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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: Trinity on May 07, 2007, 02:41:39 AM
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Greenburg Tornado rated as an EF-5 .
http://www.kake.com/breakingnews/7347256.html (http://www.kake.com/breakingnews/7347256.html)
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I find it strange that they haven't found any survivors or bodies since immediately after the tornado. My mind boggles at the thought of an entire town being destroyed. Well, I've been asking what is going on in Heaven. Perhaps at some level I have recognized this as an answer, because it has affected me greatly.
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Trinity,
I thought the same thing. I did read that there was an attempt to evacuate in advance.....but surely that could not be it...how much advance warning was there.
Heaven has been very vocal. Sadly, only a few are listening.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/?yguid=47742484 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/?yguid=47742484)
http://www.call2holiness.org/era-of-peace.html (http://www.call2holiness.org/era-of-peace.html)
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I heard nothing about an attempt to evacuate in advance. But I can readily believe that we have entered into the chastisement. Frankly I don't think that Greensburg will be re established, either. I can't help but think of this in the light of what Jesus said about the people who were killed by the collapse of that tower. And I can't help but think that not many people see it in that light. We are in such a terrible age of unbelief.
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Link to a slideshow of the devastation.
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/us/050607plainstornado/p:129;_ylt=Ah6MQKQnBLTJJOxX7GdMBq1saMYA?sp=6000&auto=yes
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What do you know about the chastisement, Cub? Specifically is this something to our benefit? Will it hinder or stop the evil designs being constructed against us?
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I have long believed that our prayers and penances made a difference and took comfort from that. But lately I find myself in the position of John the Baptist when he sent to ask if Jesus was the One. Kind of like I've lost sight of things, which is why I'm asking what may seem silly questions these days.
I used to follow the mechanations of the evil menagerie closely, but now I figure that's a waste of time as well as being dangerous to no advantage. They're going to get where they're going, unless God intervenes. Which is to say that there is nothing we humans can do anymore, except pray and do penance hoping that He will "leave a blessing behind". I think what I'm looking for are signs of Divine interference in these schemes, or something along the line of Joel. From what you said above it doesn't look like the Joel scenario is in the script. Too bad. I'm dead weary of the triumph of evil. And I had a sneaking hope that the chastisement will eliminate some of that evil.
I used to follow John Leary and was quite the little survivalist. Now I don't think that survivalism is the answer at all, and may even run counter to the answer. I say this because it seems to encourage looking out for number one at a time when it is most likely that survival will depend on looking out for each other, especially in light of the message of the cross which is sacrifice of self for the sake of others. satan's "hour" ended in Christ's triumph because He laid down His life. I can't help but see following that example as the answer to this "day" of wrath.
Anyway it is no small problem in this day and age when people just naturally deal with what is going on in a very selfish manner---mostly turning a blind eye to it. Still, only five good men were needed to save Sodom...
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I disagree a bit......
Our Lord has told us through certain of the contemporary prophets (yet-to-be-approved) to store food, water and supplies for what will soon be upon us. We are not to attempt to overdo it, but simply put extra things to the side. He has promised to multiply them when the time comes.
Further, He has told us to share with others...specifically those that He sends to us to help. Those who share will have their provisions multiplied. Those who hoard and do not share will have them consumed.
The days of Elijah have arrived!
Trinity, think about it......was Noah a selfish hoarder, or was he obedient?
What specific verses within Joel are you referring to?
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Oddly enough you do get an "I'm safe" feeling from the inexhaustable supply and safe haven in the wilderness, or angel camps. And you don't look for other ways you might change things. Perhaps I took it wrong and others would not, but I don't think so because of our common humanity.
I'm working from the gut here, Cub, without a clear idea of what I'm getting at. But I do have a clear idea of how we act when we follow Leary. It becomes a waiting game and we are not active participants in what is going on in the world. Yes, we share, food and faith, and we pray and do penance, but we are essentially outside of it all. Maybe that's just what we should be, but then, maybe it's not. I just have this niggling feeling that this world needs saints and martyrs, people who lay everything on the line, you know.
I guess I'm referring to the whole book of Joel, but, of course, the happy part is the last chapter, where even the weak say, "I am strong". That's active participation in this war. If we would just start doing something about this awful tide of evil it would be less awful. Like recalling or otherwise removing the politicians and judges who betray our trust. Zeal for the House and the Laws of the Lord. Now I'm on my :soapbox: Sorry. But so many people think the law is the ruler of right and wrong, and we are letting the ruler be bent totally out of shape.
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If we would just start doing something about this awful tide of evil it would be less awful.
It will get worse before it gets better.....and unprecedented evil will decend upon the world soon.
Our Lord has told us, that when the devastation comes....to look up (at His Holy Face), and not out.
All will be well if we obey Our Lord's directives and continue to hold on to the Blessed Mother's hand.
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There was a big catastrophic tornado in Oklahoma some years ago. Were people just as scared, pointing to the end of the world?
Sometimes a tornado is just a tornado. I don't know, but all this doomsday mentality stuff is kind of creepy. The world is still looking very much alive. When I see strange lights in the sky on a sunny day, I'll start to worry. But for now, I'll just pass along and keep my wits about me.
In my mind the only way to prepare is to pray every day. No need to get all worked up about what might or might not be around the corner.
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Revelation
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¤ The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to make known to his servants the things which must shortly come to pass: and signified, sending by his angel to his servant John,
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Who hath given testimony to the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ, what things soever he hath seen.
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Blessed is he that readeth and heareth the words of this prophecy: and keepeth those things which are written in it. For the time is at hand.
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Yes, it's this acceptance of the way things are--might I call it fatalism?--which I'm on about. Are we really this defeated? If we fought it and tried to correct as much as we can, would God not fight with us? If we actually stood up for right behavior and right guidelines (laws) would we be disobedient? I think most of all of the young ones who have no one to protect them or point out right from wrong. Is fatalism and, what did Miss Fluffy say, passing along, all we've got to uphold us? The ultimate victory will be Christ's, I know, but in the meantime how many victims will the flood claim while we pass along or hang on? There is one word that only satan's people understand---action. Mention that word to a Christian and the conversation ends right there.
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In my mind the only way to prepare is to pray every day. No need to get all worked up about what might or might not be around the corner.
There is something quite impressive about tornadoes, both in their violence, and seemingly discrimate path. No wonder it's dubbed "The finger of God"
But besides that, I'm striken by the very low death toll, compared to the total damage. Furthermore, the communities reaction and pulling together is heart warming.
I leave to others their own religious interpretations, but I see much positive hidden in this tragedy.
While I feel for Trinity who seem to have a personal connection due to her proximity - and those who lost a loved one -, we must all realize this is more a close call, then an actual catastrophy, and that most of the damage was mostly material, which can and will be rebuilt, there or elsewhere.
Both the sufficiant warning and communications to avert a much bigger death toll, and the communities exceptional reaction does not spell doom to me. Au contraire, these people directly affected lead the way with their hopes of rebuilding.
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There are some who aren't as optimistic about the rebuilding of Greensburg, as you are. I'm inclined to think it won't be rebuilt, but that's not the point. Like you, I am surprised and glad that the death toll was so low---not that that comforts the bereaved. The fact that it is so low tends to point to God as the author---a warning and not a wipe out. At least it does in my opinion.
I am on my own oddessey here, and I seem to be alone on it. Either others aren't exhausted by the galluping evil, or they have failed to recognize it, or they are much more passive than I am. I am puzzled, though, by these lights of the world who seem to be content under the bushel basket. I think of the old priests who would not have been content to shake their heads and talk about it, but would have taken the bull by the horns. Why is this? What is this strange malaise? Did God ordain this, and am I fighting Him when I fight this? Or have we been tricked by another cunning ruse of the devil? I really don't know, and I wish I did.
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There are some who aren't as optimistic about the rebuilding of Greensburg, as you are.
Well, I'm not personnally optimistic about the faith of the town itself. I was rather pointing out at those folks fighting and positive attitude.
Either there or elsewhere, these folks will make it work, pending they do not loose their hopeful attitude.
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They've kind of got to, unless they just settle on a dunghill and scrape their sores with pot shards.
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Two things. I cannot believe that JP II did the correct consecration in '84 (?), because there have been no fruits.
All this "do nothing" has gotten on my last nerve. That old saying that evil flourishes when good men are silent is true, and it is re inforced every day while evil takes over everything practically unopposed. I've read a lot of books on the saints and by the saints and even old sermons, and those people did not stand idly by while souls and bodies were crushed, God was mocked and "right" was run from the public square. No, they fought it with everything they had in their arsenal, even if it cost them their lives. We can only be muzzled if we want to be muzzled. So if Fr Gobbi is selling "do nothing", then I am not buying. We will answer for sins of omission, too.
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Well, I know for sure that Medjugorge is a false appartion because some of the messages contradict Catholic teachings.
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Magdalene,
That is a 'gratuitous assertion'. Please prove your point with facts.
BTW, your attention is re-directed to the points made in my last post with respect to Medjugorje. The declaration of the council of bishops is clear.....and the letter from the CDF affirm their postion.
Medjugorje remains in the NEUTRAL category.
Please advise how it is that you know that Medjugorje is false and (1) several bishops on the council, (2) the CDF, and (3) the many cardinals, archbishops, bishops, and priests that have visited there and support it do not know.
God bless,
Cub
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Can't speak for Magdalene, Cub, but I consider all the NO clergy and hierarchy as suspect. That makes it hard for you to validate these things, I know. Chalk another one up for satan in splitting us yet again. To find a north star we can all agree on we have to go back before John XXIII.
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I think that satan wouldn't at all mind that many join and progess in the novus ordo church. He knows that it is as false as all the other religions.