Quote from: Augstine Baker

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Quote from: Augstine Baker

Is this a problem too?

No, because that's all that was available. In a Catholic Church, in order to say the Mass, there needs to be an ALTAR with relics in them to say Mass. The Freemasons have systematically had these removed.

Going to quote this because it's important.

A "plan Masonic" for the destruction of the Catholic Church

Directives of the Grand Master of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ to the Bishops Masons:
effective from 1962 (update of Vatican II) reworked in 1993 as a progressive plan for the final stage.

1. Permanently remove any statue from the church, beginning with those of St. Michael the Archangel, patron the Catholic Church, saying that (they) distract (from the) adoration of Christ.

10. Returning to what is stated in paragraph 1, do not just remove the statues from the churches. Remove all the relics altars, and later, the altars themselves. Replace with pagan boards, no dedication, which can be used for human sacrifice during Satanic ceremonies. Eliminate the canonical laws which force to celebrate only on the altar containing relics.

11. Discontinue the practice of celebrating Mass, direction, or, at least, the presence of the Blessed Sacrament in the tabernacle. Do not admit any tabernacle on the altar that are used for the celebration of mass. The board should have the look of a kitchen table. It must be transportable to express that it is not sacred, but must serve more than one purpose, for example, conference or play cards. Further on, place at least one seat (by) this table. (SEE THE CHAIRS IN THE BACKGROUND?!?!?!) The priest must take place to indicate that, after Communion, he rest as after a meal. The priest must not ever do genuflections, kneeling, or standing. At meals, in fact, there never (is) kneel(ing). The chair of the priest should be (in the) place (of the) tabernacle. Encourage people to have the feelings of veneration and worship towards the priest that should (be) had towards the Eucharist, this would be "good thing" obey like Jesus in person. Place the Tabernacle in another room, out of sight. (I DO NOT SEE THE TABERNACLE EITHER! DO YOU?)



The thread is here:

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/A-Chiesa-Viva-worth-reading

All altars have relics in them, including the one being used in that picture.

Are you  aware of how long that altar has been there?

I'm asking because I"m trying to destermine whether you're condemning all free-standing altars, just those after the council, or what.

Not sure what principle you're clinging to here.

I'm saying that by observing the setting of the place, it is obviously a reflection of what the Freemasons intended. It's really nothing to rejoice about.

Anyone that doesn't smell a rat at the supposed "re-introduction of the Mass" into the post-conciliar Church is likely going to be one of the frogs in the pot of cold water, with a flame underneath it, just like (from my generation, anyway) my parents were, as the Church was destroyed via incrementalism right before their eyes, without them even realizing it.

You started off by saying that the altar wasn't consecrated, and now you are insisting that the way the altar is laid out that it's something the Masons would approve of.

A Mass can be said anywhere as I've pointed out.

In fact, there's an SSPX video that shows how to build a Catholic altar in one of those denuded sanctuaries in under fifteen minutes.

You and a few others might see the inside of a Masonic Lodge, but most everyone else simply sees a Catholic Sanctuary and an altar where the Immemorial Mass of All Ages is being said.

Will the Bishop encourage the Parish Priest to restore the sanctuary to its proper condition, assuming the original high altar was removed?  I hope so.

Seeing neomodernists reverting "back to tradition" all of a sudden should make everyone that knows what's been happening over the years very suspicious, especially if they're keeping the aesthetics of modernity intact within the sanctuaries, and encouraging the "coexistence" of the novus ordo abomination, and the "extraordinary form."

Anyone that honestly thinks that Rome is miraculously going "back to the way it was" will be incredibly disappointed.

Our Lady has indicated that things will get so bad, that it will appear that the enemy has won before the miraculous "revertere" will happen. THIS is NOT that time, and I, for one, won't be fooled by this faux display of mixing tradition with modernity.

Jesus said, "When you see the abomination of desolation in the holy place, the the Prophet Daniel spoke of...then you will know that the time is near."

INteresting. Daniel fortold an abomination of desolation, and it was fulfilled when Antiochus invaded Jerusalem and set up ANOTHER altar in the temple from whence to offer profane sacrifices. So, you had the unused Jєωιѕн altar, and the new Pagan altar.

Now, Jesus references this saying that "When you see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place..."

What is he referring to? Obviously NOT the temple; it would no longer be a holy place after his ressurection, and after 70.ad. It was destroyed.

Also, this is a sign of the END being near. SO it is in our times, or later.

SO, what kind of "alternate altar" (abomination of desolation) setup will be used near the end of time, in a holy place to offer false worship to God; the work of human hands?


I wonder..

Quote from: Gregory I

Jesus said, "When you see the abomination of desolation in the holy place, the the Prophet Daniel spoke of...then you will know that the time is near."

INteresting. Daniel fortold an abomination of desolation, and it was fulfilled when Antiochus invaded Jerusalem and set up ANOTHER altar in the temple from whence to offer profane sacrifices. So, you had the unused Jєωιѕн altar, and the new Pagan altar.

Now, Jesus references this saying that "When you see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place..."

What is he referring to? Obviously NOT the temple; it would no longer be a holy place after his ressurection, and after 70.ad. It was destroyed.

Also, this is a sign of the END being near. SO it is in our times, or later.

SO, what kind of "alternate altar" (abomination of desolation) setup will be used near the end of time, in a holy place to offer false worship to God; the work of human hands?


I wonder..

I wonder too since that altar was probably there before the Council.

What altar? The chopping block in the middle of the sanctuary? That wasn't there "before the council." That was put there AFTER it, and where the chairs were, is where the REAL altar USED to be! The REAL altar was probably broken up and destroyed and used for firewood, and the marble is probably out in the parking lot getting hit by cars.

Really? You have x-ray vision? 'Cause I can see the altar cloth there, covering up whatever it's made out of.