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    WND Exclusive SUFFER THE CHILDREN
    Top Catholic pins sɛҳuąƖ abuse on married men
    Pro-family group calls comment 'blasphemy,' demands public apology
    Posted: August 22, 2011
    8:08 pm Eastern

    By Drew Zahn
    © 2011 WND



    Archbishop Timothy Dolan

    One of the nation's most prominent Catholic leaders has elicited outrage after telling a national news show that the "greatest culprits" in the sɛҳuąƖ abuse of children are not celibate priests, but married men.

    Archbishop of New York Timothy Dolan, referred to in a CBS report as "the American pope" after his election to head of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, was being grilled by the network's "60 Minutes" reporter Morley Safer on some of the Catholic Church's most controversial stances.

    When Safer suggested that the incidence of priests sɛҳuąƖly abusing children might be decreased if Catholic clergy were allowed to be married, Dolan responded, "I don't know if – what we know scholarship-wise would back that up, Morley. The greatest culprits in sɛҳuąƖ abuse are unfortunately married men. So, I don't know if marriage is the answer."

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    « Reply #1 on: August 23, 2011, 04:37:00 PM »
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  • I'm sick of hearing that "we should let priests be married so they won't commit sɛҳuąƖ abuse" argument.

    If it was just sɛҳuąƖ frustration, there wouldn't be such a strong ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ element to it.

    I was a (healthy) single guy for *many years*. I never had the temptation to be with a man OR boy. Young women -- that's a different story. That attraction never goes away -- in fact, the saints remind us that most will have an attraction *until death* for the opposite sex. There's no age at which sɛҳuąƖ urges magically go away.

    I was also a seminarian for over 3 years. The only time I ever had to "practice custody of the eyes" etc. was when I was around an attractive young woman. I didn't have to avert my eyes from altar boys or any males.

    The fact is that the media keeps the facts hidden -- most of this so-called "sɛҳuąƖ abuse" in the Church is man-on-boy.

    It has nothing to do with priests being celibate, and everything to do with the crypto-network of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in the Novus Ordo establishment.
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    « Reply #2 on: August 23, 2011, 04:46:26 PM »
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  • Most of the people I've heard making these kinds of arguments are themselves self-proclaimed ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs or very effeminate.

    Sodomites make up about one point five percent of the population, and a substantially large proportion of them have preyed upon minors at one point in their lives.

    If you're able to justify the kinds of things Sodomties do, it's not a great leap to be a pederast.

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    « Reply #3 on: August 23, 2011, 06:28:42 PM »
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  • I don't think this is true of Archbishop Dolan.  I think he is just an idiot.
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    « Reply #4 on: August 23, 2011, 06:31:42 PM »
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  • They are never going to admit to the link between ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and pedophilia.

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/sɛҳuąƖly-Abused-Males-Oprah-Style
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    « Reply #5 on: November 10, 2011, 08:58:19 PM »
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  • So how would one go about to adequately refute this:

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/gαys-anatomy/200809/ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity-and-pedophilia-the-false-link

    Q: I've heard therapists say that a male adult who sɛҳuąƖly abuses a boy isn't necessarily ‘ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.' This seems confusing: If he isn't ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, then why would he sɛҳuąƖly molest boys, instead of girls?

    This is a very good question, and there are several ways to respond to it. First, we need to clarify our definitions. When discussing sɛҳuąƖ abuse and molestation of children, there's often conflict over terminology. One frequently quoted researchers on the topic of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and child molestation, Gregory Herek, a research psychologist at the University of California, defines pedophilia as "a psychosɛҳuąƖ disorder characterized by a preference for prepubescent children as sɛҳuąƖ partners, which may or may not be acted upon." He defines child sɛҳuąƖ abuse as "actual sɛҳuąƖ contact between an adult and someone who has not reached the legal age of consent." Not all pedophiles actually molest children, he points out. A pedophile may be attracted to children, but never actually engage in sɛҳuąƖ contact with them. Quite often, pedophiles never develop a sɛҳuąƖ orientation toward other adults.....


    I have an idea of what 'I' would say, in response. But what would you say? Thanks!

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    « Reply #6 on: November 10, 2011, 09:07:21 PM »
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  • I've heard the argument that priests should be allowed to marry to avoid pedophila and affairs from several Novus Ordites, and it is totally illogical. Does anyone really think that someone who is a pedophile/molester will put their child obsession behind them just because they get married? That would be like someone being addicted to porn, then getting married and saying their addiction went away. Mental problems like pedophilia don't just go away, just like, as Matthew said, attractions don't go away. The person needs to seek help in order to correct their issues.

    As far as whether or not a majority of peds are married, I don't know. But that is irrelevant. Either way, it wouldn't really change anything.
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    « Reply #7 on: November 10, 2011, 09:40:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: Augstine Baker
    ....Sodomites make up about one point five percent of the population, and a substantially large proportion of them have preyed upon minors at one point in their lives...


    Yes!

    The buggery enthusiasts are very proud of their factoid that "most child abusers are heterosɛҳuąƖ."

    Piercing the factoid: the 1% of the population that is queer, molests about 49% of the known victims.  That means the average pervert is about 50 times more dangerous to children than the average normal person.

    The ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖist Dolan's factoid is similarly flawed.  The minuscule fraction of the population that are "Catholic" priests account for an enormously disproportionate percentage of child rape.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 10, 2011, 11:04:27 PM »
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  • We all know that evil organizations such as the Freemasons and the Communists have infiltrated the Catholic Church, and so wasn't it the idea of these organizations to infiltrate the Church by using ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs?  They wanted to bring down the Church from within. What more sinister way then that?  

    Some years ago I read the very depressing book, Goodbye, Good Men: How Liberals Brought Corruption into the Catholic Church by Michael Rose.  I have always hesitated to even bring this book up in conversation because I really don't want to recommend the book to anyone since it is just too disgusting and depressing to read about the infiltration of the Catholic Church by ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and the ousting of many good men who could have become good priests.  If I remember correctly, the timeline that the book is based on is the period of Vatican II, but a WW 2 Vet told me many years ago that it was "common knowledge" that homos went into the seminaries in order to avoid the draft, so if he was right then the infiltration began some years before Vatican 2.  

    But, getting back to my main point here, the question in my mind for some years now has been, Did the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs start infiltrating the Church to avoid the draft, or did the Communists and Freemasons place gαys in seminaries to infiltrate the Church.... or both?  

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    « Reply #9 on: November 10, 2011, 11:32:46 PM »
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  • Diego-
    do you have a source for this, or remember where you read it?


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    the 1% of the population that is queer, molests about 49% of the known victims.

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    « Reply #10 on: November 11, 2011, 12:56:09 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    Young women -- that's a different story. That attraction never goes away -- in fact, the saints remind us that most will have an attraction *until death* for the opposite sex. There's no age at which sɛҳuąƖ urges magically go away.


    What does this mean?


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    « Reply #11 on: November 11, 2011, 01:06:08 AM »
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  • There are many men who commit incest and molest young girls.  

    How is it possible, then, that this happens so rarely in the Novus Ordo and that these priests are almost always chicken hawks?

    Only the most insipid political correctness could make anyone believe that these "priests" being married would cure their ills. The truth, as Matthew said, is that there is a pedophile network in the Novus Ordo.  One pedophile becomes head of a seminary, guess what happens?  He admits others who are like him, and blocks out the non-effeminate men.  Goodbye, good men.  Like attracts like.  We all know that gαys use various signs and signals by which they recognize each other, like they flip up the tongues of their shoes or put a flag in their back pocket or whatever.  They know.  

    If the problem were celibacy in itself, a much better argument in favor of married priests would be the concubine epidemic in the Middle Ages.  Yet no one made the argument then; at least no one I've heard of.  This was when many priests had live-in female lovers.

    Hmmm...  In the Middle Ages, the priests were comitting sin with women...  Now they are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ pedophiles... Something tells me this isn't about the rigors of celibacy.  If they were heterosɛҳuąƖs struggling with celibacy, they would have female lovers, they wouldn't be preying on boys.




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    « Reply #12 on: November 11, 2011, 12:28:37 PM »
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    Some years ago I read the very depressing book, Goodbye, Good Men: How Liberals Brought Corruption into the Catholic Church by Michael Rose.  I have always hesitated to even bring this book up in conversation because I really don't want to recommend the book to anyone since it is just too disgusting and depressing to read about the infiltration of the Catholic Church by ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and the ousting of many good men who could have become good priests.  If I remember correctly, the timeline that the book is based on is the period of Vatican II, but a WW 2 Vet told me many years ago that it was "common knowledge" that homos went into the seminaries in order to avoid the draft, so if he was right then the infiltration began some years before Vatican 2.  

    But, getting back to my main point here, the question in my mind for some years now has been, Did the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs start infiltrating the Church to avoid the draft, or did the Communists and Freemasons place gαys in seminaries to infiltrate the Church.... or both?  



    I don't believe it is accurate at all to say that gαys started entering the seminary to avoid the draft. That doesn't make sense in the scheme of things. There were plenty of men dodging the draft by other means, and the seminary of course is just one of them. Honestly it kinda sounds like something along the lines of "draft dodgers are effeminate".

    The fact that Masons were creeping into the Church well before the 20th century is enough for one to determine at what point ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs started infiltrating the Church. Keep in mind that many higher ranking Masons are involved with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity since it's often a requirement for participation in certain ranks and orders.
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    « Reply #13 on: November 12, 2011, 08:50:58 AM »
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  • Quote from: s2srea
    So how would one go about to adequately refute this:

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/gαys-anatomy/200809/ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity-and-pedophilia-the-false-link

    Q: I've heard therapists say that a male adult who sɛҳuąƖly abuses a boy isn't necessarily ‘ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.' This seems confusing: If he isn't ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, then why would he sɛҳuąƖly molest boys, instead of girls?

    This is a very good question, and there are several ways to respond to it. First, we need to clarify our definitions. When discussing sɛҳuąƖ abuse and molestation of children, there's often conflict over terminology. One frequently quoted researchers on the topic of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and child molestation, Gregory Herek, a research psychologist at the University of California, defines pedophilia as "a psychosɛҳuąƖ disorder characterized by a preference for prepubescent children as sɛҳuąƖ partners, which may or may not be acted upon." He defines child sɛҳuąƖ abuse as "actual sɛҳuąƖ contact between an adult and someone who has not reached the legal age of consent." Not all pedophiles actually molest children, he points out. A pedophile may be attracted to children, but never actually engage in sɛҳuąƖ contact with them. Quite often, pedophiles never develop a sɛҳuąƖ orientation toward other adults.....


    I have an idea of what 'I' would say, in response. But what would you say? Thanks!


    Someone who preys on prepubescent children is different from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who prey on sɛҳuąƖly mature adolescents and children.

    Pedophiles are far rarer than ephebophiles, but don't rule out the deomonic in either case.