolution.  They must not
have anything that has any permanence:  if it has no permanence,
it has no truth.  They are the discontents.  Our crime, in their
eyes, is that we expose what they do.

Their only argument against us is to attack us personally.  Not to
argue the ISSUE, only throw stones at us because, of course, we
are saying what Catholic people recognize as truth.

People will say, “Well, I’m going to stay with the Church.”  But
they’re not staying with the Church – they’re staying in a building!  

They’re not staying with the Church at all, because, the true Faith
has been expelled from the building.  They return to a building
where something else, altogether foreign to their faith, now prevails.  
They’ve become detached around their cozy situation, their comfort.  

It depends on what is meant by "church." How often do you hear "Catholic Church" referenced anymore? Also notice that "church" isn't capitalized, which might seem minor but in fact is very telling. In pre-VII days, "Church" meant one thing only - the Holy Catholic Church.

When I refer to the Church I try to remember to capitalize the c because I am refering to the Catholic Church.