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« on: November 03, 2013, 08:08:33 AM »
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  • Rom 13:8-10
     Brethren: Owe no man anything except to love on another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. For You shall not commit adultery. You shall not kill. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness. You shall not covet; and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no evil to a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.


    Matt 8:23-27
     At that time, Jesus got into a boat, and His disciples followed Him. And behold, there arose a great storm on the sea, so that the boat was covered by the waves; but He was asleep. So they came and woke Him, saying, Lord save us! we are perishing! But He said to them, Why are you fearful, O you of little faith? Then He arose and rebuked the wind and the sea, and there came a great calm. And the men marveled, saying, What manner of Man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey Him?


    Thoughts?  

    And for those of us who don't have a mass to attend, could you please share with us what your priest said during his sermon?
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    « Reply #1 on: November 03, 2013, 08:13:09 AM »
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  • The first thought I had about the gospel last night when I was going over the readings was how English can sometimes be such a rough and crass sounding language.  Latin, not so.  

    In English, the gospel begins "At that time, Jesus got into a boat."

    Now say that out loud a few times.  

    And then the Latin:

    "In illo témpore: Ascendénte Iesu in navículam."

    And say that out loud a few times.

    Latin wins aesthetically and aurally by a landslide.
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    « Reply #2 on: November 03, 2013, 08:15:59 AM »
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    Rom 13:8-10
     Brethren: Owe no man anything except to love on another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. For You shall not commit adultery. You shall not kill. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness. You shall not covet; and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no evil to a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.


    Matt 8:23-27
     At that time, Jesus got into a boat, and His disciples followed Him. And behold, there arose a great storm on the sea, so that the boat was covered by the waves; but He was asleep. So they came and woke Him, saying, Lord save us! we are perishing! But He said to them, Why are you fearful, O you of little faith? Then He arose and rebuked the wind and the sea, and there came a great calm. And the men marveled, saying, What manner of Man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey Him?


    Thoughts?  

    And for those of us who don't have a mass to attend, could you please share with us what your priest said during his sermon?


    Someone posted a link to a traditional website where you can watch live TLM.
    Since it is sunday today I suppose I better watch it. Perhaps you will hear a sermon that way.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 03, 2013, 08:27:59 AM »
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    Thanks!  That is a Fr Cekada's congregation, no?
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17


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    « Reply #5 on: November 03, 2013, 08:33:49 AM »
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  • By the way, what is a good resource for veils for mass?
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    « Reply #6 on: November 03, 2013, 08:44:10 AM »
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    « Reply #7 on: November 03, 2013, 09:12:52 AM »
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    Thanks!  That is a Fr Cekada's congregation, no?


    I believe so. The sermon was about trust in God citing the example of Saint Therese. They also had a choir that was most excellent.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 03, 2013, 09:21:40 AM »
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    Thanks!  That is a Fr Cekada's congregation, no?


    I believe so. The sermon was about trust in God citing the example of Saint Therese. They also had a choir that was most excellent.


    I am watching it now....thanks so much.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    « Reply #9 on: November 04, 2013, 11:02:44 AM »
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    I know you asked this yesterday but at the time, I had not yet heard
    the sermon.


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    Rom 13:8-10
     Brethren: Owe no man anything except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. For You shall not commit adultery. You shall not kill. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness. You shall not covet; and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no evil to a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.



    When I read this Epistle, it came to mind that a very appropriate
    hymn for this Mass would be Ubi Caritas, from the Holy Thursday
    Mandatum liturgy (washing of the feet).

    Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est..., Where charity and love
    are, there God is... (that is the refrain that begins the chant, and
    it is repeated between verses, and is then sung at the end, just
    before the Amen, which is an unusual pattern in music.  Gregorian
    Chant has occasional curious, unique settings like this).

    It occurred to me that when the priest is "washing" the chalice
    and wiping it out with the hand linen after Communion, and while
    Eucharistic adoration is being practiced by the people assisting,
    this seems to be a most appropriate hymn, recalling the traditional
    use of it for the mandatum, and recalling the holy perseverance of
    the great St. Mary Magdalene, who remained faithful against all
    odds at the feet of Our Lord during His crucifixion.  For this
    is exactly where we belong today!  --At the feet of Our Lord at
    the Cross.  This is where all the saints have received their
    holiness and we are all called to holiness.



    (It's noteworthy that the Ubi caritas chant traditionally sung
    during the mandatum was "moved" to a processional function in
    1970 with the Newmass.  And then in 1975 the words were changed
    to "Ubi caritas est vera, Deus ibi est," with the excuse that it's more
    accurate according to some early manuscripts -- IOW, the Church
    has 'got it wrong' all these centuries, a common lie of Newchurch.
    The simple, stark, pure and haunting melody of Ubi Caritas in its
    three verses -- which traditionally were repeated as necessary
    during the mandatum, since their duration is only 3 minutes and the
    mandatum usually takes about 10 minutes for the pope to wash
    the feet of 12 men -- is a hymn most conducive to contemplation,
    as is being done following Holy Communion at Mass.)



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    Matt 8:23-27
     At that time, Jesus got into a boat, and His disciples followed Him. And behold, there arose a great storm on the sea, so that the boat was covered by the waves; but He was asleep. So they came and woke Him, saying, Lord save us! we are perishing! But He said to them, Why are you fearful, O you of little faith? Then He arose and rebuked the wind and the sea, and there came a great calm. And the men marveled, saying, What manner of Man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey Him?


    Thoughts?  

    And for those of us who don't have a mass to attend, could you please share with us what your priest said during his sermon?



    My priest said this Gospel seems to have been placed here for
    our own time, as if it has been here waiting for us in 2013 all
    these years.  When God has decided that the crisis in the
    Church has raged long enough, He will intervene and rebuke
    the winds of heresy and the sea of confusion that bombards
    Holy Church in our time.  

    He said, "...O you of little faith, why are you fearful?"  The
    Apostles had thought that He had been unaware of the problem,
    that if they didn't "wake him up" that He would just have lain
    there sleeping and then the boat would sink and everyone would
    drown.  You know, like other boats had sunk and other people
    had drowned in the past.  

    But even as He appeared to be "asleep" He was aware.  God is
    never unaware of anything, and we know this by our faith, but
    when we are of little faith, we would lose our own awareness of
    God's own awareness.  We as men can lose our awareness but
    Jesus as God cannot lose His awareness.  He seemed to them
    to be asleep as a test of their faith, and their faith came up
    wanting.  

    How does our faith test today?

    Do we think that God has lost interest in His Church, or that
    He is perhaps somehow 'unaware' that we are up to
    our earlobes in heresy these days,
    and confusion,
    dissension, open attacks on our Faith?  

    Do we think that God has not noticed that His pope does things
    and says things that make the rounds of the world in minutes,
    things that are not unlike the wind and sea that buffeted the
    boat of the Apostles?  

    Do we think that God can't see the barque of Peter in distress?

    Just as God arose and rebuked the wind and the sea and a
    great calm came over them, so too God will arise and rebuke
    the heresies and confusion of our time and we will have a
    period of peace.  

    Any of us who fears that God will not intervene is of little faith.


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    « Reply #10 on: November 04, 2013, 11:20:31 AM »
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    When I read the title of this thread, I had no idea what it meant:


    Todays Readings: 113  


    Now I see that the apostrophe is missing in "Today's" because the
    CI system always deletes certain characters in thread titles, and
    the apostrophe as rendered on the typical computer keyboard,
    with the key to the right of the semicolon key, is one of those
    that never show up.  But another one is the forward slash / that
    most people use to separate month from day when they write
    a date.  

    Therefore, perhaps the author of the thread had written the
    following, which the CI system changed:  


    Today's Readings:  11/3



    To circumvent this problem, the hyphen could be used instead
    because it does not get deleted:  


    11-3
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    « Reply #11 on: November 04, 2013, 11:59:55 AM »
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    Rom 13:8-10
     Brethren: Owe no man anything except to love on another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. For You shall not commit adultery. You shall not kill. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness. You shall not covet; and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no evil to a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.


    Matt 8:23-27
     At that time, Jesus got into a boat, and His disciples followed Him. And behold, there arose a great storm on the sea, so that the boat was covered by the waves; but He was asleep. So they came and woke Him, saying, Lord save us! we are perishing! But He said to them, Why are you fearful, O you of little faith? Then He arose and rebuked the wind and the sea, and there came a great calm. And the men marveled, saying, What manner of Man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey Him?


    Thoughts?  

    And for those of us who don't have a mass to attend, could you please share with us what your priest said during his sermon?


    The Epistle of St. Paul to the Romans, xiii. 11-14.
        Brethren: Knowing the season, that it is now the hour for us to rise from sleep. For now our salvation is nearer than when we believed. The night is passed, and the day is at hand. Let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and put on the armour of light. Let us walk honestly, as in the day: not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and impurities, not in contention and envy; but put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ.

        What is understood here by sleep?
        Sin, in which man, as if sunk in a torpor, no longer sees the light of the Gospel, no longer hears the warning of his conscience, neglects the means of salvation, and lives without care, until he awakes, alas! too late, as from a dream.

        What is understood by night and day?
        By night is to be understood ignorance, infidelity, and sin. The day represents faith, grace, and reconciliation with God.

        What are the works of darkness?
        All sin, especially that which is unknown to men, but seen and known by God, of Whose grace it deprives us.

        What is the armor of light?
        It consists in faith, hope, charity, and good works, the spiritual arms with which we have to overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil.

        What does it mean to put on the Lord Jesus Christ?
        It means that Christians should think, speak, and act like Jesus, adorning themselves by the imitation of Him as with precious garments.


    The Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ, According to St. Luke, xxi. 25-33.
        At that time Jesus said to His disciples: There shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, by reason of the confusion of the roaring of the sea and of the waves: men withering away for fear, and expectation of what shall come upon the whole world. For the powers of heaven shall be moved; and then they shall see the Son of man coming in a cloud, with great power and majesty. But when these things begin to come to pass, look up, and lift up your heads, because your redemption is at hand. And he spoke to them in a similitude: See the fig tree, and all the trees; when they now shoot forth their fruit, you know that summer is nigh. So you also, when you shall see these things come to pass, know that the kingdom of God is at hand. Amen, I say to you, this generation shall not pass away, till all things be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.

        Why does the Church cause this Gospel concerning the Last Judgment to be read to-day?
        To prepare our hearts by penance for the coming of Jesus as our judge.

        What signs shall precede the Last Judgment?
        The sun shall be darkened, the moon shall not give light, the stars shall fall from heaven; the heavens themselves shall pass away with a great noise, the elements shall melt with heat, and the earth with all that is in it shall be burned up. At the command of God the world shall be shaken to its centre; fearful tempests shall arise; the sea and waves shall roar, and wild struggle and destruction take the place of quiet and order. Men shall wither away with fear, not knowing whither to fly. Then shall appear the holy cross, the sign of the Son of man - terror to sinners who have hated it, a consolation to those who have loved it.

        How will the Last Judgment begin?
        At the command of God the angels, with the sound of the trumpet, shall summon all men to judgment (I. These. iv. 15). The bodies and souls of the dead shall be again united, and the wicked shall be separated from the righteous, the just on the right, the wicked on the left (St. Matt. xxv. 33). The angels and the devils will be present, and Christ Himself will appear in a bright cloud with such power and majesty that the wicked, for fear, will not be able to look at Him, but will say to the mountains, "Fall on us," and to the hills, "Cover us" (St. Luke xxiii. 30).

        Why will God hold a general and public judgment?
        1. That all may know how just He has been in the particular judgment of each one. 2. That justice may at last be rendered to the afflicted and persecuted, while the wicked who have oppressed the poor, the widow, the orphan, the religious, and yet have often passed for upright and devout persons, may be known in their real characters and be forever disgraced. 3. That Jesus Christ may complete His redemption, and openly triumph over His enemies, who shall see the glory of the Crucified, and tremble at His power.

        How will the Last Judgment proceed?
        The books will be opened, and from them all men will be judged; all their good and bad thoughts, words, and deeds, even the most secret, known only to God, will be revealed before the whole world, and according to their works men will be rewarded or be damned forever. The wicked "shall go into everlasting punishment, but the just into life everlasting" (St. Matt. xxv. 46).

    Exhortation.

        The Church, during the season of Advent, reminds thee O Christian, of the coming of Christ to judgment, that thou mayest with the more zeal apply thyself to profit by His first coming; for they only will be justified and glorified who have acknowledged and received Him as their Redeemer. Examine thyself, therefore, to-day, and during this week, whether thou hast believed in Him, loved Him, admitted Him into thy heart, and kept His holy commands. Begin at once penance and good works, that thou mayest with confidence await the judgment-day of the Lord.

    Aspiration.

        Thou art just, O Lord! and just is Thy judgment. Oh, penetrate my soul with holy fear, that I may be kept from evil deeds, and incited to good works. Would that I could say, with St. Jerome, "Whether I eat or drink, or whatever I do, it is as if I heard the awful summons of the trumpet, 'Ye dead, arise, and come to judgment!'"


    From Goffine's Devout Instructions on the Epistles and Gospels for the Sundays and Holy Days, 1896
    Omnes pro Christo

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    « Reply #12 on: November 04, 2013, 12:01:08 PM »
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    But actually, in reference to "today's readings," the date
    isn't the key but rather the liturgical day should be given,
    especially when the NovusOrdo three year cycle has
    entirely different readings, as usual, and as always (there
    might be one or two exceptions to this).  

    The Mass of "11-3-2013" is the 4th Sunday after Epiphany.

    Therefore, to be most helpful for readers, the thread title
    would be..

    "Today's Readings:  4th Sun. aft. Epiphany"

    ..or something like that.


    The post that precedes this is a case in point:  the readings
    there are from another Mass, but I'm not sure what.  It's not
    November 4th.  

    Romans, xiii. 11-14 and Luke xxi. 25 - 33 are not for any Mass
    in the traditional calendar for Sunday Nov. 3rd or Monday
    Nov. 4th.



    As for the apostrophe, some thread titles have them and other
    thread titles are conspicuously missing them, so maybe it's the
    operating system of the computer used to type them that makes
    that happen -- perhaps Linux or Safari uses a different code for
    apostrophes?  


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    « Reply #13 on: November 04, 2013, 12:19:07 PM »
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    Ah - HA!  I found it.  

    The post above (by JohnAnthonyMarie) has Epistle and Gospel from
    the First Sunday of Advent, which this year falls on December 1st.  
    That would be 12-1, or alternatively 1-12-13.  

    Hmm...... the only way that would be confused with 11-3, is when
    it's missing the hyphen (113), that is, when the month is omitted,
    as in 1-13, giving the first day (without a month) in the year 2013.  
    I'm not sure how that would happen.  

    This year following the 23rd Sunday after Pentecost, we have the
    4th Sunday after Epiphany (Nov. 3rd), followed by the 5th Sunday
    after Epiphany (Nov. 10th), followed by the 6th Sunday after
    Epiphany (Nov. 17th), which is followed by the 24th and Last
    Sunday after Pentecost (Nov. 24th), and THEN there is the first
    Sunday of Advent (Dec. 1st).

    The various possibilities of how many Sundays after Epiphany
    there are at the end of the year is depending on the phases of
    the moon for any given year, which determine the day of Easter
    in that year, because Easter is always the first Sunday following
    the first full moon of spring.

    There are reasons for that, most notably the fact that when the
    soldiers apprehended Our Lord in the Garden of Olives it was
    under the light of a full moon on Holy Thursday.  Consequently,
    there was an impossibility of any "eclipse of the sun" on Good
    Friday, which means that whenever you hear that the darkness
    that spread over the earth when Our Lord died was due to an
    eclipse, it is a lie of the devil.



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