Author Topic: Traditional Catholics who have a Same-Sex Orientation (Read 4891 times)

RonCal26 · « **on:** January 12, 2012, 08:57:32 AM »

I met several traditional Catholics in my life who identified themselves as gαy because they have what we call a same sex orientation---meaning they are attracted to the same sex and not the opposite sex.

As many Western-minded traditional Catholics refuse to address or recognize this critical issue here, same-sex attractions knows no barriers and is even present among the traditional Catholic clergy and laity.

Growing up as a young traditional Catholic (because now I'm in my mid-twenties), I encountered prejudicial statements against those who had same-sex attractions. One traditional Catholic whom I was formerly acquainted with (who is now a Benedictine monk) referred to those born with same-sex attractions (not active or practising ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs) as "crazy".

I think traditional Catholics need to realize not every traditional Catholic out there is gonna blonde and blue eyes, caucasian looking who aspires to preserve Victorian era-European culture from the so-called invasion of multi-culturalism in the United States or other Western nations.

I wish someone can add some input or opinion to this post here? Would appreciate it =)

Man of the West · « **Reply #1 on:** January 12, 2012, 09:21:17 AM »

Quote from: RonCal26

I think traditional Catholics need to realize not every traditional Catholic out there is gonna blonde and blue eyes, caucasian looking who aspires to preserve Victorian era-European culture from the so-called invasion of multi-culturalism in the United States or other Western nations.

I'm not sure what this paragraph has to do with your main point about ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Traditionalists, but it brings up an interesting sidebar. I would concede that people who come from a traditional society, as many people from Asia and the Global South still do, are perhaps on that account a more natural "fit" for Traditional Catholicism; but that is because their cultures have not already been destroyed by multiculturalism and other associated Leftist ideologies. Traditional Catholics in the West have a unique situation of their own, in which they are trying not only to live like good Christians but to fight back a modernist tide that has engulfed their lands for three centuries. Some of us may come off as sounding too Occidental and racist, but that is because we are defending our own culture, not because we hate others.

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One traditional Catholic whom I was formerly acquainted with (who is now a Benedictine monk) referred to those born with same-sex attractions (not active or practising ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs) as "crazy".

I think your acquaintance was right. ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ attraction is a disordered passion, a disturbance of the way were meant to function. It can fairly be equated to a mild species of madness. There is nothing prejudicial about that. Whether it is politic to say so in a given instance is, of course, a separate question. You have to deliberate on what would be best for the person's soul.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #2 on:** January 12, 2012, 09:21:55 AM »

Quote from: RonCal26

I think traditional Catholics need to realize not every traditional Catholic out there is gonna blonde and blue eyes, caucasian looking who aspires to preserve Victorian era-European culture from the so-called invasion of multi-culturalism in the United States or other Western nations.

How do you derail your own topic in the first post? :scratchchin:

Why do those with same-sex attractions find it necessary to tell you? We all have our crosses in life and don't need to seperately define ourselves according to them.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #3 on:** January 12, 2012, 09:24:24 AM »

There's no such thing as a "gαy Traditional Catholic". You can't be gαy and call yourself a Christian!

RonCal26 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 12, 2012, 09:45:28 AM »

The modern term for same sex orientation or gαy orientation means one who is sɛҳuąƖly attracted to the same sex and does not presuppose wanting to engage in sɛҳuąƖ activity.

Especially coming from a Hispanic Catholic culture, sex in many Hispanic Catholic families unlike in many modern American families like those of a Protestant background.

One can have a same-sex attraction and be Catholic at the same time. To believe in the agenda propagated by the LGBT community would really mean sundering oneself from the True Faith for many issues.

I have no intention of disparaging others... I'm happy to know that I met traditional Catholics (both sedevacantist and non-sedevacantist) who have addressed this issue in a compassionate and uncompromising manner than the traditional Catholic laity.

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #5 on:** January 12, 2012, 09:52:50 AM »

You've got your head filled up with a feeling of entitlement. Nobody wants to know about any disordered sɛҳuąƖ habits you have.

That's between you and your confessor.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #6 on:** January 12, 2012, 10:01:18 AM »

People with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ inclinations should not advertise the fact, first of all. It is disgusting and damages their reputation. If they are truly committed to living a chaste life and wish to be helpful to their fellow Christians they should not speak openly of it.

This is a problem I have with "12 step programs" - the idea that there is true anonymity and secrecy is an illusion. It's hard enough to trust the seal of the confessional these days, the last thing we need is something for traditional Catholics to give fodder to the gossip mills. There are a lot of Catholics who believe they are well-intentioned who wish to know other people's private business, in order to feel more important and powerful. These busybodies need to be kept in the dark as much as possible.

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #7 on:** January 12, 2012, 10:06:40 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

People with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ inclinations should not advertise the fact, first of all. It is disgusting and damages their reputation. If they are truly committed to living a chaste life and wish to be helpful to their fellow Christians they should not speak openly of it.

This is a problem I have with "12 step programs" - the idea that there is true anonymity and secrecy is an illusion. It's hard enough to trust the seal of the confessional these days, the last thing we need is something for traditional Catholics to give fodder to the gossip mills. There are a lot of Catholics who believe they are well-intentioned who wish to know other people's private business, in order to feel more important and powerful. These busybodies need to be kept in the dark as much as possible.

It's not just with those Catholics whom, I assume, are your coreligionists, but it's a part of human nature.

s2srea · « **Reply #8 on:** January 12, 2012, 10:10:19 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

People with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ inclinations should not advertise the fact, first of all. It is disgusting and damages their reputation. If they are truly committed to living a chaste life and wish to be helpful to their fellow Christians they should not speak openly of it.

This is a problem I have with "12 step programs" - the idea that there is true anonymity and secrecy is an illusion. It's hard enough to trust the seal of the confessional these days, the last thing we need is something for traditional Catholics to give fodder to the gossip mills. There are a lot of Catholics who believe they are well-intentioned who wish to know other people's private business, in order to feel more important and powerful. These busybodies need to be kept in the dark as much as possible.

While I have no doubts about the seal of confession with any of the trad priests I've met (were you referring to the NO?), I agree with you. This is an issue that just shouldn't be advertised so simply to other laity. It is dangerous to everyone, including those who my rightly fighting the idea that they have this disorder of attraction to the same sex.

Being truly committed to living a chaste life means not going around saying, "Hey, I'm gαy. I know it. But I'm still going to be a Trad." This is an anti-Catholic attitude. Look at history. One should feel remorse for having had such feelings, and embarrassed. Of course our culture promotes the opposite sentiments. And it seems like RonCal seems to have lived in a culture that is indifferent to sodomy, as almost all of our national cultures do, he seems to now try to justify and accept this fact for his friends who have mentioned this to him. Its a devil's trick to try to make this seem as normal as having 'blue eyes', or brown eyes. Its not. Its a disorder which needs treatment, but the way our priests are spread so thin, the attention many need is just not there, sadly.

RonCal26 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 12, 2012, 10:15:39 AM »

AugustineBaker, no I'm not caught in this inclination and don't assume that. I address this issue since it's now becoming a reality that needs to addressed in my opinion.

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #10 on:** January 12, 2012, 10:19:41 AM »

Most people who have a predilection for children keep quiet about it in this day and age.

Just because there's a media blitz encouraging you in this behavior and that there are large pockets and sub-cultures where this behavior is acceptable is no reason to come to places where it's not and declare your infamy.

You also have to look at it this way. ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ behavior, and pederasty, have come in and out of fashion in different societies throughout history.

At some point, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is going to look stupid and even evil to the people you want to associate with, and your enthusiasm for it is going to close some doors.

At some point, if a Marxist insurgency ever gets the upper hand in the Philippines, it might even end your life, since ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is considered a thought crime by the Communist Party and those people are dealt with.

Of course, more important than human society is God almighty. Although societies do have justifiable penalties for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activity, there are other penalties for the sin of Sodomy that are inflicted by the natural law, which you're probably acquainted with already in one way or another if you move in those circles.

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, despite living in a society which practically worships them, have high rates of ѕυιcιdє, drug abuse, violent deaths and so on...

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #11 on:** January 12, 2012, 10:22:14 AM »

Quote from: RonCal26

AugustineBaker, no I'm not caught in this inclination and don't assume that. I address this issue since it's now becoming a reality that needs to addressed in my opinion.

The same thing still applies.

The sin of sodomy has been addressed. The scriptures say that "sodomy is a sin which cries out to heaven for vengeance".

You can bring race and culture and all that other crap into the picture, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a great moral evil and that human societies are right to punish it.

These "realities" are nothing new.

Augustinian · « **Reply #12 on:** January 12, 2012, 10:30:09 AM »

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ attraction, orientation, or leanings is a sure sign of demonic possession. Demons can possess little children from a very early age and cause them to have these "feelings" early on, making them wrongly believe it's in their genes.

Augustinian · « **Reply #13 on:** January 12, 2012, 10:30:47 AM »

Quote from: RonCal26

I think traditional Catholics need to realize not every traditional Catholic out there is gonna blonde and blue eyes, caucasian looking who aspires to preserve Victorian era-European culture from the so-called invasion of multi-culturalism in the United States or other Western nations.

Somebody obviously has a problem with Europeans.

If it wasn't for Europeans you'd probably still be worshiping phallics and sacrificing to the chicken god.

RonCal26 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 12, 2012, 10:36:20 AM »

No no..it if wasn't for Catholics... we would still be like that... we shouldn't be nationalistic and always remember we are Catholics first before the color of our skin although because of human frailty, we forget that at times.